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Hidden implication by meaning of no “awakening “?

Yes but, Go till, there is no “I” how can you know that there is such a thing as “states”? Knowledge of “states” comes from so called “l”. When there is no “I”, there is no “awakening”. ?

Knowledge of Solipsism, existence, or not existence and your parents comes from so called “I”. The biggest issue is belief of “I”. Enlightenment is dropping the “I”. So there is no problem too, do you see? Definitely. Whatever “you” “believe” and “experience “ thats “your truth”. However, enlightenment does not depend on personal experience nor belief, it is identical for everyone. Nothingness can not “be experienced”, can just “be”. Therefore identical for “everyone “ and doesn’t depend on experience or belief. Just go deeper. “You” will love it?❤️ As you see, you are contradicting yourself. Additionally, there is no such a thing as exist or not exist. Have a direct experience Brother.

You think, “you” have a “form” and in “universe” now? Do you think there is such a thing as colours, shapes, sounds, tastes or thoughts? Instead with naming and labeling the “ words”. Even saying to “words” to words, “thoughts “ to thoughts (because still naming and labeling happens)? These are not conversations brother, there is no such a thing as exist or non exist, life or death. How do you know these are conversations, who teach you that? Is it something you have learned or directly experienced? Have direct experience, never believe something and be stuck with something that you have learned! Go more deeper, believe me if “you” get what “I” mean by, your mind will be blown away to point that, you had never one? you realize your birth was just a thought as universe, mind, infinite, world. And you realize that, WE HAVE NEVER BORN. Thats what awakening is. You are “nothing” and is now. As always been, so called before birth, after death and now. Nothing has never happened. “You= Pure, empty consciousness= Nothingness “ has never even moved. ? go deeper “you” would love it. Much love to you ❤️ Peace!

Nothing is infinite, but at the same time your car. But infinite is not your car or your car is not infinite ? nothingness is beyond the infinite, it is all there is?

@Adamq8 infinite nothingness, infinite mind, makes you confuse it seems . ? Nothingness is “everything, your car, tree, pen, universe, world, infinite, including these sentences”. If everything is nothing, how can such a thing as everything or infinite? Therefore, there is no such a thing as everything, anything, or infinite. Just nothingness. Because if you consider as something or infinite, your car and pen can not be identical. Common point is thats makes them identical, because they are all nothing. Therefore , they are aint car, pen or infinite. Just “Nothing “.

“Consciousness and awareness” still comes from so called knowledge of “I”. Follow the many “I” brother.

If there is no “I” how can you “know” what is a “state”? ?

? makes it infinite states. Meanwhile there is no such a thing as “state “. Because, there is no such a thing as “I”. ?

@Skin-encapsulatedego psychedelics are great tools for someone to improve their current consciousness state and definitely important the changes of getting close to enlightenment. However, most dangerous thing with the psychedelics, thought process still goes on while “you” “experiencing”, because you and experiencing is a thought. And you can be trapped into some type of magnificent experiencing state, and rest of your life “you” will try to “reach at that state”. However, enlightenment collapsing all dualities, states, thoughts, experiences and belief of “I”.

It will last long as long as you think about it.

?Yes, definitely. but, Everything or anything is “nothing”. Therefore there is no such a thing as something or anything. Just “nothingness, pure and empty consciousness =YOU”. And you need to become “nothing “ with dropping, letting go and surrendering “everything”, “including the egoic self “. Thats what awakening is. Because “nothingness “ can not be “experienced” (still thought) can just “be”.

@Intraplanetary just read posts this topic. You can find the answer with details.

There is no tomorrow. There is no such a thing as “I”. The “monkey mind” has never existed. So if it doesn’t talk what is left? Do you think launch is a “launch”? How do you know it is a launch? Is it your direct experience or “launch” is a word that something you have learned, as “you”, as “death”?

According to so called language, everything “you” think is a “thought “. When you say “learning and thoughts”, you still name and label the “words”, even saying as “thoughts” to so called thoughts, “words” to so called words. There is no such a thing as thought, learning process, language, exists or not exist. Nothing has never began or existed. This before birth, after before big bang and after death. “Pure and empty consciousness , or nothingness “ (but no words can describe it, because they are still so called something). But after awakening, everything is nothing. Therefore there is no such a thing as something or everything , just nothing. Anything you so called know is something (including your birth = learning or knowledge), but THIS IS not knowing (“nothingness or pure and empty consciousness “ = YOU) as before birth. Thats why “you” don’t remember where were you before “birth”. When “you” realize that everything is “so called”, “you” realize nothing has ever happened, including “yourself “. “You” remember, know and can learn anything in the day, why do “you” meditate? Because, try to silent the mind in order to not know. ? thats why when “you” not know, you are “nothing”. Actually, you are already what you are, “your” so called learning or beliefs (first belief is an “I”) makes “you” so called human and in the universe. ? Thats what so called death is, according to so called duality, when “you” die, after that “you” cant think, learn or know of anything ( because “you” have a brain now, and it’s function is knowing, learning and thinking, and when “you” die, “you” wont have a brain) ? Just empty “your cup”. ”Die before you die”. Rumi All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain” Buddha

Anything you know since your “birth” (knowledge, colors, sensations, feelings, visuals) comes from “learning”. If you never learn that you are “you”, “human”, “exist” or even “learning “. Can you born? Or if you never learn what is feeling, can you be “aware” of them? For instance, feeling of anxiety come to surface, so called mind name and label as it as first “feeling” (as a thought, because thoughts process takes place), and second the naming and labeling feeling as “anxiety “( thought process takes place again). Additionally, so called “mind” is a thought too, which is naming and labeling the words (even saying “word” to so called words). If you dont think, nothing never happens.

?? there is just nothing, and it is me. You have never born. With so called learning you born and this is a universe. These are just thoughts. So called Thoughts create “you” and “your universe”. Thats what the “ so called illusion”is. Anything you know is “you have learned”. When you not know, you are before birth. You can read what Peter Raltson says above. That posts includes more detail.

@Adamq8 Just read it brother. You can find answer of your question with details.

Great! ?? Peace!

Enlightenment happens with dropping the “I”. After enlightenment, freedom is inevitable, which is priceless. If you mean happiness by that, yes totally agreed. ?

Including, As Peter Raltson says, what we perceive now is everything, thats the world. Because that’s everything that perceive. Thats a function of being organism, function of surviving in the world, which we create perception, so we can do that. But it is not absolutely true. And if you recall, you dont know how it is you began. Vs. but somehow we were ignorant in the beginning and we are still ignorant. We dont know anymore about what we are, what life and what existence is than we did in the beginning. All we done is, just learn about stuff. But we haven’t got a direct consciousness that what this is, what consciousness is, what existence is, what self is. So if we open up a possibly to that we could do that, that’s enlightenment. It is merely and only, it is not something fantastic, huge, mundane. It is of and has nothing to with the charts. Thats one of the problem, question and wondering trying to find answer about enlightenment, all is done in the same relative world. But enlightenment is absolute not relative. But when you say absolute, you say waowww, oh it is really big, it’s absolute ?? NO, it mean is just true, absolutely true, just the truth. So enlightenment is you is becoming directly conscious of whats true, what you are and what existence is. No more than that. Enlightenment is simply being where you already are! Peace!?

The main problem is, when you say word of “nothingness “ is still something or form, because you name and label the words and thoughts as saying “nothing”. But there is no such a thing as thought, form, formlessness nor words. There is just “nothing” no such a thing as something. And these are not words. How do you know that these are sentences? Now, is before birth and after death. You are already what you are just so called thought processes make “you” so called separated. But “you” have never began or start. The say that “you are already awaken” comes from this perspective. Do you think there is a body and you are inside of it? Even if if you think that way, when body so called dies, there is a still body, but where are you? There is no “life” nor “death”. But unfortunately “mind” can never comprehend this, because mind still within the thought process. Additionally, you can say why are you writing these sentences if nothing is happening, it is meaningless ? Because, there is no such a thing as meaning or meaningless, still a “thought “. But for you, meaning is still “real” or “exist”. Thats why questioning is inevitable. Nothing has ever existed and happened, thats nirvana. Papaji Just watch these 2 videos, might be helpful. Peace!

Thats ok my friend. Such as, “Nothing”, “nothingness “, “void”, “formlessness “, “emptiness “ or “pure consciousness “.

@Someone here there is just nothing brother. Anything that you have learned is a thought including word of the “thought “. There is no infinite, mind, universe vs. Anything learned is comes from so called “self”, even “you” learned “your” “self”. There is just nothing. There is no such a thing as something. Therefore, it is genuinely not knowing, which is just being as before birth. If you dont learn you never born. Now is death, before birth. “The ultimate truth is not even to think.” Buddha Saying that “become vegetable “, it is clear to see that still mind is operating. Operating mind still consider thoughts as “thoughts” (still naming and labeling). When your so called mind transforms thoughts are no longer thoughts. There is no individual to think the thoughts, thoughts are you, therefore no thoughts, no mind, and no thinking. Because when “you” think the thoughts (you is another thought), thoughts are thinking the thoughts. Because all is nothing, which is you. Additionally, if everything is nothing, therefore, there is no such a thing as something. “All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain” Buddha How do you know there is an intellect? Who teach you that? Is that them direct experience or something that they have learned? Intellect is still a thought that “you” have learned as “vegetable”. If you take the thoughts away, you will take away entire universe including “you”, “infinity “ and “vegetable “. Because infinite and vegetable is learned by “you” and “your” so “called mind”. @Claymoree @Someone here Kaivalya (कैवल्य), is the ultimate goal of Raja yogaand means "solitude", "detachment" or "isolation", a vrddhi-derivation from kevala "alone, isolated". It is the isolation of purusha from prakṛti, and liberation from rebirth, i.e., Moksha (although this is controversial due to the predominant view that it is impossible to separate/isolate purusha from prakrati, and vice versa). Kaivalya-Mukti is described in some Upanishads, such as Muktika and Kaivalya as the most superior form of Moksha which can grant liberation both within this life, as Jivanmukti, and after death, as Videhamukti, and is the essence of all Upanishads.[1] Wikipedia

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