James123

Definitely. Even, so called God or creation / creating is the holding up of sense of existence. Much love brother ❤️

Anytime brother. Actually, no one can can explain what direct experience or present moment is, however I will do my best. As an example, concept of "so called before birth or deep sleep". Not the thinking of before birth or deep sleep, however before birth or deep sleep (İn that moment), there is no experience or non experiencing, belief, think, God, nothing, infinite, existence or non existence etc... That's what direct experience is, out of any charts.

As I said in the thread, "must let go or effortlessness". Even if one attach with word of "letting go, surrendering, effortlessness or actionless", implications of these words are still letting go 😊 therefore, one can not attach to these words or any words, when one simply let go, surrender or is effortless.

All I am saying is effortlessness is not an activity. Attachment with one word is a belief, therefore activity. Therefore, Believing in "there is no you" is an activity. However, If this is misdirection for you, I respect that. Much love. ❤️

So called, not even. I love you. 😘

This is a belief.

What i am trying to point out as saying giving meaning is as soon as one attached with the word. It can be any, God, nothing, existence, non existence, nothingness, human, life, etc...

@Sugarcoat why so called deep sleep with identical before birth? 😊

This is what giving meaning is. Because, believing in it. It is just a belief.

What experience isn't is, actually anything that you add meaning on it. When you say "thoughts" if you attached to meaning of it, it is not really experiencing in now. Because, it / meaning is something that so called has been "learned", which is the attachment to word of "learning".

I mean is, without past or future beliefs, attachments, thoughts, worries etc... what is really happening now is what we actually experiencing. I am writing to you. That's it. 😊

Or one can suffer a lot, and can not take it anymore. And let go. There was a Jewish girl in Nazi camp. One day, she completely realize that she will never be able to escape that camp and die there eventually, and completely let go of any anything / any expectations. That's when enlightenment is realized.

Look at him brother. From effortlessness how ripped he is 😂 Have fun man, don't judge. Enjoy the life ❤️ Everyone will realize the source either with psychical death or mind death sooner or later. However, real joy only lies within love.

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Yes. Therefore, action or effort is meaningless. And there is a gift within the effortlessness.

the end of mind chattering. That's it. Don't get in to fantasies. Much love.

when you say " I am writing to you" is an "experience", this is actually belongs to attachment because putting meaning on it (effort). Just, directly, "I am writing to you". That's it 😊

Truth has most precious gift, which is the only gift, Love. Because, burning with Love. Lost in it.

This actually "your" = "belief". Mental projection, which is like putting an a major wall as saying or believing in impossible or difficult etc... therefore your own projection or explanation to yourself. Just know this, when one looses everything, free to do anything.

Effortlessness, stillness, being or actionless is not an exercise. Completely opposite. Therefore, "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.". Love you.

It is just for help brother. Unfortunately, "post after post, keep explaining and explaining" is your assumption. (Which is the based on, when one thinks that these sentences are belongs to the self). Moment never judges, be curious. Just moves with Love, therefore, sharing, caring and helping is inevitable.

Because, end of mind chattering can not be explain, because, it is just blank, Being as before so called birth. Moreover, when mind chattering ends, any explanations or actions comes through with the moment not the mind. That's what so called deconstruction or transcending of the mind is.

Definitely not. There is no place for "you" in stillness or effortlessness. you or i is the action itself. Could you please give me an example of an action in order to be still or effortless?

Unfortunately, No. Because, Mind=Chattering=Any thoughts are identical. There is not a mind that chatters or chattering happens within the mind. Word of "mind" (as any other word) is chattering already.

If there is "person", it is "must" from them. you can use the word of "can". However, I do not see any other way.