James123

This is the most possible reason ( it is very hard for people to surrender everything that what they have, including daily emotions, feelings, future expectations, day dreaming, social status, satisfaction vs... “The one” really let go and surrender hisself or herself (which is called ego death or no self) for enlightenment. “The one” must lost everything since he/she gained since “birth”). No. Just telling to you don’t waste your time with thinking about others. Because, is no such a thing as “leo” or “you”. Not try to have a flexible mind, drop the mind.

@Kalki Avatar it is very hard for people to surrender everything that what they have, including daily emotions, feelings, future expectations, day dreaming, social status, satisfaction vs... Enlightenment is not a self improvement, it is a self destruction. “The one” really let go and surrender hisself or herself (which is called ego death or no self) for enlightenment. “The one” must lost everything since he/she gained since “birth”. Just don’t spend your time judging anyone, but learn and build your own “path”. It will be better for you.

Maybe.? after enlightenment, belief of “I” collapses. do you think that these are conversations? ? additionally, there is no person in the so called “bodies”. Go look at the mirror and think, can you see the thoughts? Where are you in the body?

After enlightenment, realization happens that this is not a universe, nor you have a body. There is no such a thing as “birth” or “person”. Enlightenment is realization of “I” was never born, began or exist. Now is before birth, so you didn’t go anywhere nor in universe ?

Realization of nothing has ever happened. You are already what you are, which is nothingness, which is not knowing as in the beginning. therefore nothingness can not be “experienced”, can just “be”.Anything that “you” “experienced” is an illusion.

Realization of Now is before birth and nothing has ever happened. “You” didn’t even move and never born. So called “birth” or “universe” happened only as a thought.

@StateOfMind contemplation is must. but enlightenment never cones through thinking. Mind must be dropped.

Yes brother. Nobody is here.

Yes i agree. Thoughts are illusion. You can say no thoughts or no mind. But, not knowing is more profound. Not knowing is what “being” is, same as before so called “birth”. When you not know, what is a thought? What is mind? What is attachment, death, or life? Nothingness can not be “experienced” (because “I” and “experiencing “ is still a thought) can just “be” ( being is just being, there is no question nor answer).

The “sense” is a still “thought “.

Yes. Now, “you” are collection of thoughts. Which is identification, naming, labeling and putting meaning on thoughts and words, even saying words to “words”, thoughts to “thoughts “ as “reincarnation “. You need a direct realization of who you really are. Which is enlightenment or direct realization. Only when you not know, you are what you are. Thats why you don’t remember before so called birth, thats what “being” is.

Definitely. After some time, if you keep observing, “you” realize that “observer” itself is a thought, as “reincarnation “. You are already what you are. ?. Just identification with so called thoughts makes you so called “separate “ (identification again with naming and labeling word of “separate” or “word”).

Just a thought. There is no such a thing as reincarnation, life nor death. You are already what you are. Just thought process makes it cloudy. Let the clouds go with surrendering the thoughts, most importantly belief of “I”.

“Physical body” is a thought itself, as “birth” and “death “. Now is before “birth”. “Your so called life” is just a thought process. Now is not knowing, as same as after “death” or before “birth”. When not knowing takes places, “you” get the answer.

“You” are just a thought process, instead of living creature. (“Living creature” is s thought again). @StateOfMind @Breakingthewall @Username There is no body. Enlightenment is realization of “birth “ is just a thought. “You” have never “born” nor have a “body”, just a thought process, not even. Because even saying thoughts yo “thoughts “ is naming, putting meaning and labeling the so called “words”.

When enlightenment happens, so called “mind” doesn’t come back. Because the so called “person” has never “born”.

@BipolarGrowth you can experience infinitY. However, anything that “you” “experience “ including “infinity “ is a still dream. Not enlightenment.

@Shunyata Ego is so called “belief of an I”. Willingly let go and surrender everything for truth. You are the “nothingness”. Ego is just a “thought “ as “life, not even. Life is suffering. Buddha

Nirvana or enlightenment is realization of nothing has never happened (birth, death, universe, infinite, life vs just happens within the process of thoughts, which is naming, labeling and putting meaning on the words and thoughts. Even saying thoughts to “thoughts “, words to “words”). Unfortunately, conversations quoted above is just the story of ego. Because, ego is alive (just a thought as a thought ), not You. ? There is no life nor death, you are already what you are. ? Additionally, do you guys think that these are conversations or words or you are alive and talking in forum? If answer is “yes”. It is because “you” “think”. ? Thats what so called “ego” and so called “self” is. ? There is no “you” nor “thinking” , Now is before birth. This is the Truth. Definitely ?✊ All is “nothingness”, which is You.

“You” can “experience “ infinity. Because i f you dont know what is infinite, how can you know that you have “experienced “ “infinity “. Many people experience nothingness with psychedelics, but because of the thought process still continues, you can never really really become nothingness. Nothingness can not be “experienced”, can just “be”. Because only when you “not know”, you can be nothing. And thats what the awakening is. Enlightenment is freedom, if you talking about bliss as freedom. Yes it is. Flawlessness, effortlessness. You are already what you are, instead of “you” are having “sex”, let go of the thought of “self”, and be the “sex”. 1000 times more feeling than as average person do. With an empty mind, be it directly. Because it is not “sex”, it is you (same goes for “love”).

Dont you think that these all knowledge comes from the “human”, (every word you know, every knowledge you have, including yourself as body and being in universe, exploring infinity or yourself as god vs..) ? The so called “human” learned what infinity, paradise, you and explorer is. If the “human” is just a thought, how can you trust or take granted the knowledge its has been learned (including word of “learning”)? If you are just yourself, is learning possible? Or what is possible or learning?

@Max1993 sure brother. ?

@Bodhitree god can not be experienced, learned, know, understand, felt, touched or sensed. With dropping everything (including “yourself”), can just “be”. as before so called “birth”.

Unfortunately, it is not lowest layer. Thats what nirvana is, enlightenment is. (There is no such a thing as “lowest “ or “highest “ “layer”.)

@Nate0068 small appreciations can make this world beautiful for you. Appreciate every moment what you have (which can increase the love within you). Try to be away from toxic people, be with people who really makes you happy. Dont get lost within the mind and negative emotions. If you cant overcome, go to doctor.