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@Arik Thanks!!! Before doing meditation I was in a mental institution for a week. I know what you are talking about! Thanks for sharing!

@Mal That what you are saying is life changing. I needed that! Thanks!

Thanks @Ayla !!!!

That's right, but it's just a thought that comes to mind. There are thoughts also about meditating in silence to calm thoughts. Confusion thoughts. More meditation thoughts? Thoughts about feeling trapped in mind.

Maybe is empty in "there" or at least "spacious" hehehehe

Why are we talking about all these? Nothing has a form, form is empty... this forum is emptiness Enjoy the nothingness of the forum Oooooohhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Wait there!!! Wait there!!! You said "No point..." Now you say "there's a point..." You keep changing your mind, You don't exist!!!!!! Maybe you crossed "The Gateless Gate" ...

I understand everything but I cannot SEE. Frustration is there, but ego is making like if he's not interested. Thoughts are there, and they seem to make sense... and everything is crazy

@Ayla You are right, there's nothing.

How can be Leo manipulating us if he doesn't exist????

I want to be manipulated!!! Please, manipulate me!

We are not living a life, "Life is Living us"

The point is we all are being manipulated, we have to choose wisely about who do we want to manipulate us.

Jesus was crucified, so maybe @Leo Gura should do that, and become a beggar ... and give free courses of self realization.

I'm not here...

@DizIzMikey I want to lose my mind too! How can I achieve that???

Let's call @charlie2dogs to clarify that point. He's a really good guy.

No... so... what's your point?

@Orange it is better no make any idea about that "higher being". It's in fact your real self. But, it cannot be named, we need to empty ourselves of all our preconceived ideas to see it. But I don't talk from experience. Charlie can explain that better than me. Make your mind more quiet through meditation, that helps to begin to walk the "path" to awakening or self-realization

Cool @charlie2dogs I understand. I really talk about him like consciousness and reality, but I like to know others opinions. I used to be very religious until I saw the "light".

@charlie2dogs don't you think that's just a "label" ? Some people call it God, others Consciousness, another one nature. I try not to label it, but always my idea of the "God of the Bible" was as consciousness. Even Jesus said, "we are Gods" so, we are Consciousness. I feel that it doesn't matter how we call it, if our idea is aligned with truth.

@Orange Struggle doesn't exists, you make it real when you get attached to your identity and it's the way nature has to make you grow spiritually. But there's no struggle, we see it as struggle when we are unconscious. You think that you are the thinker of thoughts. You aren't, thoughts are there and you get attached to them. The thought that reality is struggle is false, you are getting attached to it. Let it go. Mindful meditation can be of help, check Leo's videos about mindful meditation and you will live in the now without getting attached to false thoughts, and to the false identity as a result.

Yup... what make you think it isn't?

@DizIzMikey In fact you will never lose it, you will need it still to be in society and stuff, but it is good to understand what it is, so you won't be involved in drama and stories, you will know your real identity, that is much powerful that the ego-identity. Think about it!