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DT Suzuki

I agree with you about meditating everyday... this is his video. I think is the only one he posted. He has a website where he sells a book. But I found that video very interesting, the book you can read it online free, I didn't read yet... http://www.hauntedpress.net/

It's very interesting @Prabhaker he says something similar of what you said, not directly but you can get that idea. That Jesus got enlightenment at the cross, because when he says he doesn't want to take "the cup" it was his ego fighting against total annihilation. Steven Norquist says that enlightenment is something that not everyone wants, he suggest that if you are not sure, better stay at home with your family and just live your life.

@Prabhaker Did you watch Steven Norquist video? Specially the comments at the end, the Q&A part.

@Prabhaker You said it very well... it "seems"... we don't really know.

Leo helped me a lot in a variety of points. Mostly he helped me to understand that truth is in reality not in thoughts. There are things that I don't completely agree with him, but it's all good. We are different, so we have our own experiences and influences. That's normal. Raly has also very good points, I learned from him and from everyone. And Emerald is also a good teacher, she has solid points and the most important thing. All are very honest. And this post is getting very helpful. ?

You can share the experience someday... if you feel like it.

No one understands anything.

I wonder if that guy is really enlightened if he got "angry" because of that...

Lmao!

Self annihilation

Yes, I agree with that! Are all of you listening guys? Drop everything!!!!

Buddha says that the root of all suffering is our craving for something. Maybe we crave for knowledge, we want to know... that's our craving. The ego is sneaky. But you are good if you don't trust yourself, that's a good thing. And everything about enlightenment, the paradoxes, etc... is hilarious hehehe...

I think about that too very often, and I think that in some way nature uses our ego to make us "want" enlightenment. We want it for the wrong reasons, like we want a car or a house... now we want enlightenment hehehe... it is better than when we wanted material things, but it is something "we" want... and the idea of "we" doesn't exists. But I think there's some truth on that, to the idea of our ego wanting enlightenment. That's how nature or reality works. Maybe expanding consciousness. You must reach to a point where the only thing you want is to be enlightened, and when you are there... you have to drop that desire too. And you will be enlightened. In my opinion.

That's why Nisagardatta Maharaj always write on his books that if you find any contradiction it is in the words, because words don't represent truth. We can be talking here for years and years and we will be talking about the same thing (maybe) thinking that we are talking about different stuff. Who knows? We only listen to ourselves or to our understanding of what others are trying to convey. "As you are about to go through this book, please note that nothing you are about to read is true. It is merely words which represent things which do not exist." ---- Stephen H. Wolinsky, PhD (Preface to The Zen of Advaita by Nisagardatta Maharaj)

That was helpful @100rockets thanks!

One more here

The only thing that has helped me a lot to stop feeling identified with my thought and reacting to everything was the mindful meditation.

Peace

Well, I don't know that. If you want to know my opinion, I don't think that's what happens when you are enlightened. But I can be wrong. In my opinion, when you are enlightened you see what true and real in this dimension, in your actual experience. It's not possible to translate it because we are distorting reality with our concepts and thoughts. What I'm saying to you, it is impossible that you know exactly what I am meaning, because the words and everything has a different meaning for me than for you. When someone enlightened talks, he gives the words a much more deep meaning that the one that we can grasp. Because we are not mature spiritually to understand it or accept it. When I talk to you, you are listening to yourself, not me. Because you are filtering everything I say from your point of view, from your understanding and the same happen to me. I must be losing some of the deep meaning of your words... I am just listening to my self in reality... Sometimes you read something, and after some years you read it again and you understand it in a different level, that's why we can't grasp sometimes the truth, but I don't think is about a matter of dimensions.

I don't see negativity in what they say. I see genuine questions. When people walk in the way of enlightenment (I know there's no way, just to explain what I am trying to say) when you realize the true nature of things you can have feelings like that. It's normal, not negative. Negative is a concept, there's no one to be negative. Perception happens and one see it as negative others positive and others see them neutral. At the end you will realize that this is reality, reality is that way. Very real on one side and it can seem unreal on the other. That's our not acceptance of reality as is, that's why we can feel "depressed" sometimes or confused. I think Ekhart Tolle explain it here better than me: https://www.eckharttolle.com/newsletter/october-2011 "It can happen if something happens that you can’t explain away anymore, some disaster which seems to invalidate the meaning that your life had before. Really what has collapsed then is the whole conceptual framework for your life, the meaning that your mind had given it. So that results in a dark place. But people have gone into that, and then there is the possibility that you emerge out of that into a transformed state of consciousness. Life has meaning again, but it’s no longer a conceptual meaning that you can necessarily explain. Quite often it’s from there that people awaken out of their conceptual sense of reality, which has collapsed."

Maybe it's good for him, you don't have to apply everything he says. :-)

Nothing to do or say.

Maybe it was an insight. Check the section where it says Visuals: http://integrateddaniel.info/the-arising-and-passing-away/

http://www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB+5.+Dissolution,+Entrance+to+the+Dark+Night