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Awesome, I totally agree with that. Hard to explain to unconscious people, right?

Since it is God's nature not to be like anyone, we have to come to the state of being nothing in order to enter into the same nature that He is. [German sermon 7, trans M.O’C. Walshe] --- Meister Eckhart

And what was your conclusion? Just curiosity

@SBB4746 When I said without a purpose, I was meaning without a "you" doing "something". I don't find words to explain that better. Any way "we" try too explain how to do it, it will be wrong. Everything we think "it is" ... "it is not" Words are just pointers

That's the problem, that God cannot be named. Christians call it God, but if you read the Bible you will see that Jews used to say that he cannot be named and that he had thousands of names. We have to use a name and to get an idea of what is "Reality" or "God", the problem is that the idea then becomes the interpretation of every different person about what they think God is, so God will become different depending on their belief and their level of awakening. That's why I am Christian, but I don't follow the common Christianity. I think Jesus is misunderstood, even by his disciples. Jesus never said he was God himself, he always said "Me and God are one". That's different. That's like Buddha saying "I am one with reality". It's very hard to explain, because you need to know a lot about different religions and see the common idea on them. The most common idea is to kill your ego so consciousness arises, like a Christian would say "Deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me." That "me" that Jesus was referring too was Christ that is Christ Consciousness. Jesus becomes "God" when he was JesusChrist, the union with God. If you read the Mystics Christians you will see that they were referring to this same thing, but of course they were punished by the traditional church, they were accused of heresy, like Meister Eckhart, St. John of the Cross and many more that were silenced by the Catholic Church, mostly....

I agree. @Svartsaft That's why most masters say that you have to meditate without a purpose, just observe and let go attachments, even the attachment of being enlightened, you can find that mostly on Zen traditions. http://www.artedojo.com/zazen.htm

That's true, but you know why is true? Because there's no one to get enlightened. That's the trap. The problem is that we don't really accept anything, because there's no you to accept anything. Meditation the only thing it does is awaken your inner self (higher self, consciousness, true nature, buddha nature, Christ, whatever you wanna call it) and takes over you and you really act from your true nature accepting what is and flowing with it. Until you don't understand that this idea of a "you", that "you" think exists, that "you" who wants to meditate to get better, that "you" who is tired of meditating because there's no point, that idea of "you"... doesn't exist. It doesn't matter what kind of "you" you believe there's is, the problem is you still talking from you ego perspective, you, me, them, us... Accepting what is means accepting no-self, because there's no self, no you no me no nothing, just nature manifesting by itself.

I think this can be of help, mostly to those who are Christians. I think this are the true teachings of Jesus, not what we are taught in Churches.

Did you sent a message to Leo? I think he can do it. Here they are talking about that on the forum that Leo has for actualized.org. That's the forum of the company that installed Leo's software or the software that Leo has installed. It seems that it is possible to delete completely the account but you have to ask Leo or an administrator. Check the last post. https://invisionpower.com/forums/topic/151969-user-option-to-delete-his-own-account/

I'm pretty sure that this is a problem of programming, some cms doesn't have the option to remove your information so you have to hire a programmer to add that feature. I have that problem not only on forums, when you give information to facebook for example. They don't delete it. It's there, if you sign in again with them you recover everything you thought that you "deleted". That's a trap of the intertubes!!! :-P

DT Suzuki

I agree with you about meditating everyday... this is his video. I think is the only one he posted. He has a website where he sells a book. But I found that video very interesting, the book you can read it online free, I didn't read yet... http://www.hauntedpress.net/

It's very interesting @Prabhaker he says something similar of what you said, not directly but you can get that idea. That Jesus got enlightenment at the cross, because when he says he doesn't want to take "the cup" it was his ego fighting against total annihilation. Steven Norquist says that enlightenment is something that not everyone wants, he suggest that if you are not sure, better stay at home with your family and just live your life.

@Prabhaker Did you watch Steven Norquist video? Specially the comments at the end, the Q&A part.

@Prabhaker You said it very well... it "seems"... we don't really know.

Leo helped me a lot in a variety of points. Mostly he helped me to understand that truth is in reality not in thoughts. There are things that I don't completely agree with him, but it's all good. We are different, so we have our own experiences and influences. That's normal. Raly has also very good points, I learned from him and from everyone. And Emerald is also a good teacher, she has solid points and the most important thing. All are very honest. And this post is getting very helpful. ?

You can share the experience someday... if you feel like it.

No one understands anything.

I wonder if that guy is really enlightened if he got "angry" because of that...

Lmao!

Self annihilation

Yes, I agree with that! Are all of you listening guys? Drop everything!!!!

Buddha says that the root of all suffering is our craving for something. Maybe we crave for knowledge, we want to know... that's our craving. The ego is sneaky. But you are good if you don't trust yourself, that's a good thing. And everything about enlightenment, the paradoxes, etc... is hilarious hehehe...