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@Aware I feel that true love is found on no-self, or I think is better to call it no-ego. In some chats/posts here I was talking also about a true self, and some users told me I was deluded because there's really nothing. How can you say that intelligence is nothing? We are nothing, our lower self is nothing, but the true self is everything.

@Aware Thanks! I really appreciate your comments! I will meditate on all this.

That's awesome aware. I think I was beginning to understand some parts of it. For example, when you talked about the tree just being a tree. I thought the same thing, the difference is we are aware. But I was feeling that our bodies have something that is capable of perceive that awareness. And animals also are a bit aware, but in a lower level. Right?

To be honest I don't know what enlightenment is and I have no idea why I wrote it anyway. I think it was my ego trying to show he is so "smart". But what I was trying to say was in the first part of my post, that it is possible to have a true experience or a fake one. Sorry!!!

Thanks @aware for the post. Very valuable. I appreciate it a lot. I understand parts of what you are talking because I read a book from the implicate technology center in UK. http://theimplicatetechnologycentre.co.uk/ They published two books with the experiences of enlightenment that they had and wanted to share, and there I learned about the force that reality makes on us and how does it work to make us become enlightened by surrendering to reality. Right now I am beginning to notice how my true self does everything, and that what I thought I was does nothing, it has no power. But sometimes I identify still with the ego, some others with my true self. I see how my body is moved by itself, no one is doing anything. It just happens and it is guided by all those streams you were talking about. But I am still seeking, thanks for sharing again!

I think if your ego believes something, it can happen that you can have a kind of "mystic" experience that can be related to your beliefs/religion/etc.... That's why we have to take the experiences as that, just experiences. Say thanks and continue your path. "Experiences will only lead you to more experiences" (I don't remember the author) :-P Enlightenment is not an experience, it's a shift in consciousness.

It's possible, but I am Christian and I had an epiphany that it was very similar to what Leo described. And I saw or understood things in a way that goes very against the beliefs of the Church. I still consider myself Christian, but I had to go to the mystic christian experiences to understand what was happening to my ego.

@Aware You know this game can't be understood by logic or reasoning. Why don't you share how did you achieved it or tell us your experience so we can take some pointer to get unstuck in this life game? Thanks for your post, it's good to be constantly defying our "logic".

So true... It's not you who is scared, because there's no you

When that happens I always remember "The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao"

Sam Harris is awesome, I like a lot of his stuff. He helped me to understand free will (that we don't have really free will). But... Lol... after the but comes the axe. He thinks that there's something objetive out there, that you can see objectively and there's not such a thing. We can't see objectively, that why direct experience is Key. You can't find the truth if you think that everything out there is true. We can't perceive truth, we have to experience. But, is my subjective opinion. Lol

Sorry, I made I mistake I should have written "Try to do what YOU want to do..." Not "I" Lol

@Aleksandar I struggle with your problem everyday too. My solution was doing what zen monks do. Try to do what I want to do with total awareness. Focusing on the task and doing it without thinking other thing. I think the key is focus. The mind wants to focus on other stuff more "fun" and distract us. It takes time, but it can be done. I am seeing improvements. I am not going to tell you that is easy, but if you continue doing it you will see the fruits. There's an article about that, how Zen monks find interesting cleaning the temple, cooking and doing the daily chores. http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/home/what-buddhists-can-teach-us-about-household-chores

I think that judging is like labeling, you are seeing what you want to see, not reality.

@Aware Sounds good to me hehehe...

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/post-vr-sadness/511232/?utm_source=atltw Maybe we are evolving to a point where technology will help us to rise our consciousness? What do you think? Here I post some parts of the article, but you can read it complete on the link above. "When Tobias van Schneider slips on a virtual reality headset to play Google’s Tilt Brush, he becomes a god. His fingertips become a fiery paintbrush in the sky. A flick of the wrist rotates the clouds. He can jump effortlessly from one world that he created to another. When the headset comes off, though, it’s back to a dreary reality. And lately van Schneider has been noticing some unsettling lingering effects. “What stays is a strange feeling of sadness and disappointment when participating in the real world, usually on the same day,” he wrote on the blogging platform Medium last month. “The sky seems less colorful and it just feels like I’m missing the ‘magic’ (for the lack of a better word). … I feel deeply disturbed and often end up just sitting there, staring at a wall.”

@Barna Maybe you are close to enlightenment. It's just a matter of time. I can't give you an advice in that situation hehehe... From my perspective it feels like you are already enlightened, but I don't understand why you still don't feel like it.

@Aware Maybe that helps... hehehe... but people will begin to ask? What's enlightenment? A new ice cream flavor???

That's what I was trying to explain... thanks @aware Exactly, I was just wondering if some change can happen from that technology... but there's a big chance that nothing change indeed, I agree.

I would suggest to try to observe your thoughts as much as you can and create a separation from them and the "observer". The more distance there's between your thoughts and the observer or awareness the less possibilities of getting involved in your thoughts thinking that they are you. Try to observe the thoughts as if they are not yours (they are not in reality so... ) :-)

@Neo Governments are as sleep as most of the population. Anyway the experience can help only if you are prepared. If you are not, it can be worst. You can end in a hospital thinking you went crazy.

That's the Key... the disappointment is needed!!!! Once you see that "you" can't do nothing... total surrender comes. And with total surrender maybe enlightenment... who knows? The problem is that people needs training, practice. Otherwise their ego will send them to a big depression before letting enlightenment happen. The ego prefer to destroy us in order to keep him leaving. It's pure evil.

Lol... Omg... I'll do it. I let you know what happens. Or better said, if nothing happens. :-P Before enlightenment Chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment Chop wood and carry water

Thank you for posting, very interesting to share our experiences.