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I didn't say that you were one.

But God is inside you too, isn't it?

I think you are here for a reason Andrea. Search very deeply inside you for the answer.

I'm on my cell phone. I couldn't delete those mentions. Sorry about that. Ok... What you and your wife realized is very good. Church is all that and much more. They have become demon lovers, not Christ lovers. That's true. But let me tell you something. There's unbiblical stuff of course. But not in the way that you are imagining. The problem is that they don't follow the Bible because they don't understand. They interpret what is told in the Bible wrong. Did you listen to Alan Watts? He was a Episcopal priest. Then he studied theology. And finally Zen. He has a lot of wisdom. But you need to be open to understand that what he says is very biblical. The actual interpretation by any Christian Church is distorted by the Ego/Devil

If I eat bananas will I become enlightened? ?

Love is in the air

@Inliytened1 Ok... Cool. :-)

@Inliytened1 I got it now, he was saying he was depressed after enlightenment. Right? That's a sign he is not.

Oh, I remember that thread. I saw the beginning of it.... I'm going to check how it finished. It's good to know when someone is pushing an "agenda".

Ok, I will check it. I never saw a non-dual war.

Damn! I missed that one!

Lol @zeroISinfinity

You are not making sense, you are repeating what the "Churches" taught you and what is mainstream. Think for yourself if what the doctrine that is taught in mainstream churches is Ok. Don't be afraid to challenge the authorities in the church. Like Jesus challenged the authorities in the synagogues and the pharisees.

@ZeroInfinity I am "new age" now... Now @Soul-lover 2020 confuses "new age" with seeing what is true. Only through direct experience you will began to be awaken. Not through the dogma of the church, that you believe without questioning. There's a lot of Christians that know that, like St John of the Cross, Meister Eckhart and others, but they are banned from the Church, even they considered them heretics. I was also an evangelical Christian, and let me tell you that Luther brought more devil than good to the church. It's too long to explain here, but for trying to find the truth on something written thousands years ago, and on top of that being interpreted differently for thousands of different "Churches of Christ" is crazy. Happy searching for you too Andrea!

You don't understand... you are saying that when you say that we are separated from God.

@Inliytened1 hahaha

Jesus knew he and God were one. Like you are one with God too. You only have to realize that fact. That's why he said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." John 14:20 He didn't say, you will become one... he said you will realize. It's something that you are but now because of the trickery of the devil you cannot see. It's true, they were witnesses of Jesus being raised from the dead. That's true... but that fact doesn't have included that he died for our sins so we know can through him see God... all that BS was created by the church, to keep Jesus up there, far away from us. He is the only one! We can't be like him. When Jesus was very clear that we are one with God and with him. We all are ONE. If there's separated Elohim, how can you say that God is infinite? If God is infinite, then it is not possible to be two Elohims. Because he won't be infinite anymore. If there's one soul that is you separated from God, that means that God is not infinite, because you are not included in him. You are saying that God is not omnipresent and infinite and that's blasphemy. :-) Jesus is the small I am... Jesus is the character, the son of Mary and Joseph, the carpenter. That is Jesus. When Jesus received the Holy Spirit (he become enlightened) he become JesusChrist. The Christ is the anointed one, that's Jesus when he recognized that he is the son of God and he is also God, because God and him are one. Like you and me. You only have to see. I repeat: "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." John 14:20 You have to believe in his words, when Jesus said "believe me" he wasn't saying "believe me that I am going to die so your sins will be forgiven because I will sacrifice myself so you that are separated from God can now be again with him through me" No, there's no part in the Bible where Jesus says that, only his disciples say that. You have to believe his words that we are Gods. Right now, that we think we are separated we are sons of the Devil, because the Devil is the one that took the place of God. Now we deny him because we say I AM this and that... and we always were One with God, until the original sin where we wanted to become like GOD, that this is what the Ego/Devil is doing now. Taking the place of God, that's why there's so much misery in the world. When we recognize again we are in God, and God in us and that we have to deny ourselves (The Devil) we will see the glory of God and we will be one with him too.

"“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. " In the context that's what he is saying... some things you cannot bear them now.

Jesus realized he was God. He and God were ONE. So, he began to say what he experienced. I AM the way, I AM the truth. No one comes to the father if it's not through ME. The disciples didn't understood what he was talking about, so they began to create a story about how sins will be forgiven, because he was crucified, so he was the ultimate sacrifice, etc... etc... You can realize that they didn't understand because in the last supper he asked them Who do you think I AM? And Thomas said, Show us the father. Jesus said if he was looking at him, how can you say "show us the father"? If Jesus was in the father and the father in him? Jesus cames from the word Je suis that means I AM All Jesus messages is for us, that we can be like him, not that he is the only one that is the son of God.

Jesus also said ""I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear." John 16:12

It's not irony, it's true. It's normal that the "ego" will feel depressed. He is going to die. It's ego backslash. Just focus on awareness that is permanent, depression is impermanent. It will pass and awareness remains.

Try reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It's free in archive.org