Aakash

i guess ill wait a couple more years

I find it helpful to understand why your actually here, are you here to learn about dualistic learning, or actually find the absolute, this can only be done through practice. But dualistic learning is also important and very practical to your life, you still have to live dualistically until you become enlightened.

its a tricky one, but it will be decided by consciousness, underneath everything as more conscious people vote for more conscious people as a rule of thumb and this is why life is always becoming more conscious, its exactly like the big bang but its represented as consciousness through out society, hence you can't bag on an enligthened person really because just their presence is already adding consciusness to society. but we live in democracy and therefore nothing should change, people should vote for whichever idea is better, things are slowly making their ways to higher consciousness. Theres just an issue with transparency of the process, but i don't see anything wrong with the concept of democracy as it makes individuals responsible for their own actions. Anything that makes people responsible for their own actions is always a high consciousness move i would think. the problem is that leadership responsibilities are placed onto the party and the leadership is accountable, but they don't know what they're doing themselves, if they had an idea they would surely move towards it and this is where the paradox comes in the way to solve all issues in this world: enlightenment. but government shouldn't be the only way to change the world, we shouldn't forget that, there are many ways. we just need to create them as a whole for individuals to prosper and the whole of reality to symbiotically survive with the best concepts surviving. since thats all reality is at the end of the day the survival of concepts lol. zimme, the world is a dream :')

This is completely true, that leadership also needs to be centralised in power and as such the government is the most important part of the social society we live in today. As a symbiotic creatures we need our survivals outsourced for us to free mind space and use it on other matters. if we suggest a world without government, we would all have to cater for our own survival, thats fishing for meat, bartering one another, in fact it would actually be a step backwards. Effective leadership is suited to those individuals who understand the world better, its simple that if you are a person that understands the world in depth and you don't want to be a leader, this should not be allowed- it should be made a law that you become a leader in my opinion. Because this will benefit the whole as a result. This is where the idea of government comes in, its leaders who want to make the world a better place do you know when a lion is kept in a zoo his sense of survival is taken care and he loses his skills to hunt, thats exactly what happened in this day and age. We've lost touch with our hunting sense, except its in terms of something more mysterious, we've lost our hunt for the sacred and magical. hence we are currently lost in distraction in the 21st century in material wealth. which is why i said here on this forum, is unfortunately the best of a bad bunch lol. what i'm saying is i don't care if your enlightened and you've renounced the world, renounced all of reality. your basically essentially dead in societies eyes, therefore you should be leadings peoples mind into infinity by law, but again its only a relative law and my opinion. Its not like it matters in the absolute sense, the individual will do what they want anyway.

@Joseph Maynor I'M SO confused! what did i say that was airy-fairy i literally just told you exactly how it works, the mechanism behind it.

your really on this law of attraction theory huh, LAW OF ATTRACTION UNCENSORED behave in a particular way and reality will mirror you because you are creating your reality I.E say something in a nice way to people, ---> the nice sentence gets mirrored in the opposing person ---> your reality now becomes their reality ---> this will be their new reference point as a memory based creature ---> love gets trapped in their emotional body because they are a sense of self I.E saying something in a harmful way ---> the non-nice sentence gets mirrored in the opposing person ---> your reality does not become their reality --> their reality bcomes their own reality ---> unsymbiotic relationship ---> that point of reference becomes judgement implied to the person saying something harmful --> hatred gets trapped in their emotional body because they are a sense of self so yes your right it does work, now add in an authenticity factor Do i want reality to reflect back to me, something i want to see because i've said it in a nice way for people to accept what i'm saying [ sweet cultish talk] OR do i want reality to process naturally by instigating conscious warfare because i've said it in a truthful manner for people to not accept what i say, as the mirroring reality are not facing the same way. Allowing them to figure things out for themselves. [ reconstructing reality ] the law of attraction is about getting what you want, your loving something because you want them to be a particular way. Its about hunting out objectives and trying to reach it by any means. perfect for stage orange and hence its popular within the self help industry. as well as a good point to start introspecting. But i thought the crusade was much bigger than getting what we want, its about giving others the chance to get what they want, to be in touch with what they really want. to allow all to bask in the universal love and not the means of attracting love to your personal identity. The law of attraction can't be used at higher stages because your not trying to attract an external object into your own reality, your trying to change your own reality itself by questioning the grounds of its belief. in my opinion, it doesn't work anyway. its conscious conflict that allows for both parties to decide what they want for themselves, its sweet pillow talk that gets me in bed with a girl. we want every person in the world to be an independant unit, that Together survives as a whole functioning oneness. we don't want everyone getting what they want when it costs the whole! it must benefit both parties.

@Joseph Maynor do you ever consider that sometimes your viewpoint is too limited, i believe there will always be a trade off decision to be made, when aiming for what sort of society we want to see as basically the most advanced members of our species, if you consider us the best out of a bad bunch, it itself shows you how much work there is to lol, its actually poor! its a madting sadting, (translation: its amazingly shocking for it to be this way, but its sad its like this aswell), like lol, you really stress personal development work, but do you actually comprehend that ALL subject foundations are predicated on incorrect principality? to give the subject survival of itself, if you ever stressed those foundational stuctures, the whole structure breaks down.

I can’t believe we haven’t moved on from this ? it’s simple really a) Norbert no one can tell you what to do b) Leo can only attempt to stop someone spouting nonsense c) good government or ideal government is exactly what you did by stating anarchy, it’s simple the best state of affairs the government can reach d) can we continue the discussion properly lol

@Leo Gura i've waited years! to be able to have these kinds of talks with people, your content is specific and doesn't touch the surface level of 'conscious subjects' whether that be science, mathematics or others. you literally talk about the principals and fundamentals on which a subject is founded, which is the most important thing for you reaching your goal. BUT is there any way you could make a sub forum for conscious subjects, it would be good to expand peoples mind conscious videos of business, conscious videos of politcs etc ---- not that there are many but a forum is basically a compiling websites. Its like conspiracy theory but done the right way.

i've personally thought about most of these questions, the easiest response i can give to all of them simulataneously, is for you guys to adopt big picture thinking/ systems thinking to see the interconnectedness of the world. once the picture is developed add your own variables accordingly and simulate the results, as accurately as you can. kinda like a cascade effect, you have to know where the ripples will expand you can think of these as sort of consciousness zones is you'd like, its points where people get together to design current systems that make functionality of the whole (the big picture possible) for example, 1. don't apply your judgement to what your looking at 2. what is the thing actually happening that you can visibly see constantly happening 3. technology in privacy terms is about tracking, all data is tracked and therefore the only right thing to say is that it is okay with permission, the person is made aware of it by their own means and they should be more transparent about what cookies are for example so people know what they are. its simply not an erosion of rights, its just whats happening by a case of misunderstanding and inattentiveness currently the biggest problem in technology privacy is the changing of laws to stop independent news reporters from broadcasting their news as they state its only an opinion and not real validated news. So social media companies are coming together to clamp down on content producers. the larger issue is about monopolisation and conglomerates, being outside the laws of regulations by having too much power. you can blame the organisations, but its a simple rule of thumb to use, that if you were in that position you would do it too. This is how you take their perspective and work your way around understanding a topic from multiple perspectives FOX news is not actually spewing bullshit, they're reporting news , within their legal rights. its not their fault that they post low consciousness news and this is why independant news groups have appeared. its Legislature that companies regulate their framework to fit first and foremost. You see i didn't judge anything up until this point, once you've got a larger picture 4. you can start judging and interpreting what ever you like Now you can say, maybe fox news can start doing more consciousness news , but will this provide them viewers? NO the average attention span for a person watching TV at night is non exsistent, when your watching news, your not actually understanding whats happpening, your taking in partial knowledge and the article last one minute before the next one comes on, your quick judgement gets saved in your short term memory. This is the demonization you then spew to other people. One minute time frame is not enough to understand the dynamics of a system and so for you liberals out there, when you see democrats on tv news at 10 at night, you basically just hypnotising yourself with the sentence "democrats did XXXXXX action, they are bad" and then you say to yourself "okay now i can use this in my arsenal to attack democrats" this is if you don't know big picture thinking. so showing high consciousness stuff is simply not possible for them to survive as a company. They will use the fact they show posts about some positive things too, i.e a new drug thats come out to solve Y reason. so stopping independant outlets is bad because your enticing hypnosis essentially lol. But its way more complicated than that, i can't be asked to write it all out. basically my point is: you can actually answer any question yourself, that is not about spirituality, including spiral dynamics, you have it in you to answer it yourself, just when your taking the perspective, actually be in that persons shoe

I’m basically constructing my life. I feel a stuck cog in a machine that when I receive the answer it’s like lubrication for the cog and will get things into place

@winterknight i had an Epiphany today, since i finally decided how i wanted to help humanity, i finally recieved some clarity. however i quickly realised even if i achieved this goal i wouldn't be happy. even if i lived the best life i could think of it wouldnt have made a difference Does this mean that enlightenment is really about pleasure and pain. that one can never be happy if he identifies with either or thinks that he will be happy in the future is this also why enlightened people dont feel like changing things in physical reality. they don't see it as an issue because theyre at piece?

Jheeeze that’s what I like to see etherial cat! Questions about politics not related to left vs right! Question getting to the root of how politics work

@Norbert Lennartz Again this is exactly where leo's theory falls flat on its face, that no other enlightened person has said that life is maximising good. if you don't buy into this then what you've stated is infact utopia yes. i would still bet my money on leo being right from a conceptual point of view, from examples i've contemplated myself from society and the nature of surival, but i'm not sure. in an ideal society there will be no need for stealing and criminals, because all will be following their passions, organised crime would not be needed. The things that are popular today, will not be popular in the future. there are always extremes and if someone is honest about themselves and they love killing then even that can be done in an organised fashion. You could pair a killer up with a person who literally loves being cut, those people we call psychopaths. But if what leo says is true, then even this will be routed out eventually. FINALLY YOU SPEAK SOME FUCKING SENSE. THANK YOU, I WAS GOING TO GO DINNER WITH A BITTER TASTE IN MY MOUTH FROM BEING TRIGGERED, BUT NOW I'M HAPPY AND GLAD I'M SPEAKING TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. also people don't know how to create a society, because they're not aware they are creating their own reality literally, if they knew this- everything would change. you could no longer blame the person next to you for your own problems that includes you yourself not knowing how to create a great society, this will cause intraspections and from the fire of imaginiation, this problem will sort itself out. Leo is only a trigger as any great philosopher is, philosophers create NEW CONCEPTS from which to predicate connecting duality concepts will emerge Thanks you made me a happy person, please do continue with your point and how you think this can be done, even if you have to use liberatarian principals! i feel i could learn something from you

@Norbert Lennartz You got me hella triggered after sending that link LOL, The reason you don't see the utopia government is because you won't be around to see it in your lifetime, so you can't envision it. its the single thing i hate the most about people, they lack imagination The dream will live on in the youth to create a utopia, while you sit around in your life eating bread and debating how your dynamic of being APOLITICAL is going to create a better government and passing off the buck to other people. This is why i dislike how enlightened people view the world, i don't care if its peaceful and blissful to you. You know everything about the world, fucking do something about showing people general things. Don't teach them non duality, teach them the foundations of their politics and their beliefs its sad to see man your probably just as smart as einstein and brave as ghandi! its not your fault society fucked you and fucked us all, i saw my friends potential and expectations of living a good life turn into drinking and smoking. They basically had their imagination robbed, but i don't blame you, i actually sympathise. it just goes to prove my point that people don't understand that politics is about creating laws and creating the reality that we see today. WERE literally creating the very concepts that we are living under. once you understand this, youll realise how crazy the life were living now is. were each concept holds equal value, so why does some concepts last longer more than others when it goes to war with others? well i've not become conscious of this, but according to leo's principals its because reality is maximising the goodness of every duality in reality. so were talking about bringing our CONSTRUCTED laws to mirror RELATIVELY balanced laws in the big pictures.

@Norbert Lennartz Thank you, for making me waste my time replying to you. You were basically straight up trolling in my eyes Wheres the tension, anyways i've given up with you lol, you basically validating yourself that you know how to run society via a post that can literally be read as "i told leo to think about politcs" lol.

@Norbert Lennartz my apologies, it was me who misunderstood. its not wrong to want freedom for all, its simply put- not possible to break down structures by screaming free the mandem stuck in prison, the ideal society will not need protests and acts of extreme liberalism to solve issues. Yes its true that individuals do not listen within government, but there hasn't ever been in history a cooperative effort to listen to both side of the arguments, instead of pushing both sides of the ideology onto individuals such as yourself using sponsorship money from powerful investors and basically brainwashing techniques through internet AI technology to get support and remain in power. anyways i can't articulate my thoughts about the whole of this topic, just know that its okay to be liberal just realise that everything has its limits

@Norbert Lennartz you've simply outstanded me how did you take everything in my post and manage to respond to the single sentence that has no relevance #NORBERT I wanted to know your intentions so i could reply appropriately, in stead of calling you out for being a liberal as you feel like that as happened.

@Norbert Lennartz unfortunately, this does not trigger me in any way. I think your actually believe this stuff yourself and thats why your here, otherwis you wouldn't even be writing this. Instead why don't you tell us, what reaction you were hoping to get from us and lets go from there were you expecting us to be angry or confrontational to your posts? also who's perspective are you speaking from when you deem the term "i" is it from the absolute god's perspective or Norberts perspective My official response to you is: Take a sword and kill god yourself, AS nitzche once said "GOD IS DEAD, WE HAVE KILLED HIM", you should live as a materialist for a while and not a self actualiser

These are all viable suggestions, however, I honestly find these fruitless in the short term to be as effective in the long term as you think, there is only one thing that matters to me, more than anything else is money. a) how do we change the concept of "money" Currently the idea of digital money was great and the banking system gave the funds to lead countless revolutions AND wars lol. Its gone a bit over the top as now its inflated to a position where its pointless and is causing most of the survival issues you see today, the rest of the change is changing human psychee and ideology which is a completly different ball park Getting back to the original topic i'm interested in how you liberals and conservatives in this thread can tell me a solution to this problem? essentially what other way can anyone think of from their perspective that is not "monetary or fiscal policy related"? Looked up INTP, sounds about right from a quick glance. I sound abit like this (not alot ) and gravitate kindly towards people like this, i would classify einstein also in this category. I'm was originally only interested in all this work to make a million pounds via entrepreneurship and at the same time move society forward if i could. just like you are only interested in it for personal development reasons. None of us are in it for the actual work itself lol which is why im so happy i'm not digging my head into 10000000 books unlike leo.

@SerpaeTetra too be honest, he’s better off as a philosopher, that’s exactly perfect. It’s philisophers through history that set presedence for the society we know now. The only issue back in the olden days was philosophy was very deep and intellectual. Not many people had the education standards then to understand and therefore the knowledge of philosophy was only used by someone of aristocrat status, kings would have people interpret it to him by specialist and would act accordingly. Well some anyway, most were barbaric and ego driven. As conscious Action really started in Greece where Alexander the Great allowed for groups to keep their culture. The problem was those who did use the philosophy at that given time never saw major changes because mankind was in such a survival state. The average man had no use for philosophy until this day and age. Where money supply is booming and survival needs have been taken care of by society. Giving people time to actually reflect on metaphysical questions. So therefore I conclude although Leo’s efforts will be in vain, in his lifetime. Just like all the philosophers before him. It will hit mainstream education in many MANY years to come. As a result, ironically, it’s a job well suited towards him. I too, would have done exactly what he is doing, as I’ve told him before and put things together for mainstream society. I contemplated all this stuff way before I knew about actualised.org however after he made the philosophers quote today. I realised my particular ego was always set on action. To reap rewards as well as inspire people. But it’s best suited to what I want ironically. I want to be the guy to go on Fox News for example and say on national tv your all living a lie, I didn’t want to be the guy in the background. This is why I thanked Leo, because he basically saved me 80 years of my life having to research all of this stuff. Watch out Fox News, imma coming for ya claart blud.

@Leo Gura alright yeah that makes sense, thanks I needed that. I guess it comes with time when you see the ego as less of a bad thing and more of a part of life for the diverisity of duality to survive and be noticed. I know what to do now. I have my life purpose and i should start with your book list and the books about cult dynamics.

@Leo Gura yeah I was thinking so big picture, I didn’t even consider that. Yeah lol, that would actually be a good place to start lol. This is why I think the ego is also a good thing, it makes people passionate about a certain duality to dive into and apply to real life. Ofcourse it’s toxic after some point. Lol I could apply that same thinking with changing the world as an ego , damned if I do, damned if I don’t as regret! Your actually the reason I didn’t go about doing it already and try changing the world! You basically implied that if your not enlightened you’ll start a cult and to me that translated to if your an ego, you’ll basically be raising a cult! Bruv your actually the reason why I’ve been confused for like 5 months about this now. Ever since you showed me my hood upbringing was cultish and that’s the reason I saw the world as evil from that perspective

Yup this is why I said it’s a good start, I didn’t say wipe out ideology because its simply not possible within the next 1000 or so years. It’s got to be a very small change to start a chain reaction. Education would obviously be a good choice but it’s impossible to teach religion in school education properly and therefore will automatically be rejected. For me, the only way to understand ideology is to understand enlightenment because the mind can’t cope without a reference point and therefore needs some sort of evidence grounded in truth. Again This statement itself is tailored to the truth. As you said what ever way pushes us in that direction. I agree, but this can not happen without getting rid of ideology first. Yeah I agree that would be good, 10 years may be abit too short for repeat evidence but yeah I see where your pointing too. This is why I have this moral dilemma about becoming enlightened before you help the world. You can’t know entirely if your pushing agendas in the right way without knowing what the truth is first as you’ll get lost in misconceptions, this is to have a serious impact. Otherwise what ever your doing is still good in a way just not as highly effective. It’s basically a game of what is the point of life. Will you be discussing this in your conscious politics video ?

@Leo Gura so what your basically saying is the only way to solve the problem is to first solve two issues to get over this hurdle 1) which of the two ideologies is currently the best via scientific investigation 2) wait until the limitations show of the chosen ideology, to show, to show that neither are the option. SHIT, well done, thats actually a pretty viable solution from my quick thinking and possible to do because all it needs is a change of presidency or prime minister. so it doesn't drastically change peoples fundamental beliefs yet. until the period of trail and the left or right idelolgy chosen has reached its limit. 30 minutes later after finishing listening to music edit: its a good starting point, better than the available options now. However, it is only the beginning phase. some starter questions would be: A) does every country need to choose the same ideology, or will some be operating in their normal ways ? B) is the measurement of productivity the same as we have now i.e economic measurements and political activity or will there need to be some new variables to take into consideration ? C) Does government turn completely, and work towards the goals of the entire ideology or are the opposite party able to follow their own agendas ? D) what happens to the legislation after the change, does the laws get restarted? what i do like is if it is a 10 year period, they are automatically elevated to their highest consciousness for that ideology because they need to win lol.