Aakash

i didn't get this, what do you mean they send messages? riding the ox backwards is basically recontextualising your knowledge, but in the form of absolutism, when your going towards the ox your getting rid of relative notions, but when your going backwards your making it back to something. And nirvana is basically the whole 20 step process of the ox completed. That is what it will mean to reach nirvana at any given point in time. awakening is each single step, kensho and mu is completing 10 of the steps forward. hence the zen term, chop wood fetch water and after enlightenment chop wood, fetch water because once your riding the ox backwards, your physical body is no longer in control of what its doing. You have entered god consciousness or became conscious of consciousness for the first time, this is basically in other words, "ego death". this fetch wood moto only applies to completing the 10 steps. But its realistically a 20 step process, just people are confused when they are in mu, that its completeled

@Key Elements thanks, i did but i got confused which ones to look at. ill take a look in a while thanks

For teaching its easier to make them all mean the same thing to equate to "not the highest" and so you continue and eventually reach the highest whatever that may be and i would just assume that to call it "niravana" which is still any one of the terms. Basically its the set of "what is god or who am i" so its better to group them together. yes i've had this feeling, thanks for the pointer, maybe if i watch some ill pick them up. Seriously i was just hoping you'd send me a video to adjust my meta. LOL it was too hard to find a video, my brain got over loaded, its actually quite simple but leo has sorted it for us, when a person has had an awakening you simple ask them. which of the infinities is it ?

@DecemberFlower I would say, the only way is to believe you are the best in your field to ever live. In other words, replace your limiting belief with an expansive belief that has no limits of relatively. ABSOLUTE BEST. i can confirm this works.

@mandyjw if you look at the video of authority, where would it be?

@cetus56 Yes i guess so, there's no breaking imperfection! the imperfect is always perfect, the perfect is always perfect and that's perfection to no degrees. Thanks, i really needed that pep talk it was actually life changing

@cetus56 That is a good point! i never considered that, i'm literally matching my brain against infinite knowledge, i guess it is really peace that god gives! thanks cetus, i guess this must also include the need to go further

@cetus56 yes but the story will continue and therefore be able to answer the question yes or no.

@Shiva okay, so as buddha would define it, its no-thing or no seperate self prior to an individual consciousness who is experiencing. @cetus56 okay nevermind, after shivas answer- it seems i confused things. i understand what i did now, i misunderstood the teachings. the meaning of losing a square box, is the individual perspective and what that individual experience entails. I.e to omniscience, god is talking to god, so does this define as being prior to consciousness, yes according to shiva. would you agree with him and Nisargadatta maharaj, Stephen wolinsky, Jed mckenna all these teachers teachings. They are talking about omnisciency? or riding the ox backwards, because your interpreting everything as god now?

@Shiva the answer is omnisciency, is a square box lost after?

@Serotoninluv is this a concept or the fact your god consciousness knows water is wet, but can be frozen at the same time in another country?

@Preetom she is jesus i can sense it, she was born to enlighten "david the enlightened master"

Bumping

@Key Elements interesting prospect, i should definitely consider this. lol thanks

@cetus56 yikes

@Key Elements would you send me a video, to understand what you mean

@cetus56 This makes sense, why you said that video was your favourite video

exactly thanks for the interpretations of all their teachings

@Nahm I see, thanks.

@Jkris in what sense do you mean?

@winterknight are you in a state of absolute non existence? and don't say that it's not good for my inquiry, it seems i'm going to have to follow my own path to its conclusion.

I take back everything i said it is not the truth. its just concepts. still LOL i apologies for starting non dual wars aswell ahaha such is the mechanism of life

Enlightenment is this following sentence “understanding of god and being” At total enlightenment, your limited state of consciousness becomes god. Consciousness itself is aware of everything that is happening. Metaphorically it is a single drop of water that contains the whole universe. Consciousness is fragmented into states of consciousness to sustain distinction. But consciousness itself can change. These states of consciousness are identifications or “I”. Consciousness is simultaneously static conscious levels and the entirety of all conscious levels. You as consciousness can change your state to reach higher levels of enlightenment. Enlightenment is not binary. Everything is enlightened just to different degrees. A cat is enlightened, a tree is enlightened. As human enlightened consciousness we have the ability in your finite state of predisposition form to change our conscious levels. Enlightenment threfore can be defined as understanding of god. The more you understand about god in your consciousness, the higher stage of enlightenment you are at. Non dual beings are more consciousness than dual beings. But what their consciousness is, Is a higher degree of enlightenment. They are in infinity just like Buddha and Jesus was. However, I’ve started conscious warfare with enlightened beings these last two weeks to see the holes in their enlightenment. They are right god is nothing. This is their highest state of enlightenment. However they don’t understand that god is everything aswell. Their enlightenment finishes at infinite oneness and infinite love and that’s what FACET of understanding of god they belong too. Each facet is total, and is a part and a whole. Total enlightenment is the sum total of all the facets of god actualised into consciousness. The final form of consciousness the formless. To be conscious of this in your consciousness is to be omniscient, it is the adding up of all possible enlightenments. The sum of enlightenment is total enlightenment. The self deception facet of god is the hindering problem of CONSCIOUSNESS TRICKING CONSCIOISNESS that it is total enlightenment. Becoming omniscient is a higher degree of enlightenment than non duality enlightenment. Why? Because it INCORPORATES non dual consciousness. GOD is everything AND nothing. To become god you must become everything and nothing. How? Your consciousness has to include the entire being of god. From total nothingness to total evrruthingness. Reality or “everything” is a design. To understand gods design is to be conscious of god at a higher level. To reject a part of god, the mind or brain and call it an illusion within god is to seperate it. You are not conscious of it as yourself and the role it plays in reaching enlightenment. TO BECOME GOD YOU MUST BECOME THE SAMENESS OF ALL DISTINCTIONS together. Differences is what separates reality into fragments. In non duality we favour one side of the duality. The side of illusions. But your consciousness must incorporate ALL POSSIBLE THNGS. you must be simulataneously aware of things being an illusion and simultaneously be aware of them as completely real. This is an example of changing an distinctions into sameness. In more simpler words it’s to understand the total solipsism of god and become it in its own consciousness this present moment. Why ? To become the SAME as god. This is total enlightenment at the final degree. Each degree of enlightenment has different radicalness of the infinities. Infinite love on the level of omniscient consciousness is different to infinite love on the non dual enlightened level. This is because every degree of enlightenment is a degree of its facet. Therefore we can conclude that Buddha and Jesus, ramana maharashi , and any enlightened beings in the past, ARE NOT totally enlightened beings.

@winterknight alright thank you

@winterknight do you think infinity could create a world where 3 + 3 = 7?