Aakash

@SOUL Nope, i'm saying to enlightened beings there is no duality and to this alternative version of beings that duality exists entirely. There's no framework to say such a statement is true or false, the absolute being is beyond even both our highest truths. They are just the best possible highest truths that can be taught to seekers. I'm saying that absolute truth is itself relative. Therefore your enlightenment is only relative to what is "the highest truth", it doesn't take anything away from it. It is indeed the highest truth... just not only highest truth The second highest truth is not about cessation from self-suffering, this is enlightenment. The second highest truth is about truth seeking within consciousness as god. it is virtually the EXACT opposite of enlightenment, continual suffering to constantly seek out truth within consciousness through constant mystical expeirences and deeper embodiment. Its the experiential version of enlightenment by completing of the trinity, whilst enlightenment is the cessation of experience to end suffering. But the original point was, there was no suffering and so all enlightenment is "what is the highest truth" it is not about liberation or anything like that realistically. So its the exact same thing, the two highest truths possible. ofcourse enlightenment comes with the ceasation of suffering instead of constant struggle for truth. So i mean, it is genuine liberation source. But this is artifical liberation, liberation within taking solace inside of god and your non-dual mystical experience state. Its none other than a cost/ benefit analysis for truth seekers on how to live their life. Ultimately life is pointless and even you as an enlightened being knows this, so all we can really do is create our own meaning or let that meaning go. The final question is are you the one god or are you within the one god. It'll always loop around to this.

This is true, yes what would we be debating, we would be going around in circles. Yes its logical , yes it's logical , so that makes it illogical, yes it's logical, but it's logical to me, but that means it's illogical to to you and not logical to me , then yes it's logical Lol this would be our conversation, and we'd end up right back in the same place its like i said, i don't know how to disprove logic, logically. I did it through mystical experience. The simple answer, is that if everything is logical one, you can't actually make distinctions about anything which is true. Therefore by default what has the mind actually created to base it's logic on? its based it on assumptions about there was such thing as a distinction. Also, its like inlytened1 disproved quantum physics with evidence, however you never accepted it. ahaha whats your credibility based on? experimental evidence of your experience changing, which is envoked by practice. so do the practices, contemplate .... what is logic, what is a point of reference, what is evidence, what is the assumptions science is based on, what is an atom, what is perception, what is religion, what are neurones, what is illogical, what is duality , what is non-duality, what is experience, what is credibility of professionalism based on, what is survival of a subject, what are the contradictions between different subjects, what is the history of that subject, what is understanding, what is a symbol , what is language , what is sentences ,what is bias , what is metaphysics, what is subjective , what is objective, How much is each subject subjective, what is debate, what is ideology, what is time, what is real , what is not real , what is a theory, what is actuality, what is limited perspectives effect on results, what is interpretation , what is a point, what is correlation, what is true, what is false, what is cultural warfare, what is business, what is money, what is funding for experiment, what is the point of cutting edge resources happening at university, what is journalism, what is Darwinism, what is evolution, what is differentiation in subject branches, what is occultism, what is the problems of the world, what can materialism do to solve these issues, can it solve all of them, what is happiness, what is suffering , what is desire, why can two scientist disagree on the same subjects. Answer all of this and find the connection between all of these, i've sliced reality into certain segments to give you a certain picture. add any other variables you feel you need to, but just use this as the core of your contemplation from scratch. Like your learning all over again, but being skeptical of its validity now. Also yeah i only assume i know what you know because that's the only way to communicate with people LOL , i can't ever know 100% of what you know, i can at best only guess.

@possibilities Yeah i'm not getting banned for having this conversation. not getting banned is worth a lot more than 10,000 sorry. I told you the answer for free. Nobody can persuade you ,except yourself. Bye @Kushu2000 here's a paradox for you to solve, if you lost half of your brain, would this have changed the feeling of being alive itself? if you answer no, then what your saying is that consciousness itself has not changed. Therefore consciousness has nothing to do with the brain.

Yes, but its ultimately a model of "traits" that people fall into, which is emphasised by being in a society. Your young bro, would definitely try being alpha for a while, to see how useful/useless it is There's nothing wrong with it at a young age, you will actually come out with less mental problems, However in my opinion, it'll just back fire in the latter ages of life, when you realised you could have sat by a tree and smelled some flowers instead of having to constantly work yourself in a gym to uphold an image as majority of people going gym do. its subjective, however ... its neither right nor wrong it exists because you say it exists and an authority figure i.e biology professors ,psychologist and joe rogan told you exist. If you don't want it to exist then you simply have to stop believing it is a real thing. The question is how? and that is the fine work of self-actualising yourself so its great you asked this question

@SOUL Yup that's life, its not fortunate... they both come with a double edge sword, it's just about deciding which one is for you. You will never have the experience of dying from being overweight and over indulging in gluttony. This is one of the double -edges of enlightenment. Similarly, the double-edge of the latter is you will never have infinite liberation and be constantly in peace ahahaha maybe i could have used a better example, i choose to be funny at the wrong times

@possibilities I don't want to go off topic from the thread, so i'll say this I editted my post, i meant posts relating to new profound theories and insights about the nature of consciousness, not normal posts replying to people. Thanks for letting me know that people will misread it. I appreciate it. Just by you saying this is enough for me to know you mean it, which is good So this is the impact you wish to have? Sorting out other peoples ideas etc is a nice thing to do. However, if you haven't experienced god lets say, what grounds can you give to justify that another person's absolute is actually not the absolute? offended because it comes from the materialist paradigm. Yes its a possibility for god, its impossible to question god from a materialistic paradigm. So what doubt are you putting in others? instead, of helping them progress? To doubt something, is not to think of it as absolute and to progress you need to understand the absolute is the absolute and there is nothing else The logic remark is this, all logic is actually illogical when viewed from an abstract perspective. As it does not fit within its own realms of logic. for example, if i tell you that apples are actually blue in colour Your logic will reject this comment, when i'm being 100% serious that apples are blue in A reality. How will you then go forward and try to be skeptical of this from your logic framework. It's actually impossible. You would have to build a new frame work (an illogical framework) which then if proved to be correct after experimentation will become your new referential framework The second piece of logic is this: Just as you see my blind spots, i see yours. This is the beauty of projection. The very thing that someone says is a projection of faleshood in their own mind. Which means, anything can be argued against. Anything except the absolute. So if a person arguing from the perspective of the absolute is actually not speaking from logic or falsehood. You must be skeptical of the degree of correctness, if it's higher than yours, you accept it and take it as your new absolute. If it's not, then you reject it. However, the trick is we accept/ reject something from the very paradigm we operate from ourselves. Meaning that logic will not work. On the other hand, you are not incorrect either. Nobody has disproved to you how logic is inadequate, they've merely stated it won't work. So i'll tell you directly. No words from another human being can prove your own mind wrong. You yourself must see how logic is inadequate and that can only be done by quieting the mind and having a mystical experience. To show the mind can not get you there or you have to find the limitations of logic itself. Which is the study of epistemology/metaphysics and logical positivism. I reached the conclusion through the former as most others have, you are trying to reach the conclusion through the latter. Which others on this forum, have not studied enough philosophy to guide you to, except Leo. As a result, people suggest to you the former, which their absolutes revolves around. Therefore they aren't incorrect, they're just not giving you what you want. You want knowledge to break down knowledge and to do that you have to watch leo's main body of work, which is the entirety of all his video's put together with careful contemplation. Similarly you may look in his book list for the godel, esher and ba and this will help you. What these philosophers show is a theory as to how knowledge is incomplete. or if you want a shortcut without reading the books, leo has already made a video about the major implications v

@possibilities the truth is nobody knows anything, so we have to make highest possible truths that govern directions. Therefore certainties are not to be demonized but challenged. you, yourself are talking with conviction it sounds. Although it amuses me the way you write and the positions that you hold, that i've read over the past week. But it doesn't sound like you actually do practices LOL you just come on here to tell people their deluded and at a shallow level of understanding as well as hold an intellectual ground. Your just going to go around in circles, a scientists confirms through self-validation whether thats external or internal experimentation. Lol but you demonize the position before you even give it a chance or are even skeptical about it. but yeah, this is when it comes to matters about any subject touching god. However, you give great general help information, i like that too. Overall, i think you have loads of potential to do something great to be honest ahaha. Call it a gut feeling. Irony is a funny thing, you will always create your own reality. So its not others who are holding positions, but always "you who are holding the position that others are holding a position about a certain position of a position"

My theory is that stage turquoise, coral and teal are spiritual stages in the SD model. I think that the convergence of duality to varying degrees of non-dual awareness actually creates a portal system for any lower stages to enter without having gone to the stage directly above them, themselves. its possible because of methodical systems. its probably easiest to explain turquoise, but you could probably become non-dual from stage purple, red, blue,orange,green simply by doing the spiritual practices. This is due to the fact there was a "system designed" to portal you to stage turquoise. Therefore we have different enlightened beings In my observation, stage yellow humans are likely to get directly portal-led to stage coral. As they are likely to design a system around non-dual god being the centre piece of the functions. While turquoise humans (after being portal-ed to stage turquoise, can portal to stage teal through some Reiki class. Likewise for momentary spikes in consciousness through "methodical systems" it is possible for any consciousness stage of the spiral to portal to stage teal for use of magic. Examples in my opinion would include, lucid dreaming, siddhis, spirit summoning, mass cursing, public sacrifices, reading into ones future. The difference between unconscious portal ling and conscious portal-ling is that the unconscious person needs external objects , to portal themselves, with method TO the specific variation of magic. With a conscious being, the mechanism is internalised and they are able to skillful practice the movement of themselves within themselves (non-duality awareness). [the unconscious person doesn't have non-dual awareness] , now it doesn't mean that conscious people don't have to use external objects, per say. its just by non-dual consciousness, the object is no longer anything other than inside of god (you). Furthermore, what does this theory prove. PSYCHEDELICS as direct portal-ling methods to spiritual stages. Psychedelics done by a tier 2 person, stage yellow, will likely induce an omniscient awakening because of the portal ling effect. The systematic approach to god melting your metaphysical knowledge into direct experience. Similarly, it will give glimpses of awakenings for any stage of the spiral. This theory also confirms how a person can directly access stage teal, without having completed a set of metaphysics. Each spiritual stage is a whole stage itself with different methods. The spiral stops becoming linearly-stacked stages through portal-ling. However, it is possible that it severely limits your scope of the stage itself, by not doing it in order. SD knowledge would infer that it is impossible to understand the occurrence of a new stage, without seeing the limitations of the stage before and guiding the principality or value system of the new stages. Therefore direct portal-ling is based on preference and choice, rather than the expansion due to limitations of stage below. As a result, it is possible to have a really spiritual non-dual being who knows nothing about systems thinking. I should also write, that portal-ling to a non-dual stage is a form of turquoise, that allows systems thinking to guide you there. it is possible as a unconscious person to think holistically and create systems themselves. Instead of building upon already current (limited) systems of explanation for "all of reality" models I.E most spiritual teachings. However, i'm not sure if this will convey correctly to you. non-duality is actually portal-ling through a system of methodology. You actually haven't yourself tried to BUILD a system holistically. So in its purest essence, you are actually a portal-ed tier 2 being, as opposted to a completed turquoise NON-DUAL being Enlightenment itself, cycles you outside of the system AND THEN BACK TO YOUR CURRENT SD STAGE, ironically with the knowledge of portal-based spiritual schools of teachings or in other words non-dual turquoise teaching. However, you can't get around the fact that your stage is most likely somewhere centered around stage blue, because you portal-ed there. Instead of contemplating your way there. It's actually the single foundation for building your own knowledge structure. CONTEMPLATION , you will never actually understand the meaning of a word without contemplating it yourself. You'll never see the full scope of reality without your mind and that is exactly, why you can't portal to stage coral. A) you need to be a tier 2 systems thinker created yourself or by portal-ling methodological use by other. B) you need non-dual awareness of any form C) You need to be non-enlightened D) you have to understand that enlightenment is different to non-dual awareness E) you have to see that stage coral is more non-dual consciousness than stage turquoise non-dual This is the reason why non-dual beings do not understand that god is everything and nothing without someone telling them directly. They will go on the words of their teachings, instead of figuring out how god is everything themselves. This also explains the structural difference between someone who says they are everything + nothing in stage turquoise (Traditional non-dual awareness) and someone who says they're everything + nothing in stage coral (omniscient non-dual awareness) Spiral portal-ing explains a lot of things IMO.

@SOUL Thank you, this post is actually the best thing i've ever read on my spiritual journey. it has put ALOT Into context for me. I really appreciate it.

@Inliytened1 I see, it makes sense. its as i thought, you locked out and therefore you don't know. What you thought was omniscient was actually circling back to everything. Which was actually nirvana. Which means that stage coral, is infact a different branch. However, there is no need for you to try, what it also means is that, there is no need for others to try unless it is part of their dynamic paradigm even in the enlightened form, Like leo. Not sure if he's enlightened or not, the sheer fact he doesn't want to lock would suggest otherwise. However, from an omnsicient point of view, it matters not because that locking restriction actually loops around you. Its basically a anti-locking-locking system. in other words, you are locked but in a different way, because its enlightenment entrenched around you. Ironically a different form of enlightenment. it is exactly that, who did you give your authority to... omniscient locks you into your own subsection of the infinite as the infinite.. which is what i sensed i was god as god post duality/non-duality collapsing with non-dual i locked partially into the whole section of the infinite but as god, but as the one god. again after duality/non-duality collapsed. Which ever way you look at it, Different expressions of the same as @SOUL said, which means you guys do have the choice is you wanted to, its just your already chilled out and blissful like soul said. You don't see the point because its the same exact thing LOL. the experience itself would not even matter because there is no experience. In the end, its actually pretty pointless to an enlightened being. Whether that experience as a different form of enlightenment, was greater or not. it really doesn't matter The dualities broke down in actually completely different ways.

@Inliytened1 Inliytened man! LOL please this is the most important question of my whole life! LOL! WHAT makes you and the others so flexible!! it doesn't make sense you are all enlightened. Like you understand that omniscient enlightenment is totally different to non-dual enlightenment. So like what makes you and the others able to swivvle towards it and not other enlightened beings!

Yeah i understand, its god not the name of the person with a limited consciousness LOL. thanks i think having a war with you guys has actually made me 100x more conscious! such is the term conscious warefare!

@Conrad Yes its taken you five weeks to convince me, but i think you are indeed enlightened and know god. its also shown by your absolutist tone I am happy for you

@Conrad interesting so you are everything and nothing. You have locked out aswell it seems ?

@Inliytened1 Right it also is understandable by you had an omniscient awakening. So what your saying is you are flexible because there is other which is one. So do you understand the metaphysics of god? and if you do why don't you try to become an omniscient enlightened being? because its okay not to?

@Matt8800 This is false, there is no atman. There is no need to make things better at this level of conscious development. simply put, the lack of meta-knowledge and authority given to famous enlightened beings cancels out the need to make such an action. This is why leo said even the buddha never wanted to teach. he was just going to sit alone in silence. its exactly that. The relative human consciousness determines your level of enlightenment relatively, however once you enter enlightenment. That relativity is masked up, which you are okay with because of the true nature of self.

@SOUL Yes i get that, i mean your human body, what does it decide to do - Does it decide to sit around and do nothing or do you attempt to help people. I am aware what i'm asking is a false claim, its just relative knowledge.

@Inliytened1 Like seriously lol if you guys are in exactly the same place! why can you tell him its everything , but he can't tell you its everything. this is a contradiction, either you are not enlightened or there are degrees of enlightenment that are actually higher than others enlightenment. These are degrees of god. there is still the fact that you really don't know what you don't know. So there are degrees of enlightenment from the relative world look from a seperate self, but not from the opposing side. Which means you are locked out, but you can see the beauty of the world and winter knight or i think soul can't wouldn't you say that is a major difference? is this what you mean by being "okay" with it ? so your enlightened self is actually adaptive, that's quite interesting

@SOUL May i ask what do you do to help in the dualistic world?

@Inliytened1 But how did you manage to change and winterknight didn't ? when you become everything . Doesn't that mean you never locked out?

@Inliytened1 You don't understand, you haven't locked out of the system as total as this yet. There is no winterknight. We are essentially talking to nobody. There is nothing we can say to him, that will make him change his mind because he is indeed completely enlightened. To him this conversation isn't even happening. any word used to describe him and his enlightenment. Will not do. Its like i said, it's the final stage of enlightenment. what happens is your meta-knowledge and your ideologies, problems etc.. get "saved" like a save point and that's it.. you'll just work like that the rest of your life. because your knowledge structure of enlightenment and who you are will not change. These are not debatable points for him. We are not even ignorant to him, because ignorant doesn't exist to him. it is as he says ultimate peace and ultimate bliss. Which is not even in his experience. its undescribable in words, even for us. its a state where its impossible to contemplate, so it's virtually impossible to change your position on any topics because they don't even exist in your experience. its a strange loop that can't be broken, once you enter. so its being locked out. Scary indeed , it gives me chills. However, i'm glad that you are here on this forum winterknight and i am glad that you are you and you are happy with your enlightenment. This is all i can ask for from one human being to a non-human being. The true self doesn't change, the duality version of that true self changes. This is the only thing i can infer. But you must lock out to know what the true self is. The difference between a bodivista and buddha nature. It doesn't matter consciousness will multiply infinitely, but the buddha nature won't. They are the same and they are different. But this is from a seperate self position. when you are completely enlightened, the whole illusion dispels. including the break down of non-duality/ duality.

@Conrad interesting i believe you actually. let me ask a question, do you experience or is there absence of experience for you?

@winterknight You know what i think, i think that enlightenment is a phenomena, that cycles you outside of consciousness and all its systems. But may i ask, why do you still quote ad vita vendata and not look to change in any knowledge structure? Its just that a complete annihilation of your knowledge structure and experience. In other words its a VOID within a VOID within a dualistic VOID within a BLACK HOLE within nowhere, no place , no time its the true giving up of self. Whereas we can fathom that your experience lies within a larger experience of god. To you, its completely nullified. its interesting for sure, you have most certainly reached nirvana However, why does someone like @foxfoxfox or @natasha not agree with you when they have experienced themselves this same pocket of space. its exactly this, nirvana can take the extremes of any paradigm. because its infinite and will basically resort in a lock when giving up self. No new knowledge is gained and no knowledge of true self is lost. its just not within your nature to go and help the world at, but for someone like sadhguru it is. Which means there's no actual difference between your enlightenmnet, your experiences which are no free will on earth was in what lead you to be locked at your enlightenment. Which means that, its actually dangerous as a society imo, to let people follow you. it would be more advisable to get locked at a higher level of consciousness before permanently locking out of the system. For example, if i permanently locked out the system at stage coral. I would be doing the exact same thing i am doing now probably. I wouldn't even quote non-duality or advita or any spiritual school of teaching. I would be quoting my contemplation. Therefore its as you've said, that whole issue with trying to balance non-duality and duality is only a distraction itself. Interesting, but this begs the question like @sychronicity @ fox fox fox @ natasha @ aakash @ inylightened one all think (in my relative opinion of everyone elses viewpoint) what makes you right? to which the answer is, you are indeed right. It just goes against our principals of humanity This is exactly the reason i didn't like how nahm didn't learn any true metaphysics before he still managed to lock out at a higher level. Yet he's still able to keep a balance within the world of relativity. Its interesting... it basically concludes the answer and that is, you can lock out at which ever stage you want and that's the brillance of enlightenment. There are degrees of enlightenment/ consciousness, but there is only enlightenment and there is only one ultimate locking out. Still i must add, it has nothing to do with the god particle, it is still within the existence of the god particle. However, its the ultimate lock out. As long as you reach this lock at even at higher levels of consciousness. Your locking out at the same place, but in a different location. Still in the middle of nowhere, the most incomplete-complete god particle. However, that doesn't change the fact that there will be more "conscious" incomplete-complete god particles in the future. So yeah, everything makes sense

@Conrad @ROOBIO Lets add a bit of relativity to this 10 years of sober practices = 1 boosted psychedelic experience up to you, how you want to play it

Conversly, i'll start adding non -dual answers to my dualistic answer who is the one who thinks there is a such a thing as Christianity, can you tell me where Christianity is located? who is the one who dies, death is an illusion mysticism is who you are. the true self. it is not something that is taught, that can be killed. it can be found through meditating. Don't use your mind. Relax and medititate. Let these thoughts pass