Aakash

@FoxFoxFox I didn’t mean it with such conviction/ word play. I simply meant just draw your attention away from everything until the very idea of everything is an illusion.

@FoxFoxFox in other words, the idea is that it goes on infinitely like you said. So instead of getting drawn into it infinitely (maya) . It’s to realise the true self, is not that. And then to continue what ever practice you did to get there

@winterknight man that was a top notch answer. I was going to write what ever “answer” wintersolider gives you is not it . So I guess the best words were what ever stop you from seeing true self ahah thanks I’ll take a lesson from that

Then that question you were asking on wintersoliders thread is that, what you currently are is the invisible thought. The thought “I am” is thought by the human thinking they are “I”. The invisible thought is all degrees of samadhis from here to [ ] which is not “you”

Can what ever your experiencing go deeper? so the what i'm asking is, is it infinite in depth or would it be infinite as a static infinite if you give up the notion that there was a person who "was out of it" and then "entered it"

@Nahm ahaha your not very good at keeping secrets are you consciousness can be the sneakiest thing, when it does dealings for money i'll give you a riddle to solve , have you considered that if a person never attached a meaning to the world imagine, what action would he actually be doing? using your meaning of imagination. i promise you'll laugh (i think) because the answer is so funny.

@FoxFoxFox No , he is talking about the invisible thought. Which is present when there is an absent of thought. In other words, stop using thought and quite the mind. Then what ever remains THAT is the invisible thought which is not it. You must keep going until there is "[ ]" that which no symbol or words can point to

@Serotoninluv it doesn't matter, answer me this What is your justification for why it should not be done?

@Nahm Yes its actually ridiculous, even i feel for the people who decide to take this pathway, people think i would do psychedelics, are they mad LOL i already went through enough purification! i would rather they did it to try it out ahaha Should i tell you a funny fact, it is for that specific reason that i laugh at it too. unfortunately its what happens when your given a pencil to chop down a tree LOL

@Serotoninluv What if its the case, that we simply live in two different worlds which are identical in fact? Both with knowledge and direct experience that is relative absolutely but no way to prove it. What if what i'm saying can only been take on blind faith? What if, IF i me, myself take things as absolutely true because they are all absolutely true by belief itself what if, there is in actuality no way to distinguish a belief from direct experience and that they are identical, including no direct experience itself

@Serotoninluv LOL you mean WE! made it up for the benefits of others and scientific studies You would actually find

@Serotoninluv is it the same crystal though in its entirety though, that is the question. My view is that its not actually a trap to think it should be otherwise as the post thread suggests at the latter stages, it is simply a division within the larger whole

@Nahm Yeah its impossible for a guy to do reiki actively, Yeah reiki is still the best thing at the end of the day ahaha

@Angelite This is enlightened competition!! You can't stop the force of nature, you must react or die. What happens when you become enlightened is you detach from your story and so your ego isn't involved with the outcome. It does no benefit for the actual ego itself. There are many ways to define "ego" ,the ego you are talking about is a sense of "i" the ego i am talking about in this case is a superior unhealthy "ego" , what i'm trying to show is what a "healthy ego" looks like from both student and teacher and people who claim they are the best. Its impossible to demonize ANYTHING in reality because it is you. To escape , run away, reject , is all things enlightenment deals with to end suffering. What needs to actually happen is people need to become more conscious to destroy their ego. Its like i keep saying to people there are three forms of enlightenment. Each as equally highest truths as the other ones. whatever way you define ego is what ever way you will be enlightened from that ego

again this is about humble-ness. There is no need to put moral standards on things like being the best. This just makes things seem insignificant when they are actually special. if it breeds jealousy, this is actually good because it forces others to be better. Also there is a need to compare yourself to greats, because there's no person alive who is better than you. There are just people who are better at certain aspects of the same "field" as you. However, overall all contributions were needed to lay foundations for that specific field. So relatively there is nothing that is more special than others. By this logic, there would be no reason for me to overtake Leo, this is a self-limiting biased. There is nothing godly about leo in my eyes that proves to me that he is any better than me. BUT i acknowledge that there are things that leo can do, that i can't do. And thats the great thing about diversity, there's no absolute relative standard that can compare two people. Therefore by this logic itself. There is ONLY special people and that pertains to everyone! Competition is not a negative thing, its negative when done unconsciously by BOTH PARTIES. Competition breeds the best out of people and that's how it should be. competition is a beautiful thing. Its because you know that there are people better than yourself, that makes you want to be better than them. its pathological when the overall success is deemed by titles! "best in the world" "best team of all time" "best of the best" "best in the field" because as i've said to work for such a goal is ridiculous. nonetheless, its an aspiration, and the journey itself that actually matter as you said When you can see your opponent as beautiful then there is no animosity and it breeds a level playing field. What needs to happen is people actually need to help their enemies to raise their game, so that in turn it will let you raise your own game. You take responsibility for both parties, because the ripple effect will help everyone. Scratch each others back. it is loses that breeds great champions, it is not actually success. A champion who has never failed, is no champion. A champion who reached where they did by pure luck and never acknowledged it as pure luck is no champion. This is humility when you can turn around and say, you did not do it by your own efforts. This is the cultural issue we see with stage orange. The need to brag that they achieved things on their own, when in fact they never. its actually a lie. The way a teacher- student relationship should go is as follows Teacher teaches student Student challenges teacher about their position on certain features of their teaching Student fails in attempt to challenge position Student regroups Student challenges teacher and fails over and over and over again Student develops their own method and innovates and creates Student challenges teacher and wins Teacher regroups and become better Teacher challenges Teacher for new teacher position Teacher who loses, turns into student or this is the final match and either teacher goes away and does their own thing, repeating the cycle with other students , and this breeds the best teachers, the best students This is the process of mastery, 1) Learn knowledge or skill 2) create via knowledge or skill 3) master skill or knowledge with your own individuality individuality breeds success When you start factory farming students, that's when you can measure them as a relative representative. Things should be so diverse it should be hard to create a model for modelling people. Therefore improving the standards on which such skills and knowledge are based on. This process repeats again its about bringing the best out of each person individually and its loses that make this happen. If everyone won, it would stop this and therefore competition should be fair and equal. NOT rigged for everyone to win

The downsides of it by my understanding are: believing your ego is better than others believing that other's can't reach your level of "special-ness" believing that your gifts are god given especially for you, instead of something you cultivated as a result of standing on the shoulder of giants believing that others should reach your level of standards (wholesomely) believing that there are not people that can overtake you (complacency) believing that you need to sabotage others, so it doesn't diminish your reputation believing in your special-ness as an identity itself believing you know what's best for others and everything as a whole believing that you need to be the best for insecurity reasons (which is intertwined with your reason for needing to be the best- the double edge sword that can't be stopped, as a result of it being double edged) The double edge part isn't bad, but its when you project it to others that its bad believing that your superior and not listening to the viewpoints of others believing in your best-ness and obscuring your reality (which is actually required to reach the top in the first place) its when it becomes pathological that you start feeling the need to sabotage others These are probably the most unconscious ones. Ofcourse, if you were conscious you would question these before putting it into perspective of best-ness. The truth is at the end of the day, if your the best your the best. You can't get away from this statement by merely proclaiming humble-ness but this is the projection aspect. My morality lies with this: if you have it then you can say it. You have to work for it, there is no way a baby can be the best and that's just facts. My view of the best is top 10 -20 in any field. To me once you've reached over a certain threshold there's nothing seperating you from others that are also top of the game besides statistics. And statistics are down to your past history and there are too many factors involved to simple state you are the best just because you had the best environment, teachers etc. This is relatively inaccurate statement. So the best for me is always top 20 or so people in any field. Like you can't say there's any difference between martin luther king and buddha, they're equally as best as each other.

@zeroISinfinity you win. I'm not mature enough. aswell as i'm not educated enough to make moves past this point. Abstract thinking worked before, but its counter-intuitive when actually dealing with people from a position of knower, as opposed to wanting-to-know Then there's also the added fact that i have never had an enlightenment experience for qualifications purposes So this is win/win/win for everybody. Looks like we'll have to leave it to god to see how it plays out.

@zeroISinfinity ROCK ON! Love you man in hindsight, what can we learn? Never put divine knowledge into the hands of the prince of hell

I'll make this related to the post The traps of awakening is that god is so counter-intuitive you can use words to showcase god. because there is no difference between the word, the reader, the trinity god..... writing words is exactly equal to an enlightened beings non-experience. its just where we want to go as a group, knowing this truth. Okay i'm going to stop, i feel like my low consciousness being in red is forcing me to write these things, when i gain higher consciousness. I'm forgetting that i'm destroying structures. which is bad! LOOOL i want all these structures to co-exist! people to be any thing they want. Just in the correct structure. Okay c'mon aakash, gain some self-control man. - be zen, no mind No need to be Kim jun un, that's where this is going to end up if you continue!! Fuck man i'm not mature enough for this lol. no where near developed to be able to say such thing's and actually have things move forward past my control LOL entering the golden age all over again Okay next step: peace treaty enjoy the stage-- enter a spiritual brothel LOL have a few beers with all the beings and talk the language of love

The forum has reached stage ruby at its highest levels we've hit on occasions, which is just red warfare, to gain power and monopolise power due to opposing worldviews and cultural norms. This is all enlightened beings participating in a thread debate over truth. Individually everyone is at lower stages. However, when they collectively come together, the gathering of consciousness spikes and it raises higher than their individual levels. its kinda like how we can say the collective species are at stage orange/green development however there are still purple tribes in amazons etc. So the irony as there is loads is Don't tell me your tribes stories and tell me they're true for me. see how complicated this can get it I don't mean it really, just showing an example. I am well aware that what you said is part of the absolute truth at all its highest levels Edit: this ironically proves that there are consciousness levels are happening all at the same time, the levels we haven't discovered in the stages are happening outside of our levels of awareness. Which means there is actually so much to discover about consciousness god and that's the amazing thing about it. You just won't get infinite peace and bliss etc , that's for the god of nothing but that's the sacrifice you have to make. You have to sacrifice your experience for suffering and here you have to sacrifice no suffering for experience lol

The irony is funny isn't it how do we persuade an enlightened being his god is not the only highest truth. it is the highest truth, just not the only one This is how counter-intuitive nature it is. you can't because they're pretty uncooperative beings as a collective. Those one's who follow buddhist and advita traditions, and live in hardcore nothingness. Funnily enough My consciousness god and your nothing-enlightened god are actually one and the same. The stupidity of religion reforming correctly. The sad thing about the religious warfare that will form because it comes back to faith and belief. The only problem is that the true god is unaware of himself and therefore it is a closed system. With the current rules of the game he's made and that it. The cycle repeats and new things to be discovered. Except unlike enlightenment its not provable. Infact the way to prove it is to have various enlightened beings, which i never expected to happen until the rise of an enlightened society, which is infact as planned. Actualised.org forum is basically a society as i said 2 months ago Relitivistic, me telling you this, doesn't change the timeline much because what's the odds this post or any of my posts are remembered years from now. There isn't so the process will continue and people will always hunt out the abosolute and god. Kinda how were realising now that ancient civilisations 3000-6000 years ago had discovered absolute infinity. The process will repeat again

Yeah finding truth kept me in a kind of don't care about it state, need to find truth at all costs. Now that i've found it and i'm going to regress backwards in the spiral by 6 stages. I'm all down for giving into the desire! ahah so HELLLL NO

@Preetom it doesn't actually because prior to even that prior of "i" is actually the prior itself. thinking lets you understand this , which is the same for direct experience. just like you think words are contained in the prior, The prior is contained in the pre-prior aswell , which means you can't use the prior to explain the prior i.e you can't use enlightenment to explain that which is before even enlightened beings itself. Which makes enlightenment by default the highest truth possible. Not the absolute truth. Which is a key feature that many people get wrong. its not like i did anything to deserve this answer, it was just by random chance and outside of fate literally So relatively the equaivalence is mateiralist using materialism to figure out reality is the same as you using advita vedanta and enlightenment to figure out prior to enlightenment . its do-able in theory and the theory is the best of what can be had. Just like direct experience is the best. So the irony here is: its better to have the option to choose with thought, rather than pursue blindly because an authority figure has told you they know the truth. its words that are the only way in which you can know this statement to be true, because there is nothing prior to prior of the "i".. its an impossibility. its just blind faith in the god particle. the true god which is you. The righful place to put your authority, not in swami's but what do i know lol i'm just 24 Like i said, its like saying how can i know it and how ? its just pure random chance, is the stupidity of it. Reality is counter-intutive because ANYTHING you can know via knowledge and experience is not it. except the absolute truth, but you need to find the correct god to place your core knowledge structure in. so to me, honestly consciousness is the highest form of god. Meaning god can be put into words using words.

From my perspective, its the complete opposite. I think its ridiculous that you aren't using your full potential. All these people that say that being special and all are basically limiting their own self. I subscribe to one philosophy and that is anything is possible. What this means, is that this exact claim you have now, will be seen as bullshit in many years time . So logically, its better to plan for this gap, rather than limiting yourself. Which itself makes you have to say that such a limiting-belief is stupid and just taking the moral high ground. By trying to feel "ordinary" in "ordinary". I've done it before, i've limited myself for other people. However, i just don't see the point of doing this. Because if i create my own reality, and i genuinely think i'm the best person in the world. Then why do i have to limit my own potential to serve others self-serving biasis. Such an example would be "its wrong to say your the smartest person in the world" , on who's authority? collective authority? lol please don't make me laugh, the truth is the truth and that's relative to you for everyone. Making this statment claim no more right then wrong. To me, every single person should say this to themselves and genuinely believe it. And the reason is, because YOU GENUINELY don't know what someone can do if they've been given the right resources and help. its so counter-intutive. THat people are regressing the whole of society and humanity at large by telling them such silly things like they are not the best person in the world. but smartest was just an example / subjective. I mean something to any of you that really makes you think, yeah i am the best. Best lover, best friend, best actor, best scientist, best manager This is part of the magic of stage teal, all limiting beliefs fall, because everything is based in magic instead of materialism. The same limitations do not apply, because how do you limit magic? when its formless. The answer is you can't and therefore by logical inference. Its impossible to put limitations on others, however evolution will continue and limitations will be placed on it. But that's probably in like 500 years time lol to put things simply : being ordinary is something an extraordinary/ special person will bullshit themselves about to meet the standards of others. that is actually the humble position to take to say your special. Your being humble to yourself, because you know how detrimental it is to yourself, if you don't do it. Which the irony is every human being, you realise this right? every individual human is special and extraordinary.

Its been a long hard battle, many of my troops died (which was actually no-one!) but i can sense the bottleneck is unlocked. As i suspected, from the age of 12. its fucking magic that was going to undo all limiting-blocks. I spent over 8 years thinking about how i was going to arrive at this very moment and what it was going to look like. It was worth all the time i put in. I always listen to my gut and intuition. as you should. Its telling me, that the whole system is running smoothly. Just have to wait 10 years to see the results of all of our collective efforts put together in real time to see if its true. Thank you all, now i can focus on getting my university major and getting rich and building an empire and find a girlfriend ahaha I had to accelerate everything and was doing spirituality against a timer, i never covered my base needs. So i was always going to head back to base one! i just had to make sure nothing gets in the way in people developing collective consciousness in the future. P.s i'm not leaving, i can just spend a lot less time on the forum ahaha if i calculated everything properly - people will get to stage coral and stage teal and then decide not to become enlightened but rather build a well structured life by their own choice , the scaffolding effect will cascade the effect to others. Therefore, non-dual enlightenment will become less popular, but those who wish to follow the path may. However, people will know that there are many options that people can take, we just have to engineer/ pioneer such avenues for FUTURE highest truth beings. This will create a tunnelling effect through the simple logic that, if there is 1 option 100% of people will take that option, if there is 2 then 50%, if there is 3 , then 33.3% . Then those tunneling paths will open up more paths. These routes will absorb people like a root absorbs water and the tree of life will spring. Materialism won't end for centuries to come. The root effect, will overtake everything because love is a expands consciousness and therefore when people come to stage coral, they can enter any profession. However, the language had to get re contextualised and a new spiral level to be created. The counter to everything is actually stage coral, because it's the only one that communicate truth with words accurately. instead of using non-dual teachings. its a more direct form of ego death. Then the fact that magic exists in stage teal, will actually give people confidence that something is possible. Let people spend time in coral because teal is by definition an incomplete able stage. So the development of the stage itself will be very slow. The spiral portal-ing theory, is actually the development of stage yellow individuals, which is basically the only way to actually solve holistic issues. However, non-duality is a stage blue concept. Stage coral is a stage yellow concept. This is like the overall vision for the next 100 years of reality or so with allowing people to do what ever they want.