Aakash

Basically its inescapable, nothingness still resides inside of the real truth because it need it's own molecule to run reality. Hence all positions are relative, however, they're false equivalencies. so realistically there is no difference between nothingness and something -ness. Its what ever reality you design for yourself. Not as an individual, you are existing among other individuals, who also belong to the same design. you can only understand "god" through understanding paradox's. The only possible truths that exist for all of us. Which includes nothingness and somethingness as one of them. Which can only be done after becoming nothingness, in some enlightenment experience. its total for all of us. the fact its total in our whole reality makes it believable that it's completely total. and so forth. so why is there still a difference in totality for some enlightened beings and not other the answer is: paradox's. creating a frame work for paradox's puts us all in the same place. because it equalises our direct experiences, to then do scientific research for subjective experiences. interesting lol. because absolutes are true under all circumstances, its tricky, countering self-deception with self-deception

@SoonHei ohh okay, yeah that’s what I meant lol. But nothing is happening is the reason to put your self in the present moment fully? What is there to lose without fear ?

@SoonHei from what I imagine it should feel like nothing is happening. Not like your watching a person have a conversation. Thats what not knowing is, it’s not , not knowing something. It’s just not there like a hollow man walking

The paradox is that I can’t access your subjective experience that means that we can not be absolute infinity through sheer understanding of set theory. I get it now. I wasn’t going meta! I was going personal meta! And taking each subjective experience as a objective experience within god. Which is true! But it’s not the meta version. The meta version is that the paradox itself shows the existence of god. The meta is that both you the big god and small god exist. But they are one! And for this to correct itself, you must die to the truth! Because the false self is causing a duality! It’s not that the big self is different to the small self. They are identical and indistinguishable! Except they have different ratio infinities. Nonetheless this is minor details, we need to take the meta of infinity itself! Which is you can never reach the end of an infinity but you can say the infinity is all one! And that’s why absolutes work, the absolutes themselves are paradox’s that exist between having an Absolutely infinite version of yourself and a finite version of yourself. Can’t be seperated until! You go meta and acknowledge that it is your big self in your small self. Because in set theory, absolute infinity is the sum of all possible sets. I was thinking that this statement needs to be true. But I wasn’t going meta again! The sum of all sets only needs to be the nature of the set itself. Nothingness! In other words the destruction of ego is the binder itself. Love is the binder of the design. So love = nothingness. Which is being but can be itself re-energised into finite-infinite self on return. Whilst being nothingness. So in other words, this whole confusion is because I said my human self is seperate to big self, now I’m saying my small god self is seperate to big god self. Because I don’t know what big god self is!! How do I find big god self ? How do I find nothingness. The relativity is countered through metaphysics. But what is the metaphysics of metaphysics ? It’s that it’s a symbolic for relativity so what is an absolute ? “A true statement under any condition” , what is the non-symbolic experience? A fraction of the whole. Therefore the only absolute truth can only be nothingness. But can you really say your nothingness ? No because of set theory! So even your nothingness is limited to your finite-infinite complex. Basically everything is. Your both multiple ones and none. Its just I lack a proper enlightenment experience of nothingness to reform my whole infinite - finite form. How do I experience nothingness? Is this the same as no self ?

@tatsumaru your forgetting there was actually no “god” then. What they call belief in religion is actually spirituality. They were one tribe with one god. What is that other than oneness on a smaller scale. The god was their personified versions of themselves. They wouldn’t even use the word god, their exact words would be “spirit that lies in all of us” which is none other than their own awareness

@AlldayLoop thanks ??

@zeroISinfinity ? I’m not sure, without psychadelics I’m at a loss of confirmation experience. I’m Let altering my own direct experience as awareness. But I don’t know which direction to go into. No self was pretty easy to go into, but i hadn’t sorted out my ego so my thoughts were annoying me do nothing seemed like a nice way. I was considering even letting go of my physical body. As I saw no purpose to act. But the action itself is point, because I end up right back in absolute infinity. Giving up more ego ground is confusing because I haven’t contemplated enough yet or read deep enough books to put everything together and then actually change my direct awareness. Which takes years probably. The fact we can’t confirm subjective experiences annoys the heck out of me. And I don’t have leo’s brain Capability to process structures. So it’s abit pointless me even trying. All three options sound like a hassle espectially the third because it’s the most hassle dunno maybe ending up living a normal life is the best. Kinda getting tired of thinking my ways out of situations for now . Rather at this point make some easy money for no actual reason.

There’s no difference between going behind and going in front. Both are an exsistant awareness

maybe you learnt something about your thread see ya anyways it was worth the try i guess. feel like questioning why i do the things i do. But i guess that's just it, we never know what character were going to play. its said that there are destroyers of universes out there that do what they do, simply for the sake of absolute infinity being, they may not like what they do. Some get a thrill from it. i guess there are stable and healthy benefits of enlightenment. did you not love your character? was suffering not beautiful ? In a way i already compensated my own self. that's probably why i do what i do, otherwise i would be in the same boat as you guys. see you all later

the answer is because truth by communication is truth! it just can never enter your direct experience unless it carries to correct associated direct experience or imagination of that term with it. so once you've hit that stage. Words are the true to you! and it has now pierced your consciousness the difference is bridging the gap, there will always be a gap because you can not enter someone elses direct experience it doesn't mean you don't try. all the passages in this thread, are because each writer thinks what they've written to be truth. even "i don't know something" is truth all experience is subjective! even as awareness lol, i can confidently say with 100% certainty, that all of you are wrong about the absolute truth and there is no doubt in my mind, what so ever. you will then use your frame of reference to say i'm wrong, then i will say where did that frame of reference come from, then you will say .... and i will say where did that come from and we can go on to eternity in truth. and i'm not just talking about you guys, i'm talking about everyone in the past aswell. like i don't know 3 people i think might know it. the only way out of it is to be gifted the knowledge.

Self-referencing is self-deception lol. what are the alternatives ? nothing if this is the case and i self-referenced something more than the collective self-referencers ? what would this make me? The fact that beliefs are in fact truths, means they are absolute truth, there is only absolute truth, what would be the best way to solve this riddle? order truth by highest truth. that is the solution. how do we do this? mysticism! why does your direct experience tell you it is more truthful than mine! because you've said so! this is self-deception why does my direct experience tell me it is more truthful than yours! because i've said so! this is self -deception So how do we adjudicate this without repeat scientific experiment its simple, impossible. i would have to access your experience and this is impossible meaning the only solution to the issue is "no awareness or self-referencing" but how did this solve the problem itself? the perfect solution is to first understand that god is outside of yourself under all circumstances. This add's relativity and measurement possible. but you would need to understand "how reality works as best as you can" and then off-branch from that

@LastThursday the inherent problem with unconditional love is it breeds self-deception. Your awareness is that very thing which you gave free will to. Your awareness is absolute self-deception! Absolute means you can’t escape it and absolute means it’s part of the “god particle” that thing that “makes reality” Absolute maya! And the reason you aren’t aware of it, is because you aren’t omniscient. You can’t place your own awareness in the centre of absolute infinity. Because you don’t know what absolute infinity is. Until Leo created the strange loop inside of absolute infinity.

To be more precise your awareness has free will to merge with Absolute infinity, pure consciousness and love. And then take ownership of it as self. Reforming an ego and then merging with higher levels of consciousness and love etc! But this is not you as human now, it’s you as god. Since you merged with consciousness. It’s precisely because it was a “save point” that it is still your awareness tricking itself into finishing at a more deeper level, that was previously reached by you as absolute infinity! Why is this true ? Because it’s made up as it goes along and knowledge itself is insight and the problem with epistemology is all knowledge is can never prove itself. Through it’s own structure of needing axioms. Only direct experience can find absolutes. But where did you get it from ? Knowledge! And absolute infinity itself! Therefore it’s only completable through creating an infinite strange loop! But how big would that strange loop have to be ? The answer is: as complete as possible to infinity. Which is the best way of mapping infinity. I just thought I’d clarify

@DrewNows yes and my point is that it does! ?

@LastThursday no no no absolute infinity is all around us! There is no human! It is still absolute infinity! If I think I am human then I would be absolute infinity thinking I am human!! Direct experience is Not a human thing! Direct experience is Awareness (your individual one) becoming aware of the whole thing! Which is infinite! But that awareness is not yours! It’s god’s itself. So who’s doing it really! It’s god in real time! But the bond can not be seperated. So it is you! This is how we are able to become more conscious. Because you as the big self put you here in finite form! And then gave you free will to create what ever you want. To which your finite form attached itself to the body. But that is the big self! Absolute ego! The duality or no ego vs ego!

@DrewNows no you assuming there is a mask attach to my face, im telling you the mask is attached to everything around you.

@Leo Gura yes bruh thank you! You understand! We’ve synergised infinite mind together! Through your hard work to understand absolute infinity. Exactly! But there is one thing that is a certainty, dualities are axioms! From there it’s about probability of steering likely course. But you’ve actually actualised it. Which is EVEN better!! You are you Inside of you, Still as you!

@LastThursday no you aren’t able to keep future within your present now which is just a word for awareness. There is a clear distinction, what ever you identify with WILL become your present now and this is how absolute infinity is actualised. This is your awareness expanding in all directions. But it’s difficult to do from a human standpoint that can only keep “now” , “material reality” and “me” into it’s awareness embedding.

@winterknight bro, that is exactly what I mean!! What if I wasn’t a confused person!

Realistically all they needed was a psychadelic experience to then reverse engineer their own consciousness. That’s how siddhis came about in shamanism but it was very dogmatic and absolutist.

Your not getting it, let’s say I was Ramana maharshi and I myself told you this. See how your decision making skills would change ? See the relativity of it ?

@winterknight mainly because I feel the obligation. From an “awareness” point of view But you avoided my question all together. Have you asked yourself why ?

@winterknight I think your a pretty enlightened being. So id suggest, expanding your “awareness” your free will is moulding your awareness to maharashi teachings. So you’ve followed in his steps. Just saying maybe you could make your own path and explore. Doubt you will. Tis up to you ? I’m glad you don’t identify with human though. That’s makes me happy. What do you think of what I’ve said ?

No this timeline will never conclude. Youd have to visit 4d reality to hop between parrallel timelines and see what one possibilities of the future of our 3d reality is like. Self-deception is direct. There’s no step between it. For this you would have to expand your consciousness to reach the 4th dimension. Which is possible so you could look at the future.

@Leo Gura let me ask you “what did you contemplate god’s will as” ?