Aakash

@Key Elements A saintly man, is none other than a crook in disguise A crook knows himself to be a crook. A wise man knows himself to be a fool or playing the part of the fool. The idea is not that if any of these man, awakened to different facets. They would be woke. The idea is that all these men are already woke and the truth realisation of this woke ness. Is nothing other than truth itself.

@Key Elements Yeah well if you can do this, then there’s no problem. It is truth. But the truth was not in the attachment, it was in the detachment as you say. It doesn’t no. But it was never in the first place. The great human is himself a drunkard, a poor man and a wifebeater. The enlightened man is also a wife beater. Unfortunately

@Key Elements The question itself is idealistic. The perspective and the filter have nothing to do with each other. Yes the perspective is partial truth. To be or not to be a psychopath is a partial truth. You can interchange partial truths as much as you like. to play video games or not to to absolute love or not to love to abaolute infinite intelligence or not to be infinite intelligence these are all partial truths. The absolute perspective as you know is not a partial truth. It just so happens that more awakenings makes you more enlightened. But there is no such thing as an enlightened being or a person living a good life or choosing to. Changing the status quo, is changing a subtle maya. But again is it you, no. It’s a twist on the truth. Which I more or less agree with regardless of its truth behind it.

@Key Elements This question only poses value to a non-enlightened being. However the story itself plays on and the majority of answers you will get is yes. For me personally, yes aswell. As you can see with fox fox fox reply you would have to break the status quo. What your looking for is defining awakenings as enlightenment. Rather than defining enlightenment as enlightenment

@Key Elements It’s not that I disagree. I’m saying that all awakening except no self are maya. You would have to break the status quo to get it redefined. To all awakenings, of which there are infinately many. We have the appearance of choice to do well. There is actually nothing to do well in the long run. However, I agree in the short run. The issue of the matter doesn’t change. You still remain the perspective.

@Angelite What does the “middle part “ mean ? I also meant it is my speculation of it. There is no truth to pick lol, the truth is you are perspective. Everything else is partial truth picked for you. As your “personality” of “objectives” including you saying I pick my truths objectively the problem is, what I’ve said doesn’t make sense unless your enlightened.

good Samaritan selflessness and co-opted selflessness you donate to support, not to buy a book list. you also donate against the wishes of the organisation because a single penny can go a long way. donating to gain favor, is investment not donation.

love is seeing the objectivity behind gods will or intent however, the awakening of love is holistic (speculation) so it cuts through intent directly, making it truly objective less. However, it doesn't mean we create false equivalencies via equanimity. There is a way to be equanim without being equanim and that is to be enlightened. So truly the only way to be absolute love facet is to awaken to it. But still realise it is within perspective I.e there was a person who awoke to the facet, but it is still aware of it. the truth of the matter is, there is nothing except perspective. On the other hand, there is no way to tell. An enlightened being can still be aware of the facet and you will never know, only they will. it is god awakening to itself, not a human awakening to god, although it may seem that way. to conclude: all answers above by other posters are correct. the truth is awakening to absolute love. the irony is that the awakening itself doesn't stop devilry or ego per say. the absolute love makes it easier to be absolutely self-loving, which is different to absolut selflessness. However, the ego will coopt selflessness and absolute love into thinking its being absolute self-loving. Which it is unconditionally already but is it actually? well its a partial truth Lets take ego, did the person actually lose their ego or was it replaced? the person can actually never lose their ego, they can never lose their personality or objectivity. Absolute ego and Absolute objectivity, can't be destroyed. Unless you replace it with a partial truth that allows for a greater degree of less egoic behaviour and objectivity. Change the filter. This is non-duality. There was no filter changed and ultimately no ego in the first place. That is why perspective, will always be true.

@Key Elements The answer chosen itself is still only a partial truth. All partial truths are actually objective rather than subjective. It is not that you yourself choose the choice. But to say what “should” have been the case under any circumstance is objective. It’s unfortunately still an untenable position. No amount of awakenings makes perspective itself change. However the objective truth is that in a twisted way, it makes you more enlightened. Awakenings are still only maya. But it’s the only definition for sorting out enlightened beings, who have become perspective itself. The choice itself was still not free will to undergo these awakenings. But the idea that partial filters don’t affect partial filters is incorrect. It’s intertwined as it was “intended to be “ so there is a point behind spreading knowledge and doing political movements so in this way, no wrong moves have ever been made.

Choice is to decide between two or more outcomes. But the imagining of two outcomes itself creates the idea of a choice and therefore a chooser. Ultimately, being is non-dual. With the illusion of duality. But is the duality exist ? The answer is no it can’t, because nothing exists outside itself. However, whAt is duality ? It is a par-truth. A partial truth. Wrapped in a greater truth. The intent by self is choice. A partial truth. Enlightenment is the highest truth. So any partial truths are incorrect, because it’s non-dual. But non-dual is itself only a partial truth. Enlightenment is about perspective itself without attachment to its filter or lens. Non attached at all costs. The objectivity truth is that the filter can only shine a partial truth. The idea is not to be attached. This is how an enlightened being falls into the trap of thinking he’s enlightened. He gets attached to the filter. But you can’t distinguish a person who is perspective themselves or not. There are subtle hints maybe knowledge, being, awakenings, language used etc .. etc.. Truth realisation has nothing to do with the filter. But at this point, the person would be likely to have a non-dual filter. Unless they’re doing personal work within duality. Unattached to everything. So nothing actually happened just like you died before you died. So to conclude, free will can exist as long as you want it to exist. So your remaining free will, the illusion of it. Let’s you decide what ever filter or paradigm / perspective you would like to keep.

@Jack River this statement was objective. But since there’s no one identifying with it. It’s actually an objective that’s object less. Said for the sake of being. Abject of all self - bias... as one way to phrase a “self “ bias

@zeroISinfinity yes, I understand. Enlightenment is therefore just truth nothing else. Highest truth is still objective. But there’s no garuntee that enlightenment will change my objectivity. Ironically. It may or may not.

You can’t criticise, period. Unless you’ve been chosen to. Like Leo. “Beings who engaged in politics” Its true it may be a higher embodiment of truth, but is it actually different No. It has the appearance of it. But it is the same for the person viewing the higher embodied being. It’s uncritisable What is the personality of god, it’s objectivity. Whos objectivity is it, god’s. What is correct objectivity ? there is none. Even there is none is itself objective. There is no subjective opinion. It is all objective, not chosen by yourself. Not functioning, not doing something or doing something are all objective. Truth is not objective, truth is true regardless. But objectivity still happens.

@Nahm poetry is my middle name ?, I’ve written many poems. I’ll do one for fun.

@Nahm thank you for the love ? and appreciation. I’ve completely understood what you’ve said ——————————————— sunny these thing may be true, but you can’t discern them whilst you still are human. You should also take that into consideration. What im saying is more for when you’ve reached a certain level on your journey. Which may or may not be helpful. Mines were only relative pointers, not to be taken as absolutes. Sometimes a teacher may just not have the words to put it in. You can’t really talk about enlightened beings unless you’ve had some form of experience of having your experience and awareness been seen as an illusion. Imo. @SunnyNewDay

@Nahm it’s not so simple nahm. That ever present I agree okay it is the core aspect of this whole thing. But it breeds complacency imo. I’ve seen it countless number of times and it’s simply from the fact that the one hasn’t understood absolute infinity. intentions aren’t always surface level. It’s problematic when people look at skyscrapers , it hurts their necks looking up. Lofty ideas ? Stage teal enlightenment my friend. Remember we are communicated inside of ourselves not inside of myself.

@SunnyNewDay the way to discern what an enlightened being knows is to ask them questions and see what words they use to respond. The other main one is this, how they demonise others. It’s the number one sign of someone who hasn’t accepted everything as part of themselves and isn’t showing a loving manner towards it. The third way is to ask them what absolute infinity is. If they can’t answer that god is outside of them and that they are a fraction of god. Then they aren’t aware of what the truth is.

@Nahm Ya I’ve learnt, still a good intellectual foundation doesn’t hurt. ? sensations is indeed a good word for it! I’ll probably let sensations do me as you’ve said over time. Ahah I played for the short game, never knew I was getting involved with the long game. At this point in time, all that’s left is to let sensations fly everywhere. My sensations are deeply rooted in infinite intelligence. I’ve kinda lost the whole human vibes and customs. So I’ll see how I play it from sensations

@LastThursday in its rawest sense, I just have to let my life follow where it may. Now I know it’s about direct experience only. I’ll probably just figure it out on my own. I have another teacher and he’s pretty insane lol and then I have myself as a teacher. But even then it’s only direct experience that will count and facilitating the minds processing of awakening. So in a way I’m going to have to make a judgement every second as to how to plan my way around it. Plus I have to give myself time to start up my company and work on the structure of things. I was always going to leave after I understood the depths of enlightenment. I just stayed because I think the people here will do amazing things after they’ve “graduated” <— LOL. Since the forum is a school in the end. I just wanted to make sure they understood what’s it means to unconditionally love properly. It doesn’t mean you do nothing and be happy in your enlightenment. The highest forms of enlightenment ARE helping people because they are you especially the unconscious ones! There just seem to Be a lack of understanding of the deepest possibilities of enlightenment. Now it’s done, and I’ve grounded in god’s mind and infinite intelligence/ infinite creativity. I can find my way around from here as I was doing years before I came across self actualised. .Org. Its like they say, when you’ve felt touched by something, you feel the need to want to give back and that’s the same with enlightenment. When you have the deepest enlightenment. You’ll want to give back by putting yourself out there, why? Because who’s there to fear ahah it’s all you! I’ll probably jump back onto enlightenment like 20 years from now. Because I would have accomplished most of what I wanted to do, so I’ll probably have the free time. Finding holes and loop holes in systems Is kinda my thing, so it was only a matter of time before I told enlightened people they aren’t enlightened to the fullest ? Befitting talent for the prince of hell.

@LastThursday my friend, it goes much deeper than You think. Maybe it’s stablity so maybe one day I’ll become traditionally enlightened. But the deeper aspects of enlightenment are no where near projectsble to my lifestyle. In a way I have found truth. So I’ve done what I came here to do. Hence I’ve been trying for the echo chamber. Now the flow is open. My own prediction is coming true. I just had to see how it all fit together and now I understand .

?? Always here in spirit after I give up. No stopping the echo chamber ahah! You are all going to become great saints! Ahah love you all great speech Mandy. Bi-eyeeh

@zeroISinfinity WHAT THE FUCK, ??? all it took was one comment from Leo LOL! I worked months on this man ? seperate state to now : And no Leo and nahm are not fully awake. Do you even know how much effort it takes to embed a facet Lol. Nahm cant even tell me what absolute infinity is LOL! Do you know how far I’ve tried to expand my consciousness. It won’t go past 2 cm, LOL! I can’t feel god’s mind. That’s what you have to do after becoming absolute absolutes. That’s when you start to feel reality. It continues forever just like how it feels to move your finger, that’s how it should feel for you and absolute infinity. I’ve been trying for like 2 hour so nows now this is when I personally think your fully awake. When you feel that “buzzing. Warm” feeling throughout the whole of reality. It happened when you attached yourself to your body. So after enough years you’ll attach to absolute absolutes. Should happen just like all the other “gods”

@Nahm alright, I don’t know either. I don’t know anything. You don’t know anything. Just two peas in a pod. ? thanks for your help

@LastThursday yeah it seems like you might be right. I’ve given up anyway with this whole thing. Spirituality it too tough for me.