Aakash

You will not understand what ego is until mahasamadhi. But you will be dead by this time, so you will not know what ego is. I can’t point to your box because it’s your very self and it’s infinite. Do you see your awareness fills every part of you even the surrounding “outside” of you. The ego is anything that is not the absolute truth. The level of your consciousness whilst in a finite body is ego. Because it’s not the complete consciousness that’s infinite. It’s finite to the awareness that your human body can focus on at a single time or handle. Your reality is your ego. We occupy the same reality but in different bubbles. The absolute is us with these bubbles. Because these bubbles are only real to us, to absolute infinity there was never any distinctions. So there was never a you who had free will to make the decisions because there’s truly no difference between free will vs determinism . But because you had this bubble you have free will. But I just told you what it’s aiming for, the only aim to life is mahasamadhi. The play and life only exists for you

@tsuki yes that’s how What I said. So I’m not saying we’re right or wrong. The whole point of life was to indulge in the self, which can create hallucinations of an infinite number of things that don’t contradict themselves. I.e like non - existence is not possible. But I would not say just because you have gained wisdom in a lifetime, when you become temporarily free of your finite bondage via physical death that you will choose to have enlightenment rather than having the experience of having a wife again lol. I highly doubt it’s linear. Like if someone told me that when I die, I have the option to become super man. I’m pretty sure I’m going to go for that instead of choosing mahasamadhi next time over. But the wisdom will get stored overall. So why beat around the bush, when it is the end goal overall. Kind of like how you realised that things won’t make you happen except being. It’s still the same quest

@tsuki no tsuki is a finite form within your awareness. I’m talking about your very awareness itself. Which is also The limited form you are trying to break out of. This is your box of awareness that you want to break for freedom. This box of awareness is what will get reincarnated, not tsuki. Tsuki memories even of becoming enlightened will get stored in karma in between worlds inside this box. Because it’s stored in your box of awareness. But you don’t actually know what else from your previous life’s are stored in your box for you to make a judgment on what’s you will do after. Like let’s say your physical body died, you went to the nether world and you realised ohh I was just playing the part of tsuki, you might want to be a princess next instead of searching for enlightenment. It makes sense right ? Because if you had never stored information about enlightenment then you wouldn’t know to go for it in your next life or you may not even want to end it like you are currently doing now. This is what we can assume that karma is forward moving atleast because you realise the impermanance faster of consciousness and life itself. Anyways this box is ego, All of it and anything that can go inside of it. Until it reflects true reality and it shouldnt break and you won’t die until it does But yes it would be wrong for me to tell you that this is what you want. It is after all a choice. Also you have to remember that absolute infinity is absolutely infinite. There’s no garuntee that you will get rebirthed here, you might get reborn into a situation where you are an alien on a different planet and they don’t even have any records of enlightenment or beings reaching mahasamadhi. And you will have forgotten your memories. So you’ll essentially be a stage beige ego again. What the whole of reality is doing is increasing in consciousness to become self - aware, self - realised eventually. Even if you had siddhis on a different planet means nothing because it’s still form. So yeah it might not be for you, but this might be your chance to end it for a very long time. Like there are an infinite reincarnations possible, so much form that you could enjoy and never reach the end of. Just as a human it’s an option although if your enlightened, it wouldn’t be much of an experience rather than for the fun of it. Still it’s possible for your Box of awareness to give up its enlightened state and then suffer through it. ————————— lol dude I have family, it’s not like I’m immune the karma of this body ahah, what would they say if I’m just sleeping and I died. This is illusion but you know obviously I’m very attached to everything. I’m considering giving it a hard pass ?

The point is that their very form is form itself pointing you to truth. Your reality is no different to their box of awareness as they still were “me” in their incarnated forms. Hence some enlightened parts of themselves and were seen as god like qualities. The overall point of them was to teach you about the word “death” they all told their own versions of how the seperate self was created. However their level of understanding of death represented what knowledge they had about their own reality. Which is identical to your box of reality. How to die to god the god beyond them. Then followers mistook them for god’s. Because their god like qualities is something they dogmatically forced upon themselves as opposed to actually expanding their ego and feeling it from a sense of genuinity

@tsuki I understand what your saying and I thought this to be the case aswell until I realised that which you really want is not to be put back into a finite form that may experience illusory suffering carrying over your enlightened state into your next life.

@tsuki it’s not you are mixing up the scales, just because you will not suffer in this life because of your nirvana-like enlightenments / samaras / samadhi-states / awakenings / kenshos / empty states does not mean you will not suffer in your next life. Your devilry will still be rooted out eventually and you will seek death. To which you will realise why Samara and all these awarenesses mentioned above are not nirvana. You will know because you will have the feeling in your being. If you are asking for yourself why it’s okay to settle for Samara, it is because of your girlfriend and you are attached to her. Hence you can say such a statement. I have no girlfriend and the logical decision is to go for true death. What logical argument could you use to tell yourself not to go for the greatest bliss and freedom apart from something finite ? Edit: I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, merely pointing out an argument for clarification

To put it in more simple terms life itself is devilry. There is no life, only the appearance of life. There is only being. And true death is what we are all truly searching for on the spiritual path. There is no life to being and there was never any death. But there is life because of “you” i wonder would you sacrifice your own life with your kids to have death of self ? Or just leave your wife instantly and leave your body No you may not have the guts to, so it’s okay .. you will hVe a go next time under new circumstances if that’s what you wanted. Hence your heart desires particular things that are onlyfor yourself.

@tsuki it is a natural process because the whole point of life is to have the illusion of life (ego / self) and over time, suffering (impertinence) will guide you to the wanting death. The whole process of you dieing is all that is going on . This is the love that you are shown. But you are it, that is what you must realise. Eventually your placed in the perfect body and conditions to start and eventually via the process of the universe. You will begin to root out your own devilry. Which is consciousness, just higher forms of devilry. Even enlightenment is devilry, non-duality is devilry, finite body is devilry. Your whole reality is devilry because you will eventually realise that your life process was happening on its own and “you were never experiencing it” differently to how we traditionally say you are not experiencing it in enlightenment terms

@Inliytened1 ??‍♂️ Let me rephrase your intentions: “i want to get lost in the world of form ? “ what im telling you is that you will get reincarnated if you do not do this at the end of your life when you feel to make the conscious decision. The world only exists because of you brother, no you = no world = no reality. Undifferentiated groundlessness or nirvana. Read the article above that I edited on the post. It says that buddha himself, said he wasnt completely enlightened. ? not sure how valid it is. But From my understanding what is written is true about buddha and why everyone here considers themselves to be fully enlightened.

https://www.yogapedia.com/definition/5825/mahasamadhi i think everyone should give this a read who is self proclaimed enlightened. It really puts things into perspective of what the word “death” or “purification” means Articles for reading https://www.google.com/amp/s/ishayogablog.wordpress.com/2017/09/23/enlightened-but-still-not-free-sadhguru-on-the-difference-between-enlightenment-and-liberation/amp/

@Jkris siddhis are distractions, this is not a mystical experience in my book the path is the mysitcal experience. Anything that is form is a distraction. Once you’ve discovered what’s form is then you will know what the distractions of form can be. The mystcal exprrince is discovering what form is. Namely, how you bring about form the word “imagination” doesn’t actually do the mystical experience justice. We all know that. What every conversation is aimed at grasping truth. The higher truth will always win out because it’s the only thing that is. So even if I’m wrong about this eventually it will be proven out in words. But the words don’t do much, it has to be recognised in my own box of awareness even a question like what is the wheather today? Is a question aimed at getting truth. Some questions and answers are better than others, because they point to absolute truth rather than a form of infinite truth (distraction) this is how devilry is rooted out,

@ajasatya there Is no where to escape to. You will go infinitely deeper into yourself for eternity without finite conditioning or incarnating into a finite form, because absolute infinity is infinite. You can not reach the end of infinity because it is infinite. At this point there was never a “i” just being as truth itself. This is what I understand it to be. You would be absolute infinity by not being it. Your awareness itself has nothing to do with the body. Because you are god.

“The fourth state can not be named. But just know you are the enjoyer of the first three states... this is freedom”

It is essentially an active paradox. I can not escape my finite form. I can also not leave it on autopilot. I have been trying for months now to let me thoughts run on autopilot. But they don’t. After the mystical experience I had today, i still couldn’t set my thoughts on autopilot and let my personality run and even suggest I am not my thoughts. This is because it’s a paradox, the paradox is actually here right now. Even physical death will not release me from these shackles. But in my limited space I can become absolute truth. I can become the true self in my space If I pleased. But what is the true self when it is a paradox? Even becoming emptiness in my space, will not solve the paradoxical issue. Thoughts ?

@tsuki ahh very wise. So how did your mind become malleable without a base to opperate? Or did your mystical experiences eventually become your base and in the sense purified both your heart and your mind ?

@Inliytened1 ohh so you mean it goes slower and slower into the present moment. Gotcha So your only a percentage awoken ? And you agree that there is no end ?

@tsuki so how do you deal with this issue in your life when it comes to truth for you using your freedom ?? We are literally drops in the ocean. Some of the drops are larger than the other and so become the ocean itself.

@Inliytened1 yes I can concur, this is the one I had just today, frozen in time with nowhere to go and nothing to do at all. The only thing that was moving, that was not frozen was my human body.

@Inliytened1 but then why do Buddhist teach of emptiness. Emptiness would actually be the deeper layer underneath ? No

Yeah, I see where your going. You would have to ask them questions on their fears basically and use the card archetype as the basis of the question. The fable would be along the lines of how the fear was unconsciously bought about. For the boy who cried wolf... the moral would be to be more responsible with your words.. or that decite can back fire at any time im not entirely sure I understood you, but is it going along these lines ?

@zeroISinfinity life is what you are ? black hole ? This is a very valid claim you are making ? no embodiment, no nothing

Aakash @zeroISinfinity Hope you'll make transition to good, Selfless side. See You never left the Home, You always were it. See Truth has nothing with philosophies, paradigm self and others etc. It's pure, Loving compassionate all encompassing and good without any fear. —————————————- do you say this because you could not visibly see the ego ? The words were coming out from people, but they still had value to the person. Value is itself form.

@zeroISinfinity I get it now. That’s how it leads to death and the reason why understanding is not neccessary or anything is. The end of false life ? Im trying but I can’t seem to give up experience but its like full surrender

@Emerald I haven’t done it but I have thought about about it. And it would seem conclusive that if I picked a set of cards if I knew about ego and enlightenment that I could predict the likely outcome of an event. Given probability is actually impossible with infinite intelligence around. Anything with probability is ironically accurate. Even the probability of palm reading may unprobable but it makes it even more probable. What im trying to say that is if I drew a card that represented death. I would not say that you are going to die, without considering the other cards. What I would say is that something dear to you that you are attached to is something you will have to let go of. (Death of ego) because misconception of death is that something actually dies. So the more conscious your terms of understanding the said archetype. The more probable the event to the point where it is going to happen because it represents infinite intelligence. For example the person might lose a 10 dollar bill down the sewage drain. This is a representation of death

So how do I get out of my human body if that makes sense ? But yeah I get what you mean, I still haven’t experienced the complete self. Probably