Aakash

and what about formless?

@remember are you saying that heart = emptiness?

At this point, i find that i'm quite fine to say that being itself is pointless for me, pointless prescribes its own inherent meaning as you would say ... being is beautiful do you think its because i'm ignorant i say such a thing like lets say i died to truth, would somehow being become such a magical thing when it itself has no qualities how did you deal with this ? i feel like when you realise there was never life or death then its like "ummm so now what" lol it defeats its own purpose is what i'm saying

thats a bald claim my friend, (he said in a curious excited tone) Could you break down what you mean further? i would be interest to see how someone else apart from leo, dissects reality absolute infinity is very hard to dissect accurately, so i'm just interested in the aspects of reality you've realised for yourself i doubt the masters of the past had realised it all, vocabulary and language play a huge part in expressing. some realised the absolute, but not all of them knew absolute infinity , they each had partial knowledge about it in the end, they were humans being perceptive just like we are doing now, but who knows. If you got beings finding 114 chakras lol who knows what that even means for the spread in absolute infinity that we can access as humans. it could potentially be all of them to be honest, now i think of it lol.. but what does that even mean 114 chakras lol just sounds like an amazing feat for someone to reach when we only found 7

@Key Elements Only one way to find out buddy thanks for ya help

@Serotoninluv i'm not saying no and i'm not saying yes Thanks for the help buddy

i see the situation you didn't want to get put in now with having to say yes or no, by taking my stance i guess i'll just call it undefined until unknown and known simultaneously. "questions of the mind" right LOL thanks newly found confidence

@Serotoninluv i see, thanks

@Serotoninluv just a good conversation thats pointless about pointlessness because its interesting what others think. its like i said .. all you did was answer yes, just within your frame of reference. you've just said the point is being lol you were most helpful my friend, it seems we have the same understanding the situation, reflectively. Not experientially though

@Key Elements also i should probably say that, you are right in the sense that survival doesn't change on the level of absolute infinity. So don't think i don't know where your coming from and all about helping people and raising their consciousness. its all too true. Just after you've found the god particle.

@Key Elements

@Key Elements thank you, i feel better about the pointless aspect of it. So much so that its not pointless, just what it is... tbh to more days that go by, the more dream like it all is. So this is probably why i'm thinking its more pointless than it is. Anyways, i will take the no pathway

Hmm, i guess talking about matters i have no experience in is really a problem. with speculation just provoked by fear of the situation currently in LOL thanks i've learnt alot in

I feel like i've been using the wrong words its pointless for me to be alive as myself rather than the present moment this is what i'm trying to say. does this get resolved by being the present moment. its like i said, i will find out for myself @Mu_ its not about a path, to quote leo, the whole point is to take the 0th step my knowledge is all thrown out the window, i do not know anything officially and literally thats not word play, i'm 100% i do not know. but again when i read your words, this doesn't match the level of pointlessness i'm talking about. Truth itself leads you here, your awakening is like saying "ohh so now things are pointless, now that i've awakened" mines is more like because there is no life and no death, the point of "a - live -ness" is point less lol. Still i guess this is not up for debate, its too abstract. i will see what happens in my direct experience, now that i know i can't turn to the forum to help me express what it is i'm talking about and that pointless ness and pointfulness is also an abstract belief like everyone participating has pointed out. thanks guys, much appreciated once again

@remember This is just the situation of the matter, it's nothing to do with leo's videos. I already am conscious of what the teachings of every spiritualist is pointing to. And the way in which words can not describe it, because it is apart of it. I am also conscious of how i am myself inside it and have imagined myself it instead of being me (" here" ) . However, this is not the same as being it. Which is the point i'm trying to figure out with the thread. i'm just trying to ask the people who are 100% enlightened what their non-experience was like. The point of the pointlessness is.. does being solve all issues relating to pointlessness from the human perspective of god.. it was just confirmation, i'll just take the answer as yes by default of sense of why play the divine play ? No reason lol just for the purpose of being itself and interacting with itself. @tsuki i guess it is what it is Time to take a leap of faith and realise the magnitude of the present moment. it actually annoys me that i don't know what emptiness/ groundlessness / bhraman even though its right in front of me. but then it won't be a realisation. just a being - _ -

@remember what does brutality have to do with what i'm asking ? out of curiosity

I feel like the answer is just "yes, it is its own answer to the question" from the point of view from a human to that of a god. I guess i'll just wait and see what happens just felt like discussing it is all , to get some clarity

I am asking for your non -sensical understanding to tell me (since you are the truth) whether the point of being alone is enough to cure the pointlessness of discovering truth. i feel its so pointless that getting rid of the pointlessness becomes the point and the end point itself, finishing pointlessly and being the very point of it all in the first place. its really a yes or no question. experience is so pointless, that non-experience is also pointless but it seems pointful purely because it is itself. i'm neither nihilistic nor suicidal. maybe a bit of pain because it's so pointless but i could deal with it if i wanted to. since being is an option, i should consider it... alongside remaining in this pointlessness creating my own meaning

@Key Elements Yeah i would prefer not to get into it, i don't like talking about truth anymore to people. Maybe, if i knew it... it would be different. But as i don't .. i was just curious about pointlessness and pointfulness it seems the unanimous decision amongst the participants of this thread is: "truth can not be expressed in duality pointlessness vs pointfulness being is its own point by which is both pointlessness and pointfulness as its pointless itself. This statements includes all three of our answers

@Key Elements There is something wrong with it, it is the ignorance that is special. The ignorance that you know the truth and still choose to be ignorant of its nature. that is why buddha says in his book of scriptures that the 9th fetter is ignorance. Still the buddhas scriptures are only a story we tell ourselves at night for the purpose of identifying truth itself, but this is only to give you context that i'm not intellectually realising a narrative LOL

i feel like you guys do not understand the special type of ignorance that no life or no death places you in. The ignorance is to think that anything has happened when the event has neither arose nor subsided. Still debating about it has helped me to understand that it is what ever it is. I get all of your inherent points now.

therefore it becomes the point by being pointless!

Thanks that meant a lot , that is an answer i can work with There is no embodiment, embodiment of truth occurs through imagination of truth instead of being actual truth. it is a choice i have not made yet if its as you've said then the being is as it should be- both pointless and pointfull to the human being, then that is understandable. it nullifies the question itself, "no point of pointlessness or pointful" Lol which is the point i was trying to get at being becomes its own point, even if it was pointless or pointful you are misunderstanding my intellect, i have no intellectual foundation for truth. its simply just a story we tell ourselves at night. there is merit in making decisions however using theoretical knowledge. Am i making sense or not?

@Key Elements again the passage has merit There is no paradox i believe, the present moment can not have a paradox, actions thrown to the wind but i'm not 100% sure, just speculating

This passage has merit i am not trying to figure out anything per say about pointers and what the truth is i am asking about the notion of being pointless is its own demise into true being. And then whether the true being reflects this pointlessness and the human being is some how magically okay with the pointlessness and suddenly finds themselves either pointlessness themselves or it goes full circle and being becomes pointful. even to say awakening others is such a pointless act, from my current perspective