Aakash

@zeroISinfinity Transcending the ox as the zen masters say

@StephenK Aha no problem,

@StephenK LOOL its not even subjectitive, its just obvious. but sure at the end of the day, its subjective ahaha

@StephenK just not wife material as a collective species , white woman are the hottest its pretty much a given. But at the same time, i can't answer your questions because were dealing with my subconscious mind, i've never actually shined light onto it because there was no need to. Like when i say something, its different when i consciously say it because it would be naive to assume the collective is true for individuals and that majority of the individuals of the collective. So its a partial view, letting the negatives outway the positives. like my consciousness will deny ever saying it, because i don't actually believe it. it's just on a deeper cognative subconscious layer.

@StephenK i am, but i'm saying its a cultural issue. (not only applies to me) So where as i can admit it, others will not. see?

@StephenK it’s a preference with infinite casual chain. I’m merely giving an observation into the collective psyche. I don’t actually hate people. But as a collective Hindus hate everyone which is ingrained in each culture

@Key Elements yeah marriage is no different to politics you want everyone to be in the same spiral dynamic stage as you. When you bring in a new family, it’s random what Center of gravity they can have as a whole family including extended family

@StephenK What did you mean by sick , good or bad? lol ahh it’s not even like any of us knew it was being inferred in my community. I’ve only become cognisant of it now. I doubt anyone else is cognisant of it besides people it is affecting. Its not exactly that people say these exact words to you, their intentions behind the words kinda gives of a resonance and I feel like it’s absorbed into your subconscious. Someone with the accumulation of lies we all tell ourselves as a community stacked up it, this energy becomes subconscious belief shared amongst all of us. That even we don’t realise we’re saying it

Meditation can be deceptive wholesomely. It’s like playing the lottery, some people get lucky and some people don’t. I never wanted to play that lottery because I have monkey mind. It wasn’t for me

@StephenK thanks ahaha that means a lot

@Serotoninluv I’m not gonna lie I think if we get into it somewhere I’ve picked up the belief that white Women are slags and I will end up in divorce if I did marry one. Its fear mongering on behalf of my community. I wonder if this energy has just been built into our genes as you’ve said subconscious preferences. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is embedded into all Indians like I wasn’t told directly otherwise I would remember. I feel like it’s just a thing that was transmitted without saying. Kinda thing by just saying words like ohh don’t marry them just marry Indians, it’s honest easier etc .. etc (No offence to anyone of course)

@abrakamowse the chances of me marrying a white person even by choice is like 1% . Lol that is how much culture is ingrained into my head. And that’s by “choice”. It becomes what you think you want without any second guessing of other options such a highly illogical action and yet im 99% sure of it lol nothing to do with genetics just beliefs i don’t even have remorse to say the statement it seems quite logical. I wonder, what does it look like from the outside ? Am I racist without knowing it ? (Genuine question)

Truth - the only thing that's truly damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'm not suggesting anything, the very notion of suggesting or pointing is inconvenient, truly damned if you do and damned if you don't. However, everything seems good for you so its all good. I'm simply just throwing caution to the wind for however i long trail and error takes

@remember did you realise you were flipping loads of coins to get where you are now? "meditation, nothing, everything, emptiness" flipping flipping flipping flipping the problem with flipping coins at the end of the journey is that you've already gone one step too far, now your going two steps too far better to flip the coin, then to go three steps too far you know what they say 3 step forward 1 step back. " the game of truth isn't to flip a coin, the game is to know when to flip a coin and when not" we all have different circumstances and so we all need different coins to flip, but its when we don't flip a coin that magic starts to happen.

@remember my real answer is neither, i just choose one of the two options. anyways its like i said we wont meet eye to eye because your blindsided by your heart and i am blindsided by my head its just a matter of flipping a coin at the highest levels

neither such is the nature of paradox, you end up right where you started

@remember i admire your honesty about the situation, i can finally admit i do not see eye to eye with many forum member. Whether this is a misfortune on my behalf is something i must witness for myself. It seems i tried to alleviate all risks, however, there's no more risk i can mitigate further. that's good that you aren't dogmatic, it sounds like that from our conversation we've had today. its a matter of flipping a coin at the end of the day I am sure of one thing and that is that the truth doesn't need to be contained in anything because its right here. its just a matter of flipping a coin correctly.

@remember I don't feel like you have escaped buddhism and dogma, once you realise the truth of the matter as i call it, there is no reason to quote scriptures or teachings. I can't really affirm whether you said that believing it to be true or not. it sounds like you did There is a logic behind the buddhist scriptures, i don't think you've understood what emptiness actually means. This is why i'm hesitant to say we 've met eye to eye. Still i personally have no way of knowing. so for the way the scales are tilted at the moment, i will give you the better experience call. So we will call yours emptiness. This is because i might be myself over emphasising emptiness, see? so it would be monkey mind for me to consider my position legitmate at this point without the experience behind it. when several people on the forum have also experienced what you are now. Still you bought up the importance of a pathless path. However, i don't think our interpretations quite synced up, but it could if you understand what i'm trying to imply by the question below. I'm just interested in people's journeys and how they vary so much, so i asked. but my question is still the same on your pathless path what did you focus on ? edit: i don't mean to be rude if that's how i'm coming off, just inately curious about experiences to do with truth.

@remember i understand what your saying, i personally feel like we have not met eye to eye. However, we have and all at the same time, i have no way to knowing because i do not know myself what i am talking about just yet. Still you have helped me out a great deal with inquiring into other people's experience. I guess at the end of the day, we just take the route which only we know to take. choosing wisely is valuable. one question that will solve this all though is what did you focus on when you were on the journey ?

@remember i believe words have lost meaning at this stage and even asking questions about what other experience to be truth, thanks for the conversation,

@remember does this view also extend to those on the path themselves in your opinion ? you sound like your talking about people who don't start a spiritual journey, i'm talking about those on the spiritual journey themselves, choosing a path wisely.

@remember interesting way of phrasing it, i like it. in your opinion, why do you think people don't understand this issue about choosing paths wisely Yes, however you arrive at that result. (i suspect what i have in mind is similar or the same as this)

i think i'm following your words, not sure i like the way they are worded using body parts. But it builds an interesting picture in my mind the hands are apart of every tradition, it is a crossing point on the journey. This is what i'm asking you, buddha did not actually take a path, he started off on a traditional path and then discovered emptiness himself, you don't see it like this ? and to answer your question, the emptyness of the hands is the heart itself. there is seperation as long as there is a path, it can not be any other way, but no there isn't actually.

@remember i'm afraid i don't understand what you meant by this are you talking about a physical heart or heart = emptiness?

@remember and you have found the heart, without taking the path?