Aakash

@DoTheWork one question so you did all of that reached enlightenment, but you are enlightened in the sense that you know what the present moment is??

@DoTheWork "NOW I HAVE A BIGGER FISH TO FRY!!!! I AM ON THE PATH OF FORGETTING ENLIGHTENMENT!!!! And that is a lot more difficult than awakening... See you in 20 years.... Until my awakening to "NORMAL-ness" happen." I garuntee it will do exactly that i have confirmed it absoutely, just finding another viable source to confirm it, but it works, just get as close as you can and when leave the rest to fate yeah it will probably take 20 years and i will say this perfection is important, its not in the doers hand

@zeroISinfinity HMMM your right, i'm sorry... This information is not much help to me in the end, i thought it was what i was looking for, but somehow my body reacted to it because it eliminated one of my options. Need to assess which one it did. should have known it wouldn't have been this simple @DoTheWork still what i said to you is the way out. up to you if you try it out, thanks for the information. I'm sure it was important for my path. Really appreciate you contributing your experience. also really loved the passion!, you still have not really realized how pointless it is. I apologise for getting excited, i don't resonate with messages much on the forum, this one i did so i got extra excited. Sorry.

@zeroISinfinity its not, you still have not realised the absolute truth. Thats why you don't understand what i mean when i say pointlessness. Its nothing to do with buddha, no purpose , no meaning , no desires, none of that. That is not the reason why. This is a result of becoming enlightened you say this , you haven't experienced why it is actually pointless as a human. Unlike this guy has .

haha that's great you've realised this and here's the escape route: the practice is: "focus on not focusing but realising that even not focusing is still an attempt at focusing" This all comes from the fact that people misunderstand form= formlessness and means and what absolute infinity is.

@VeganAwake you didn't notice a distortion yeah an illusion that's real .. that's how this whole forum views it. direct experience = IS AND IS NOT you can't escape it lol

@astrokeen okies death to JAGADISH

@VeganAwake what you said was "i am an illusion, that illusion is something, it is " this is what you told yourself, what did you think of the article?

@astrokeen LOL what you mean is that sadhguru's teachings are non-dualism put forth in nationalistic and Hindu terminology. Much different statement to what you wrote no comment on the rest of the stuff

https://www.learnreligions.com/enlightenment-and-nirvana-449967

@TheAvatarState Yes I sorta get what your trying to say. Except you never arrive at mu, the practice is itself unattainable. To arrive is to go from this is why it’s not mu or pure awareness.

@Salvijus there you go, now your starting to catch on. See the problem now ? , the limitation is made up the mind is made up now see the possibility ? Of what buddha meant by nirvana and why he did what he did ?

@VeganAwake yes this is not about stillness, stillness is within consciousness or absolute infinity. Yes those moments will be dead, that is the point. Yes the subconscious mind may still play but this is besides the point. The forced stopping is the important part. Thinking is a survival mechanism. You must acknowledge that nothing has happened. This is when thinking has stopped. Its close, certainly the first piece of information found that I resonate even the slightest with. Thank you it was a great help i have a return piece of information, what does your experience tell you about this article? https://www.learnreligions.com/enlightenment-and-nirvana-449967

@TheAvatarState what does that mean ?

@tsuki I agree, with the word play but i don't want to confuse language for what i'm talking about to focus, is an action an action aware of to not focus, is an action aware of to relax , is an action aware of to surrender , is an action aware of do you intuit how this is wrong for the practice?

@zeroISinfinity your not acknowledging the practice i've put before you as legitamate, "focus on not focusing but realising that even not focusing is still an attempt at focusing" your telling me to do a practice, as if there is something i can focus on. do you see the contradiction here? anyways its okay, it doesn't matter anymore ... i'm not here to persuade anybody on this forum, just trying to find someone who's experience relates to what i've said.

@VeganAwake i checked it out, because i'm interested in enlightened beings and you are one. So to get more information on you, i checked it out it had some interesting points, but it was just talking about absolute infinity. I couldn't distinguish it from what i was talking about because it's like i said.. its a hard problem. you don't need to emphasis it, you are correct there is nothing to attain since it already is what you've said above, is the exact same definition as mine.. yet we can't agree and you still never acknowledged what i said about the non-method legitmate. is that your final answer? what i said is illegitimate? about "focus on not focusing but realising that even not focusing is still an attempt at focusing"

a quote from leo life purpose course "people try to prove the teachings wrong like they know better, because they want to prove they are right. if you disagree, that is fine. But if your going to take a course you have to open your mind up to the possibility of dropping everything you know and taking in everything of that teaching."

@zeroISinfinity who knows lol i feel like doing it, just because i'm so annoyed that i can't agree with anyone about truth.. that's the only positive 24 hours. and let me know

But do you see, this defeats the point of having a life , you won't even realise god yourself because you'd be god. There would be no realisation you'll just be nothing. That's it,

@VeganAwake although what you can be correct in multiple ways. There is actually only one "hard problem" with consciousness or absolute infinity, its: what does it mean to go outside of consciousness. we each only have one direct experience, each attempt we consider outside of consciousness, but actually it still falls within consciousness. This is how your statement above is true. The correct attempt is to make no attempt, but what does this look like ? see how do we make an action that is not an action, it all comes down to this line here "what did you focus on" ... The realm of no focus is nirvana but when i try to imply it to people using indirect words, i get told to practice but this becomes a paradox what did you mean by practice? what did you mean by meditate? if they truly understood, one can simply just say the words i said above, it can be explained... but it can't because i think what people consider to be no focus is still something attained within consciousness, but they haven't realised it themselves. it would go something like this: "focus on not focusing but realising that even not focusing is still an attempt at focusing" but i haven't heard these words yet. and if i do i assume they're still in indifferent reality as opposed to undifferentiated reality.

? failing at finding the final form of consciousness, so I don’t actually solve my issues as I go through them. Failure on my part ? Not sure, isn’t the best way to go straight to the end ... get that understanding. Then come back and solve all your issues with the correct understanding ? After building up an understanding of that understanding ? this is my assumption

How to live a profound life LOL that's what self-actualised.org is about. jesus christ a manual book for life How to combat reality when its truly groundless i feel like going back to my roots because there's nothing stopping me now that i realise truth is groundless and that my coin flip choice is simple and has nothing to do with reality.... then it finally hit me, then i wouldn't live a profound life of trying to have an awakening to infinite intelligence or infinite love ahahaaha, its unlimited free choice at the end of the day in groundless reality lol

your right thanks i've decided my coin flip now FATE and FAITH thats the commonality of all of the five enlightenment experiences We all just let the wind takes us where it blows. then we toot that horn this is FAITH We all says ours is the correct one, but the paradox is you cant live the same route as someone else, so which one is right? this is FATE This is the metaphysical problem with a holon. its inescapable even to itself. mathematically direct experience (i) = direct experience [ ]2 direct experience (ii) = direct experience [ ]2 direct experience [ ]1 = direct experience [ ]2 ( direct experience (i) = direct experience (ii) = direct experience [ ] 1) = direct experience [ ]2 take what you will from that, it is the mathematical proof for fate see its inescapable, all parts of the holon lead back into the whole of the holon which lead back into the part of the holon to infinity. to the point that even fate itself, faith bestowed to be "truth" would still face the exact same issue. Exactly how this message isn't being transmitted into your mind. because direct experience [ ]2 won't allow it for direct experience its groundless period to relative realities. its ground to a single reality.

@VeganAwake haha "everything is one" the only words used by all beings to describe their direct experience (is and is not) ... is one oddly enough, i like what you've said through out our conversation. meditative falling away sounds like an action or focus, but i guess its not at the same time. one can''t be too picky when were dealing with less than 1% of the population thanks buddy, there seems to be 5 different enlightenment experiences, each proclaiming theirs is the right and entire one. LoL we just playing roulette with each other.