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@Pouya Is that because you understand the illusory nature?

what makes you want to pursuit this goal?

@kieranperez this is exactly the same situation i'm in and i choose the dumb-mind in the now version of myself, complete silence is literally deathly to my ego and i can feel it. How have you gone about strategising it?

@purerogue i finally understand what leo meant when he said the zen book he talked about was for serious monks who wanted to become enlightened, this is pretty much the difference between people who imagine fantasies about enlightenment and the actual truth of the matter. well good luck to all of you on your journey. Out of curiosity are you looking to move countries or stay in the same country to complete your journey?

Ohh boy where do I start okay? Problem – the problem is even after full enlightenment and one realises everything Is indeed an illusion, it is in itself is freedom from bondage as you understand yourself as the big self. Continuing along this notion even realising full enlightenment does not garuntee one thing. It is how to live life after this must be done according to adhering to the strict disciplines of methods and techniques one used to get to where they are now. The problem that continues to follow is there embodiment. If we consider non-duality. It means one … there is no need to go out there and solve problems and raise other you’s consciousness as you have declared that everything is beautiful and perfect. ON THE other hand, the problem I proposed above has not been solved. Let me continue with an example through method 1) Look at your watch or clock 2) Notice the tick moving in the actual present moment 3) Observe the illusion that is time 4) 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s … 1m 2m 3m 1 hour 2 hour 3 hour 1 day 2 days 5) This Is direct experience and observation 2nd example 1) Look at the mcdonalds sign or your favourite food 2) Notice that it is just a pixel on a screen or the very thing infront of you 3) Observe the illusion that is what you are looking at colours, shape, etc.. etc. 4) Question what is the illusion that my mind is psychologically producing 5) This is the self-deception that leo is talking about 6) This is direct experience and observation You see the part that is missing for full buddahood is the that saying everything and nothing is an illusion in your conceptual direct experience Example … I see illusion , I see illusion, I see illusion is what your mind is probably conducing in these states of very high conscious levels that you are currently at. However, there are still millions of levels higher to go within your direct experience. The method I am talking about is the method of observing something for thousands of hours to see the illusion itself. Once you see the illusion , it gets embedded in your awareness completely and not conceptually. Yes it is true we are one thing but there are still alternating levels of seeing the present moment that is now To express this mathematically My consciouslevel I---------------I--------------------I--------------------I---------------------------I LEO’s current level I------------------------------------------------I------------------------------------------------I Yousefs current level I-----I----------I--------------I-------------I--------------I-------------I------------------I-I-I-I Nahms current level I----------------------------------------------------I---------------------------------I------------------ Ivankiss current level I----------------------------I----------------------I------------------------------I------------------I Anton current level I------------------I------------------------I------------------------I------------------------I------- Pretoms current level I-----------------------------I--------------------------------I----------------------------- (don’t take them personally, I have no way to actually state what they are, they aren’t even assumptions. Just merely using names for demonstration purposes) What this shows is that our conscious levels are varied even though we all know the same truth and are at the same exact place, I personally feel in our embodiment Buddah current level ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These I signs represent the now, we are all in varying degrees of now. The path to buddahood itself requires you to continue to break illusions by directly observing the illusions for hours on end until every self-deception is embodied at a cellular level. THIS IS DEVELOPMENT the stage after enlightenment- which we all know is not the final thing so per say. This is what it means by raising your consciousness daily - Eating 1 or 2 times a day - Sleeping at 10pm and waking up at 5pm - Continue meditating and self enquiring into nothingness This is one type of buddah because they are increasing all of consciousness by their very own practices, this is what true non duality means. There is no need to produce life purposes like the one I have chosen for myself to build schools in third world countries as some of you may have read. This is contradictory to true non-duality. BECAUSE you can do the exact same thing by being consciousness itself and raising your own consciousness. You will be going into a deeper now. What you will find is you will start to develop psychic abilities by definition of not knowing what it is but really it is just different levels of consciousness through development of self and direct observation of illusions. Consciousness is infinity and so is nothingness. But separating what is actual now from psychological nows will raise your consciousness higher and higher and higher and higher. Until well I can only hypothesis the more you let go and do this life long practice by yourself. You will discover consciousnesses that are not even currently available to humanity and be able to explain them as illustrations through your direct experience. My point or solution is: the road is infinite there is no end what ever stage you think you are at now, there is always a greater now to observe. Observation is awareness and the only tool by which direct experience can arise. So I conclude: it is a choice that one must wake. Dive into infinity or stay at their currently level to fulfil their life purpose. Some may even create the life purpose to attain buddah hood which is a term for the highest possible state that one achieved in this lifetime. The unfortunate thing is that if you stop, this is a self-deception you are implying on yourself. Enlightenment was seeing past the illusion Development is diving into the dark without knowing what to expect This is indeed the deepest insight I can give YOU guys, I have decided that I have gone as far as I need to complete my life purpose. But imagination is infinite, this is truly and is only the start of the road to infinity when you have broken the barrier to an enlightenment. There is always one more step you just have to keep inquiring to find out what it is ? happy new now. i can't help you past this point, its just down to your radical openmindedness and direct experience to see if its correct or not! aswell as the path you wish to take in your lifetime. ALL I KNOW is were all in this together by definition ahaha :') i love you all

@How to be wise i've experienced why you are aiming for clear mind, and silence. Aswell for any of you who are on this path. I have a question, are non of you scared of the leap of faith?. I've only come to realise what this will entail, even if its a self-deception conceptualisation at best at this current frame point in time. But to live life with the clear mind and all your sketisim answered. Like my ego is definately against that at all odds for sure i can sense that.

Not for non duality reasons, just generally having a kudalini awakening in your life through meditation?

@ivankiss wow thanks; i didn't even realise the potential benefits were this great. How do you go about doing it , just sticking with and identifying with the circle of meta-energy located at the position of the chakra until you sort out those types of things in your life?

sold it nicely, could you give just one solid example so i could understand how it reflects back in day to day life?

@brugluiz i can sorta relate to what your saying to be honest, i'm not sure whether i would have called myself an empath. But what you write does explain alot of features i've felt in my life. Do you go around saying after how did this person not realise this or did you not realise how this person felt to another person or thinking thats not really what she means ?

@brugluiz @Smika what does it mean to be an empath in both of your eyes?

i literally had this same mind attack today , i call it the stage where you realise what silence/ stillness really means!

Yes you are both your higher self and your lower self. when you are more conscious of your actions and thoughts, this could be claimed to be the "higher self" that people so eloquently put it. For me personally, it definately worked finding my higher self, but sustaining it is rather difficult i find

@theking00 just because you feel like your not being your higher self, doesn't mean your higher self is not guiding you to find yourself. The process in indeed quite long and drawn out, but eventually you have to learn to trust your own gut insticts and trust your intuiton, this is what is known as the higher self

@ajasatya could you perhaps give an example of a time you both had to release your beliefs to end toxicity and how you went about doing it so to speak?

@ajasatya would love to see you post on a seperate thread, very interested in your point of view on the matter. I have been debating it with myself for a while and always end up in the same place, which is "yes or no , which should i choose?"

http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/A_Bird_on_the_Wing/Osho-A-Bird-on-the-Wing-00000002.html

I'm not going to continue with kriya yoga or take psychedelics Do nothing is actually a great idea, i was thinking about no mind meditation but you literally mean just sit there and do nothing ahah mindfulness with labelling - what is that? and what is concentration practice

@Mikael89 its nothing to do with osho, osho just publicated the literature

Exactly! its to make your physical processes better and its achieved through direct observation, awareness and education

Oops posted in the wrong thread - http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/A_Bird_on_the_Wing/Osho-A-Bird-on-the-Wing-00000002.html i'm currently reading this, its long and i haven't finished but its quite good!

http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/A_Bird_on_the_Wing/Osho-A-Bird-on-the-Wing-00000002.html i'm reading this right now, it's a good read! really long - i haven't got to the end yet

@Yousef ahaha i didn't even notice that

@zambize for me you can define illusory in many ways A) something that was never there B) something that is not there when its meant to be there C) something that is there but it is not there All three of these things together produce a strange loop paradox in which basically nothing is real Try yourself to think of something that is not contained within these categories ? This is the totality of self-deception. The only thing we can ever consider real is awareness and so no mind without thought awareness must be truth! by definition of there is something and nothing in non duality I didn't illustrate this quite well but i hope it helps you guys

Okay i've read it. Everyone take it from someone who has studied the brain quite intensively, none of this is metaphysics lool! this is what scientist call today neuroplasticising your brain, I self neuroplasticieded my brain and it worked quite well. Yes i encorporated metaphysical questioning into my programming, however! the only thing scientist will never understand is that data gets saved into the fabric of the akashik records. Without the understanding of this the relativety of knowledge that is already known is only attachable to what already exsist within the realms of biological science. This! is the brain neurones we all know and love. The difference is the neurones have nothing to do with metaphysics and only to do with physical adaptation. Metaphysics is stored in akashik records of your OWN being, which is not located within the physical realm. Yes you can neuroplasticied your brain through suggestion. But how things get truthed is within your metaphysical structure and bodies not your physical biochemical being hence the reason it is psychologically illusive. So although its someone true what this enlightened being is saying. it is only put within the physical terms of reality and not in depth metaphysical terms.