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i didn't quite understand what you meant by this. it must be pure accident, because you can never reach it yourself by setting it as a goal.

@purerogue @DrewNows thanks ill take this into consideration

@purerogue yeah thats where i'm at, in a non dual state, but need to find emptiness or experience it atleast once to ground myself. how do you suppose i find emptiness or that true beingness, just meditate? it goes back to my first question, that again its not something you control, you can at best only hope to catch a breakthrough even if its not a full breakthrough like reaching pure emptiness.

@Ethankahn i use them interchangeably when i say these words i mean basically reaching enlightenment is the point you reach the void or emptiness

@tedens what do you mean? if i understood correctly i wouldn't say that your wrong, i didn't know what i was searching for until now and even then a search warrent cannot be permitted yet you still must take the path to search. and this is my point, its simply a single breakthrough that god permits himself. so if your ready to awaken you will awaken but you still must try until then.

@purerogue but doesn't one need to experience the breakthrough of emptiness/nothingness to understand the very nature of being, isn't letting go of control only second best to this, your moves will become in sync i agree, however, you will still not know of the emptiness/nothingness that is actually present @Ethankahn i am not talking about the perspective or percieving a void, when you reach emptiness in your journey, there will be no perspective, but being itself. i don't think leo has had a direct experience of the void, even if he did, he wouldn't be able to talk about it or mention it. there is not the possibility of experiencing it in your direct experience.

Yeah i see, because it is you (god) anyway thanks alot dude

i read some pages of a book and understand the difference, the unitary movement is the awareness moving as a whole movement. but the knower is the underlying nothingness that exsist. so they are different but at the same time, the same thing!

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@Jack River i got confused, but its okay! thanks

@Jack River how are they not the same is what i was really asking?

@Jack River so you accept everything because of the underlying knowingness which is the ultimate truth, you can't divorce the two and therefore you keep the i as what ever experience you experience? and you accepted responsibility for your actions. whats the difference between knowing and movement, i thought they were the same thing?

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@Jack River yeah i'm with you on what you said, so you decide to live in one unitary movement in the now. whilst i'm still not so far ahead in my embodiment, i find it difficult to stay in the unmodulated non activity, or am unable to detach as clearly as you said. but is it really wrong, to remain in conflict with thought-time modulations and end your search there. by this point everything is already an illusion to you, including the past decisions you have made even though you know thats also an illusion after you make the decision.

@Jack River yeah i'm with you thats what i'm dealing with at the moment, but i'm not considerably worried about still being fascinated to the point of scrambled awareness, whats beyond this, that you've experienced. you stay aware of awareness all day long and you never come back to being the story again. would you consider that full detachment from the ego?

@Wisebaxter thats the law of attraction right there, lol!

@TheAvatarState interesting, this does make sense. even if i talk about it in incrimentals of now and making decisions, ultimatley the big picture thinking is what you described. thanks this is actually a huge load of my shoulders agreed who knows what's going to happen! infinite intelligence does

YOU ARE GOD, any decision you make is you BEING god. so it would be god making a low conscious decision, but also the reality of it in absolute terms is, its god deluding himself into thinking hes an ego and either loves killing or needs to kill to survive but even in this scenario YOU ARE GOD. one is the non dual answer and one is the duality answer they're both correct statements

@Jack River yeah agreed i think that is literally what it means to be free of suffering( i count this as liberation) , or do you think theres a blissful state by which no suffering occurs at all when you really embody it?

@Truth Addict dude you should read up more on spiral dynamics, the arguments you make are from a should be like vs should not be like standpoint. but your answer to your questions lie in spiral dynamics, its the best model ever created, i love it

@Wisebaxter a bad or good decision is by your own personal standards, theres no absolute standards, an absolute standard is any outcome even me killing a person, its just very low consciousness decision (if i think my illusory high consciousness is me) aka its relative always, duality is always relative the more you know truth, generally the better decisions you make, of course this is also not the case for example, myself i make terrible decisions even though i know a bit of truth. the only difference is it doesn't define me.

@Wisebaxter you've misinterpretted what hes said, its only a figure of speech put into context, in reality there was never a seperate you as wisebaxter anyway, truth includes all and therefore theres no you that will reincarnate into other objects per se. its the same you who was never born or died (this is what jack is trying to say) the real event of choice comes when you are able not to consider your thoughts as yourself, otherwise your at a lost because you will think you are every thought so in that sense it can be seen as predetermined but in truth, the thought quality you come up with is only govererned by your awareness in the first place and therefore improving the quality of your seperate conscious (as illusion) can be improve the decisions you make in god's eyes i would say it doesn't matter what decision you personally make, the picture as a whole seems like god is becoming more conscious, through the collective effort and not the single indivdual effort. but sometimes you get those unique people that change the course of history the only grounds to consider there to be absolutely 0 free choice is when all your thoughts are sent by god, but its true that our thoughts are governed by our identifications, our environment and circumstances (karmic thoughts). which are god yes, but in progressive terms are completely different to god deciding your thoughts for you. However, if you believe in the higher being model, then the closer your thought channel will be linked directly to god. i would say leo has cleared his thought quality so much due to his kriya yoga, that recieving information from him could be considered embodied direct source, its a tricky one, but yeah.

i has to be aware of a concept called light i has to be aware of a concept called bulb i has to be aware of an action called screw i has to be aware of placement i has to be aware of awareness (infinite self) i has to be aware that i am screwing the light bulb (ego) what else does i have to be aware of to screw the light bulb?

it would be saying i am aware of the words i am aware of the words i am i am aware that i am i am aware that i am god thats how long many awareness it takes the say that loool! 4X AWARENESS

i just realised the law of attraction is basically applying thoughts as illusions in the giant mind of reality no wonder we used to call it vibrations before (materialist paradigm) but its basically you creating your reality once again, normally its subconscious programming and a belief system if i say this x amounts of time , the vibrations will work in reality its illusion densifying your OWN reality affirmations also work in the same way they stack your illusions into the illusion of the mind. way cray (way crazy) - thats actually insanely cool #newagey