Aakash

yeah so i'm asking what that is that is the point i'm trying to get at, how can we explain turquoise, it doesn't need to be in the realm of standardised logic, even if you need to explain it with energy - it is a model, and therefore there is something there to understand. nevermind, i think were just going to go around in circles! we've entered a strange loop- where non of us have enough experience to talk about it, maybe we should quit while were ahead and wait for leo lol

you know when you turn your eyes upwards towards the point on your forehead or 3rd eye and it starts to hurt like you have a migrane after a minute of intensely focusing there. does this mean your 3rd eye is closed?

i don't want to misunderstand, so i'm gonna say i didn't quite get your point what i think your trying to demonstrate is that logic cannot define a truly turquoise world?

mysticism is one of them, what would the others be gaia would be another one, i don't believe non duality is part of this category, like awakening and enlightenment- that is completely different to turquoise. its all the one world views in harmony together, but then realising that they are all pointing to the same thing leads you to expend your efforts into finding non duality.

yellow -the prevailing world order is a function of a) the exsistence of different realityies and b( the inevitable patterns of movement up and down the spiral turquoise - universal force permeates all forms of life , energy, and exsistance ordering their movement changes and patters, preservation of eternal truths and forces of the cosmos in turquoise one not only learns through observation and participation but throguh the experience of simply being. the person trusts intuition and instinct, more expansive thinking everything flows with everything else in living systems interlinked cause and effect, interacting energy feilds and levels of bonding and communication yet to be uncovered seeing everything at once, the first tier with a macro view of the world mutual interdependance while yellow tries to attach function , turquoise detects the energy feild that engulf, and flow naturally yellow connects the dots while turquoise flashes the art of all the colours they learn by becoming fully there, not just studying about it or feeling cozy with anything another approach is through paradoxes turquoise life consists of fractalsm repeating of the micro right through to the macro while it ofter admits incomplete knowledge , its faith that unification is possible and that everything somehow connects to everything else turquoise develops new version of spirituality

Wait i have the spiral don beck book from leo's booklist, let me have a quick flick through to turquoise and i'll quote some of what he says so we can discuss further

@Serotoninluv i'm interested to see what leo says about his discoveries about turquoise. but thanks for your responses they've has helped direct my LP and root it in yellow, since i am unable to comprehend what turquoise is logically at current.

the infinite is not a perspective to take because its the only truth, we could say yes, that it is apart of it by definition of the word infinite. but the infinite does not know of a finite mind, it only knows of itself in truth. i.e there is no such thing as a finite mind, it is a distinction we are creating as a finite self this is "my mind" that belongs to me, this is my "finite mind" then you are projecting onto the self that you have conceptualised for yourself "this must mean that the finite mind is also part of the infinite mind, i know this, therefore the infinite must know this too"

@Serotoninluv that makes no sense from a logical perspective, as it would do. maybe the theme is unity as in like you get to look at the unity from different perspectives, as there is no overarching single perspective

@Jonty infinite doesn't know the finite in the way we understand the finite, i.e this is a chair, this is a mouse and keyboard. the infinite only knows itself as the only thing in reality that exist. your misunderstanding is: you mistake the word IS for UNDERSTANDING the infinite IS everything without any exceptions then your finite mind is creating the duality of understanding vs not understanding infinity and whether it can or can not. the answer is my first line of this reply

@Serotoninluv it would be along the lines of an organism called life, reality, it has to stand alone and not in duality as systems would be duality (such as inflow/ outflow etc) so what are your turquoise level experiences that you can say that its turquoise level mystical experiences? but this is the reason i don't like mysticism being embedded into turqoise, it dilutes the line between turquoise spiral dyanmics (logical) and real non duality, which is no lense. hopefully @Leo Gura you can give some guidance about this thin line

@Serotoninluv so the underpinning nature of turquoise is basically spirituality in a sense, because its the harmonizing nature of one and zero (non duality) this is my current understanding so if we analyse leo's business for a moment, its states that everything in reality is one, but the lenses he shows is of a yellow thinking perspective but because he has shown the interconnectedness between everything as a whole it is basically turquoise. so what is that one integrated whole in your opinion ?

the practical guide to enlightenment what if true non-duality was just being nothingness being human , nothingness being anger, nothingness being happy, nothingness being sad, nothingness being me, nothingness being you, nothingness being itself, nothingness being something, nothingness being nothing, nothingness being total, nothingness being words, nothingness being time, nothingness being future, nothingness being past, nothingness being non duality, nothingness being non duality what if relaxing and being is the only thing that you can do but ofcourse you can't because you always have the problem that there has to always be someone doing lol, and this is incomprehendable to an ego because they are the finite self but what if? you are just being in the literal sense, no connotations, no annotations just being hence you are already enlightened you just aren't conscious of it.

@TheAvatarState thanks i got the context, but i'll watch it anyway- i was just thrown off by chattering finch and water fly ahahah! that my interpretation went out of wack ahah! i always get the easy things wrong and the hard things right nothing new for me under the sun here

a confusing poem when your trying hard to consciously implement meaning but it was very creative and lovely theres only one line i didn't get whats a chattering fince and waterfly like is finch a bird ahah!

@dharm4 i don't see people claiming they're enlightened, to be honest its forbidden to say it anyway on this forum for x number of reasons namely, people will ask you to prove it and there is no way,

@TheAvatarState no it makes complete sense! you are those things in the end! so laugh away at yourself looool! i might start doing the same, since i've gone complete full circle on this journey if you get me, i've arrived at this place 2 times before and deluded myself twice over! hows that for karmic energy and banter! thats an infinite joke right there! i just got your picture, it makes full sense and is quite good, might find my own picture now

@Inliytened1 it so ironic! that believing that there is one letting go is an obsticle itself, but letting go is the only way to get to the truth. i guess this is what is meant by the seeker is the one who is in his own way.

@TheAvatarState LOOOL! so this is what they call the avatar state! then why do you write such things like: AHAHA I'm not gonna lie, if i'm right then its quite creative lol!

@How to be wise but what if fear and anger aren't bad? what if it's pure nothingness BEING anger and fear itself, there in itself is no doership/ something done / or something happening. there is only an illusion of something happening ?

@How to be wise lool i finally think i get it now, your creating a duality where there is none (i the doer am letting the doing do- this is a duality) lol, you are the being itself - so you will think that the soup with piss in it is bad lol

the indivisable is being this is where my self-inquiry has led me. at all times you are nothingness itself. its like the whole point of enlightenment is to reliquish your doership or seperate self true or false? i'm not actually looking for an answer, there is nobody who is asking the question. i just wanted to express my excitement and so i hope you can engage in a brace the question with the full might of your being. and express it in which ever way you feel like you can express it, with your being. like the jello lol, it was a good expression of it. you are inside the jello, but you can not see how you are it.

@TheAvatarState i just came to the realisation that we may this all backwards, everything is nothingness and nothingness is everything its hard to hold both statements in your end at one time, but when you realise they collapse on eachother, it always leaves you with the same thing being.

@Joseph Maynor bare with me, i just had a realisation, about exactly what you just wrote before i came online, its so weird that i can't express it fully, its just that isn't being enough, we are all trying to find lofty ideologies and meaning behind the word enlightenment but at its purest levels, you are nothingness and therefore being itself, when you are sad, you are being sad, when you are happy you are just being happy. what need to write a whole book on enlightenment when the simple truth is that all there is is being. whether some people find the pill to swallow that it may not be your life that you are living- it doesn't change the fact that you are being. relaxing and being is all that there is. its like the whole point of enlightenment is to give up your sense of doership and relish in your true self, which is all but fancy terms, you are still going to be the present moment itself. no attachment to anything is fine, everything is fine. its like the more you do this, the happier and peaceful your meant to become, thats fair to say, but it doesn't matter if your experience was positive or negative, you were still the same thing always being.

or anyone else who has the book for that matter, what chapter are you on?