Aakash

@TheSomeBody the answer to your questions is yes, this time round they were some of the deepest most profound insights i have heard from anywhere. the logic used to work them out was also displayed, was viable and conclusive the suggestions he made about the absolute. i mean i've learnt its still monkey mind but you know they were deep deep insights to how reality works. i'm tempted to say full proof aswell.

i mean i lost the view, but it's been an hour since i had the awakening experience, would this be the proper awakening then even though it was only a glimpse at the truth. dude doesn't it feel like your in a different world when your in the edge of the world and your aware of reality unfolding before you.

YUP glad i'm able to stick up with the language... have you considered there might be deeper to go? to give up the sense of self experiencing reality (if you get what i mean)

@Highest So how long have you been conscious of the edge of the world. mines has been an hour and counting

@Highest WHICH ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS GODDDDDDDDDDDDD/ VOIDDDDDD/ CONSCIOUSNESS

@Highest its ironic that suffering and seeking go hand in hand, i think a new term i'm going to use for self -realisation is "the edge of the world"

@Mikael89 sorry lol i thought i could help, but my logical explanations are not up to scratch

@Mikael89 have you ever taken yourself( ego) out of the equation, life goes on... so this would systematically imply that there is a design outside of our control. The problem here, is that the level of consciousness you have to be at, to take yourself out of the equation is dependant on what you identify with and the level of attachment. once you do, you can see how everything is already out of our hands and things are always going to happen, exactly as they should. this is how you can see that survivial is survival of the design of reality and not the individual you (self (not Self)) perfection is that everything is happening in turn in an infinite sectrum or is happening in eternity, how do we know, again because we are not the ones who are in control and therefore its a transcendance perfection not just perfect but absolutely perfect that you can't even fault it in any way. if humans were given the power of god directly, they wouldn't be able to come up with the design itself and thats why theres no point giving humans the direct power to create anything, unless you willed it yourself (as god) but so far there has been none obviously lol.

yeah, its ironic, you have to realise that i is an illusion, something thats beyond no self, you'll then enter pure awareness from this point your aware of the design of life and that reality is happening even when your not an i, your just aware of it. so its almost like posession, well i say almost because your already possessed because your already god, but its like being re possessed

i think leo is right with this one, science can only accept non duality if they take the personal experiences of people as their subjective measurement and not physical materialist things.

@now is forever by that i mean only important for the survival of reality itself, for invidual perspective that means, whats important to our own survival, your going to have to remind me, whats the one thing thats truly infinite awareness/god

I just had an awakening SECOND, literally a second where i had a break through of disidentifying with my body mind, and lost the identification I, there is a design because the thought that you are an i, is the very delusion itself. There is no i, at the end of self -inquiry when you try to identify the I, its no longer localised and you can't find it, because you realise it was never there. There is no you, so what happens at this point? well its almost like i merged with the design for example, i went to pick up my tea, but it was all done through reaction and causation links, i.e neurone response, i never actually was the one drinking the tea, it was like being aware of god's design, without even calling it a design, it was just happening if i hyperextend that mode with my logic now and bring back my mind into it now i've seen the design, i would say that suffering is important to let us know that what is important is important.

what do you Really need to worry about then? nothing, so life is good

@FoxFoxFox Yeah i totally get that, that's what i feel like the line of work is, progresing to a stage of complete being instead of a complete thinker. anyways thank you for your help, i've been stuck on these questions for 2 months now without a way to express it until i somehow found the words now! Thank you.

@Preetom thats a valid enough point, but i guess that's just the line of work it can't be help. it certainly is the problem that would occur when following a person who is not completely self-realised, but i would just say his approach is more for those with monkey mind and who are interested in philosophy, ignoring the holes in other enlightened being's logic is easy when in the end silence and non-identification is all you need to become enlightened. but the harder route is to solve them i guess. The overlap can become confusing and you might end up getting lost.

alright i'm with you and in agreeance, its pretty much as i figured, awareness shouldn't know that it is awareness, it should just be awareness without there being one who is aware of being aware aka pure awareness finally, just to confirm, silence is the way to get rid of identification.

i've kept up with his theories, but from what i've noticed. none of them actually contradict each other? which ones have you noted

so it would be to constantly keep lossing identification with everything and remaining aware of being aware so much seasons don't pass, nothing is happening and everything is bliss. I see and finally how does one conduct themselves without knowing whats ahead?

so how do you make a decision about anything?

this is harder than it seems, how do you survive without being able to analyse your environment and apply identification to aspects of life, i.e i'm driving a car and it could crash right now. here's 4 ways i do it: 1) this is god, i am in god, that tree is a god 2) this is an illusion, i am an illusion, that tree is an illusion 3) this is beautiful so its fine, that is beautiful so its fine 4) No analysing with choosing no analysis, i don't have control over function or am not functional as a person.

@FoxFoxFox I silenced my mind and when i did ... i noticed what i called pure awareness is what remained. Quickly i took ownership of it stating this is me, this is I. Afterwards i realised if it is the nature of all objects, then to call it mines would be wrong, this is when i cried and had the realisation that this pure awareness is all that is. However, i shortly came back to the identification of it as my awareness, since its the only awareness i'm able to sense, so how could i be so sure that it was the experience of the table's awareness or consciousness for example. After i returned back to a silent mind, i thought to myself what if this is a sensation so to speak, the problem was that it couldn't be because its always there, BUT there sheer fact i am trying to focus on becoming the awareness or "the one who is aware of awareness (rupert spira)" it only caused me to think this was not it and that it was indeed a sensation or not the final thing. I never considered losing the identification with it, because that would put me into a realm where i knew nothing, i couldn't even know if i was enlightened or not because everything that starts with mind thereafter is just what is occuring and so i put myself into the frame of being aware of being aware, when i closed my eyes it was more difficult than when i had my eyes opened because i was looking and i was aware of looking, but in the dark, i was aware that it was dark but i couldn't grasp it as strongly. This is another reason i thought it to be incorrect and just a sensation or perception i was morphing. However, according to what you've said over the last few days it is basically the I-I state of awarness but i was claiming ownership over it, what you and this video is telling me is to relinquish that identification with the awareness, in other words BE the awareness itself and cast away reality, cast away all identifications made with the mind, cast away all perceptions, i was trying to do this but i found it quite difficult to analyse my surroundings for example i was still looking at my mother and calling her mum or i was looking at food and perceving without words that i would be eating in the next few moments. with reliquishing ownership that would extend to the things your perciecing and all that would be left would be god, but even saying god is too much, because you go around thinking this is god, this is god, this is god in your perception and therefore i thought again this was wrong because it should be total silence, without any thoughts that i should follow as a path. so my question from what i talk about here about pure awareness, i agree it is the only thing that remains after you silence the mind, however, how can you be so sure it's not a sensation that you are percieving. and with trying to remain with it instensly you are not creating a forceful filter in which you are identifying with what you think awarness is. because what was happening to me was when i focused intensly on trying to be aware it would last a couple of seconds and then go, it always came and went and therefore it was not perminant in my consciousness and this is what made me think it was false and not enlightenment.

@FoxFoxFox Thanks for answering the I-I question, it feels like i have direction again to follow, i kind of hit a roadblock, where i was doing that but owning it, so i didn't know if i was right or wrong. actually i'm not sure what i mean, but i think i was just trying to say by having your whole life about other people as opposed to yourself which would equate to 100% i-ness and giving up of it, i guess really what i'm trying to say is, does giving up the i-ness mean just bathing in total silence really without any identification, because its easy to say ohh just because i am god and put your iness on that, but as you said yesterday that is ignorance so is the silence, the god consciousness, loss of i-ness and pure awareness

@FoxFoxFox I am currently in I-I i have been so for two months, trying to silence the mind to become "aware of" only, a) do you have any more advice you could give besides silencing the mind, because i have definately been doing this as my next step, but i haven't got very far b) isn't this the same as saying you should become 100% selfless

@FoxFoxFox i know this might be going back to basic for just a second, but how do you get rid of identification then getting rid of the ego is a good starting point, but i don't think its helping any more lol

@Joseph Maynor You know, i'm taking the same approach as you joseph, so i totally understand where your coming from, i've decided that i don't think liberation is for me, so i'm participating more in a merger of the two worlds together. But you understand yourself that what your saying is a mix of both worlds. but when most people talk they are going for the full shabang