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@mandyjw i actually don't know how married people do self actualise work, it must be 10x more difficult than someone who isn't married! its also 10x harder to figure things out

@mandyjw LOL no that's not what i meant, i just meant like if you decide to actually go through marriage you just accept it and held it actually not right or wrong, because its a belief at the end of the day.

@Preetom the whole thing is beliefs ,there's nothing that is not beliefs, even the sprititual person taking any ANY stance on spirituality LOL! its like a blank slate, if you have any beliefs that is what your reality becomes -literally and then we defend those beliefs and call them "i"

@mandyjw yeah they're weeds that go deep, but my point about this post is that you are just going to end up replacing it with another belief and therefore make the process longer, the newer belief maybe healthier for your life and supposedly good, This is what i mean choosing between spiritual beliefs and normal beliefs, you replace it with either of these categories, i.e friends are neccessary for my happiness- normal i.e friends are not neccessary , sprituality is the only thing that is right - spirituality both are beliefs, but one is more vital to your survival and you will pick according to that so getting married is important for my survival as a family, its a deep root and i think the only way to get an answer is to accept what ever answer is decided there and then, neither right or wrong, needed vs not needed. anyhow good luck, i went through the same thing, i left all my friends until i am able to be loving, but god knows whether that will be in time to become friends again. but again this is further beliefing

@zeroISinfinity bro i don't think you understand the implications of this "not knowingness" it means that there is no truth , that you could ever speak, no absolutes , there's nothing that isn't a belief and if there is a truth you can't know it, anything you think is not it, there's nothing in reality that is it.

@AlwaysBeNice Survival in the world, i purely want them to survive @Preetom nah i'm defo not waking up, i've gone as far as i can, god asked me to be a devotee, nahhh bro, i only care about protecting my "i" thought, to not dissappoint my parents about how my life turned out lool, not gonna leave that to someone else, because i sacrificed so much time to get here, gotta get something out of it that isn't spiritual. @mandyjw relationships do indeed hurt, but its like the quote goes, it's those we don't mind being hurt by that we keep close, they are bound to let you down because our expectations is already asking too much from them. however, at the end of the day, we can only know if we actually engage in relationships, how you actually are. did you deal with your belief or just let it go @purerogue dude, lol, i'm not giving up my i thought ahah, that shits too dangerous for my life

@purerogue I can't sustain my normal life while thinking about whether my beliefs are absolute or not, so i'm at a lose-lose, because i'm never going to find nothingness and survive my normal life, i sacrificed too much to get to this point where i spent too many hours neglecting normal life, but now its beliefs there's no point continuing - _ -

this is the biggest annoying one possible, do you know how much i've debated with myself that getting married is wrong and that i should spend the whole of my life alone lool its so annoying, i still haven't decided

@Preetom LOL, i'm actually done with all this, i thought i was getting rid of false beliefs only to build up more beliefs , i'm just going to go back to building normal beliefs , Nothingness is too hard to find, screw god! well screw the concept of it as much as its possible

after self realisation what is the need for personal growth, whether thats live a better life, sorting out your various psycological needs and dynamics, I.e addictions or repetative unconscious habits, the need to go gym, the need for more consciousness in your life? to explain this in more detail, i'm i mean what is the overall arching aim of all of it? rupert spira in another video goes onto say that the thoughts still arise from the ego mind and that recognition of the self is not enough to prevent this from happening, he goes onto say that when the thought arises you need to question yourself on to whos behalf did this thought arise, the individual finite self or the infinite self. this would be an example of the psychological dynamics because you have already fooled yourself to thinking you were an individual seperate self and this is where your lying and self-serving actions come from. but again i ask, what is the need when for this personal growth when you are not the one who is moving would it be to live a better life? would it be to be more loving? rupert spira goes on to say that it is to realign yourself with your most true values and i think if i asked leo he would say to master consciousness and become an enlightened master, but this still doesn't take away from the fact that in fact everything is fine as it is, you are perfect as is, so what are your arguments for both sides of the paradox ?

i have had extended periods of being able to be the one who is aware of thoughts, sensations, identifications as a self, anything to do with being human but this itself still feels like an identification in my direct experience is it still a subtle form of identification ? and how can i get pass this identification?

when the "i-nesss" vanishes, any actions, thought, sensations does not belong to you you begin to open up and feel vasts amount of space it feels light, it feels like being being in the present moment there are no thoughts about the future there are no thoughts about the past and even when they are they do not belong to you there is a warm and fuzzy peace feeling the mind quiets and becomes silent not premeditating the next thought, the next action or contemplating life everything is silent reality is moving by itself your body is moving by itself all things become one, the same one in all

@thesmileyone it could be a great escapism, even i have used it for that purpose, however, even if all these things may be true to you and it makes you feel good- that's fine but you should bear in mind , that eventually you should try not to rely on substance induced states for your whole life its like a person on medication , if there's a possibility for them to function without the use of the tablet, they should ultimately aim for that. but like i said don't feel guilty about it, self-pity is a difficult thing to deal with, instead i would suggest tackling it in a more positive way if possible. But like everything in this world, its difficult as fuck.

I would say that they say to give up life's pleasures before you have found peace, to show you how desires exactly lead to suffering, once you understand this it is your decision to give up or not and i would say that the piece of advice that leo gave is all in all not to be taken seriously like a pinch of salt until you prove it for yourself somehow because you get into the terratory that your actions are god's will without realising what god is first, so you have a second voice over the first like: i should drink , ohh this is god will i should have a party, ohh this is gods will instead of i should drink , i should have a party.. the gods will is in the background, it shouldn't be forefront of your mind in a way. you shouldn't feel guilty, in fact, you should do it as many times until you realise it won't make you happy, this is what ends up promting everyone to find something else to fill the void

@David Hammond interesting where i don't disagree with you is that it does tend to be an idealist kinda atmosphere in the sense that if i learn this, then this would happen or if i live my life like this, then this would happen. in that sense it could be deem idealistic, rather than accepting the current moment for what it is. but these ideas are popular because no body teaches them, they are a way of understanding the world ,which is why i say that they are important because they display absolute values, literally. which could help people get over their emotional/ spiritual issues. How could you deem them as egoish, if they are absolute in a way.

@David Hammond since its how i reached where i am today, i don't know see what its like from a person who has got to the same place, but has by someone elses teachings, what makes you say they are growing the ego, i am genuinely curious?

@David Hammond those are some amazing words thank you for sharing I used to theorize about it, but once the "i" vanished, i could no longer do that, i do not know what it is that i am and i have no clue how to figure out what the hell consciousness is all i know is, i can only be conscious as it, but it does make me wonder if all theorize are in vain because theoretically leo's concepts are sound but ultimately they are not it, when you add infinite variables they become absolute but when you see awareness for what it is, theories are only theories are you familiar with leo's work, what do you think of it?

@David Hammond I'm in agreeance, i'm only debating theoretically i lost the "i" thought only today, so all this peace etc is new to me, but at the same time its not because its been there for eternity

@SoonHei You are awake at all times, your identity is attached to the wrong thing, almost like you've forgotten who you are, so there is really not one going through the process, but there is THE ONE going through the process , but it seems that "you" are the one going through the process to get to the THE ONE it's a paradox in itself of one single delusion lol "i" thought

@David Hammond exactly so when your looking at the wall for x hours, would it be awe or peace more likely to prevail as an awaken being , i thought it would just be peace because awe would be awe at itself, the beauty of itself is what you mean in context, just so i understand.

@David Hammond i see yeah that makes sense, but what about awe, awe sticks ?

@David Hammond i wouldn't have been able to understand what you said until i had a realisation today , yes it is definitely a mystery that will never be solved! but do you look in awe? or do you just being in awe i became fear for the first time today, it was terrifying :') , can't imagine what its like to be awe

@David Hammond well its consciousness in form, firstly then the description of a math paper and materials like wood and paper secondy. all answers would ultimately lead back to consciousness