Aakash

1) do enlightened people hold absolutes as "beliefs" in their mind Absolute goodness, perfection, intelligence etc.. 2) do enlightened people not identify with their thoughts or is it the fact that there is no such thing as thoughts in the first place, its like it doesn't exist This is all i can think of at the moment, ill add as i go along.

I thought is "i" and the I who exists and exists alone "I" the "I" is the ONLY thing that exists the very fact I exist is existence itself "I" is the one who is asking the question

my mind is skeptical, my being is telling me that this is "i" if i am not this then i am nothing, i don't exist

I exist itself existence itself exists is this who i am

My experience has led me to the fact i exist as my "i", my beliefs have left my system, my mind is off I alone exist ,that is the only thing i know entirely because non existance doesn't exist. its existence itself is this the "i"

@Leo Gura so would an absolute be held simply as T ruth not truth so because a belief is relative , that's its classification for belief so lets say hypothetically, i have no beliefs, but i only hold ABSOLUTE TRUTHs this is not considered a person with beliefs

reality is like a blank canvas where everything you know is a belief that belief literally becomes the picture you paint on reality "roses re red, violets are blue terrorist are bad and so is fat food too i am a terrible person i am very kind although it may seem like a harmless poem, if this is what you believe it will become your reality the case is true with traumas and psychological and social dynamics i.e survival and success your beliefs stack ontop of each other, i am human therefore i have two eyes and think with my mind which is inside my brain your beliefs challenge others beliefs, that's their tendencies because each sets of value are true to each other Which means all perspectives are true in the context they are arranged in and at the same time , all partial ones are false except the absolute but here's the thing about the absolute you can only attempt to put it into words, although the theory may hold true in the truest of sense, it cannot begin to describe the one truth and therefore is a belief, even claiming that it is god, is a belief because god itself is a belief , its only a description the better position to stay in, is a position of not knowing anything, but seriously lol, how can one live a life like that, what does it even mean to live a life of not knowing lol

@Serotoninluv i mean like the i-ness to it will go, so it won't be your subjective experience anyway lol, itll just be experience period, so what did you do at this point i'm feeling like just picking the best beliefs out there and chopping and changing once in a while

@Serotoninluv dude, so your telling me to just go along with it is the best way since its my subjective experience and that won't go away until enlightenment anyway. @mandyjw mandy honestly i'm not bothered with paradoxes anymore lol, they're the reason i'm thinking about stopping all three answers are annoying 1) neither this 2) neither that 3) what is neither this, nor that

@Serotoninluv @Inliytened1 honestly i've lived every second of my life on beliefs for the last x years, its only been 10 hours since i realised my beliefs are all false and have no clue to even understand what not knowing is ... But i would say not knowing the bird had no relevance to my life what so ever

i see, so there is no one thinking and therefore really no such thing as thought by that sense, there's no such thing as anything in this reality because an object can't live without a subject,

@Nahm question, you never react to these thoughts stories and decide to play it out or do you use judgement and decide to follow through with the train of thought

My spiritual beliefs are there is a "god" that god is nothingness there is in reality no such (non-existance) as morals and ethics I am god, i am not human or i am awareness the best thing to do in life is to be able to be happy doing nothing happiness is not in materialism yoga, meditation etc is how one should live their lives other people's perspectives are 100% wrong and the spiritual perspective is the only right one other people's lives are just concepts on concepts and beliefs on beliefs other people should behave in a more spriritual way because its closer related to the truth I have direct experiences of truth and therefore i am right the spritual path is more important than the practical side of life and i should throw all my eggs in one basket the spiritual path is the most important thing in the world my direct experiences are truths yet they may also be beliefs By understanding the middle way, and the fact it is not this and it is not that... i never realised that i had never questioned my spiritual belief instead of my normal mundane beliefs, even if these are true, the ultimate truth is still not this and therefore they are spiritual beliefs, anything that is claimed about it would just fall into a domain of taking position, until you have had ultimate realisation to detach, ofcourse you can align yourself closer with truths however, they may just end up becoming spritiual beliefs. it is these spiritual beliefs that make it difficult to function in normal life practically for me, and therefore i am going to build a nest of normal beliefs as opposed to building up spiritual beliefs, they are more practical to my survival. spiritual beliefs are more dangerous and do not reflect normal everyday life in their fantastical reflection. its ironic it always come down to the red and blue pill, matrix scenario- but this surrendering myself completely before god is too difficult, too many unknowns to certain situations and therefore i notice my spiritual beliefs are dangerous, more dangerous than believing alot of other things. what are a list of spiritual beliefs you have?

@Preetom aahha thanks, as long as the bandages keep the building going, there's no complaints by MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII !

great spot preetom, way to use your intuition and gut

by any chance do you call it the "i" voice, its kinda like a voice over thought that basically says your the one who did it i've eaten you might say and then in your head that might translate to i am the one who has eaten, instead of just letting the old voice go by.

i paid £35 to be around sadguru at one of his inner engineering things to hear him repeat everything he's said in his video and what leo has said, none the less the experience was worth it because in a way his consciousness rubbed off on me, i came out of it sensing i was at a higher level of consciousness

@Preetom YUP you are 100% correct, the insights i have gathered and the clarity which i see is impossible to un-discover, therefore i will try my best to remain completely blind with no motivation for anything else besides a boring mediocre life, simply by ignoring all insights and remaining to the insights and beliefs i define to be absolute for the remainder of my life as to live a normal human life and not trouble anybody with my confused mind about what is true/ is not true. but we shall see, i guess its not too bad being human and all, suffering, suffering some more and then suffering even further then having happiness for a good 2 months with a new car and then some more suffering to follow lol

@Preetom OMG LOL that made me laugh so much

nah man honestly i'm giving up and going back to identification with mind-body-individuality, i'm so confused, i'm not even bothered anymore right now just going to choose a set of beliefs and stick to it i am human, i have a brain, the brain produces my awareness, i see hear touch things that are objects, money is king, see easy life, not trying to find a needle in a haystack that LITERALLY isn't even in reality and the dumbest thing being the thing i'm seeking is the SEEKER myself well congrats myself, you were too difficult to find for this human, i'm going to double down on ego and the devil, SINCE thats cool with you yeah (myself), ill do everything myself, since everything IS already. celebrating individualism

@purerogue yeah i'm starting to realise that, i feel like a hollow mirror letting through whatever is... all my beliefs have dissolved especially the i thought, but i thought the enlightened one, was that one who had no beliefs, its like saying something is absolute is closest it can be to the truth, but is still a belief who accepts the beliefs, like if there is a belief you believe in, you accept it and decide not to do anyting about it? thoughts change, beliefs change are you saying the beliefs were neither correct nor incorrect but just to accept them i.e i need money to survive

@purerogue it helped but it didn't solve my issue, i don't even consider myself to have experienced absolute nothing yet.

nothingness is only a concept to me, i get its me conceptually. but i dont know how to jump to actual nothingness, even ig i change my identity, its changing my identity to a concept of god

@zeroISinfinity listen i get that really, to be honest, my greatest sense right now is i feel empty with belief in beliefs and an "i- thought" belief a mind as a belief. a human body and a brain,

Yeah i agree about killing the buddah, anything i pick up now will be another belief, i can see that, but i still haven't had an experience of nothingness and am not going to surrender my "i" thought belief and therefore still don't know who i am