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Many great replies, non have satisfied me completely. Let's make a distinction between what something is and it's behavior. What something is is the parts it consists of. For example, a car is four wheels, an engine, a shell, etc. It's behavior is how it interacts with other things. A car can go fast on roads and fit people, etc. Understanding what something is without understanding how it behaves means you don't understand its purpose or the purpose of the parts. Behavior gives things and their parts meaning. Likewise understanding a behavior without understanding what caused the behavior is also disfunctional. For example, hearing a new sound without knowing what made the sound is quite meaningless. Things give meaning to actions. Most replies have described the behavior of woke without explaining what woke is. The behaviour of woke can however tell us a lot about what woke is by looking for what causes the behavior. After some thinking my conclusion is that woke is green social ideology. Green social ideology is a subsection of green ideology as a whole. Green economic ideology is not woke for example. Bernie Sanders's campaign was not woke. Tho it touches and interacts with woke. Green social ideology is a body/container of beliefs that change over time by the people who have the beliefs. A key to understanding woke are the people who create the woke ideas that go into the woke ideological body of beliefs. These people have changed over time. Woke started out with socially courageous people with a nuanced understanding of race relations. These people were sophisticated and operated from healthy green. Woke, for you who don’t know started out way different than what it is today. Originally it was only about racial social justice. Today the people who shape the woke body of beliefs are lazy, dumb and dogmatic. They are running green values on a blue operating system, and sometimes it regresses even further to tribalism. The blue good vs evil is what creates cancel culture. Woke is not a static set of ideas but changes with the people who hold them. Woke as a body of beliefs can become healthier again.

@Girzo That's why I'm asking what woke is. My point is that woke is not the same as green

I guess a more interesting question is how do you draw the distinction, instead of how is it drawn in the culture at large? I did not intend for this thread to be about hippies vs woke. My point is that woke is a subcategory of green. I don't know exactly how. Is it perhaps green taken as a political ideology? But then can there be green political ideology that isn't woke?

@Husseinisdoingfine How much can you and the average citizen publicly speak against Putin before it gets dangerous?

Alcohol perfectly complements my weaknesses in social situations. I just need confidence, enthusiasm and to get out of my head. 5meo afterglow is also magic.

@ZenAlex Ramp up slowly your body is not used to it. What are your symptoms? I've done the same thing and nothing changed.

There was a study done where they asked American conservatives if they care about the environment. Most said no. They asked others "America has some of the greatest nature on earth. Would you be willing to make a sacrifice for our great nation?". Most said yes. I think the same appeal to national greatness / stage blue values can be done for other issues as well. Sell universal college as a means to have the smartest population in the world and universal healthcare as a means to have a healthy population. Also, point out how Americans are falling behind the world on these metrics and how America should be number one and can be if you choose it. National programs are conservative things, it's just in America that nationalism and neo-liberalism have an unholy alliance. National programs can be sold to conservatives you just have to market it right and remove the stage green stench. You don't have to signal to greens because they are already on board. Only a stage yellow person could pull this off.

It's too slow to make a difference in large-scale manufacturing and doesn't have much private use either unless you need lots of plastic gadgets.

Some shit I can't even imagine.

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@Bobby_2021 follow the European model. Collage admitions are based on highschool grades. Hospitals would still need client to survive. People choose which hospitals they go to so they still have to satisfy a market.

"What are the top 3 most important political issues?" I think asking this question is the biggest rhetorical leverage point rn. American political commentary is insanely off the ball. Asking this question makes people reflect on their focus and recenters political discourse. Yes, there are problems with overprescribing trans as a mental health solution but in reality, the number of Americans that have regretted a transition is extremely low. Yes, woke is a problem but how many are actually tangibly hurt by it? Yes, loose borders are a problem, but overhyped. How many Americans actually suffer from illegal imigrants? These are real problems that should be talked about. But they should be talked about in proportion to how important they are compared to the most important issues. The correct answer is: The government is bought off by big corporations. Politicians and institutions are corrupted. Ex: Military Industrial Complex & healthcare insurance. Lack of democracy. ranked choice voting to get away from the toxic 2 party duopoly and campaign finance reform. Most politicians are bought and paid for by big money. This ties into the first point. Insane levels of inequality and wealth inequity. Universal college and healthcare as a remedy. EVERY TIME someone talks about woke, trans or whatever in a political context remind them of the top 3. Then compare its importance to the top 3 and point out they lack focus. Every political commentator should be asked what their top 3 are. Then tell them they are wrong if they disagree with me. Then ask them what their audience would think is their top 3 according to how they choose to focus their coverage. It's probably something insignificant. Tell them they have the wrong focus. The same thing should be said to politicians but replace coverage with policy platform.

@Hardkill Amen

There still needs to be space and resources for people to spend years learning. Also, the pressure of tests keeps the discipline high. At mass if people are trusted to be self driven in their education it's just not gonna work. There is great benefit to the social aspect of schools too. An online based system would be like students during the pandemic. Test scores have gone down. It doesn't seem to work. I saw my brother get into collage when the pandemic hit. He broke down crying once because of how much it sucks to be isolated online like that. Eventually, online lessons integrated with physical learning spaces and digital networking in those spaces is the way to go, but it's just not functional yet. I've been planning to make a thread on UBI. But in short, it wouldn't work if it's at a level where people could sustain because it would open up the possibility to work on passions that are not valued by other people. How many young guys' passion is video games? If those passions would be valued then they would be paid for them, then UBI isn't necessary. It would tear apart the system. Where are you from?

@Leo Gura They will never accept green but they could get behind someone like RFK.

@Recursoinominado Ha can speak to blue/red/pathological orange because he is there. He can't speak to healthy orange or green. I'm talking about a rhetoric that can speak to blue, orange and green at the same time.

It requires balancing a line. It's possible and has been done. Marrianne Williamson uses such retorics from time to time with no backlash. This is true but not the problem here. The problem is that this requires stage-yellow thinking to speak to people where they are at. Liberals and conservatives are not able to do this either.

Big changes has to happen to education, but people also need resources to spend time getting an education. In Sweden you get money if you study so anyone can do it. People generally work their ass of in higher education. So it seems to work. We need to reliably and systematically be able to educate people. To me this is non negotiable. Have you gone through higher education, if so what? There needs to be more trade schools in America also. I think this is called a parliamentary system. We have it in Sweden an lots of Europe. The American system can work it just needs ranked choice voting.

@Devin no it's based on creating a strong nation. These 3 issues have a majority support among Americans but they are transfixed by red harrings. @Leo Gura What prompted me to write this was watching a debate/interview between Merriam Williamson and Tim Pool where TIm managed to center the whole conversation on boarder security and woke. The audience thought Marriam was an idiot. With this retorical tool Marriam could have steered the conversation back to her terf. I think there are a lot of smart people like this who would have a fair bit of sense knocked in to them if confronted like this. How do you think JP would react? He wouldn't go woke but I think he could see that the republican candidates that he have been talking to are fools. For convincing the general public should be coupled with stage blue marketing that appeals to national greatness. Left leaning populist policies and blue vibes, like Obama. There is a lot of populist energy that I think can be channeled in a good direction with the right marketing. These top 3 have majority support among Americans, it's the focus that's off. Top 3 + blue vibes = epic win

Look inward to what you want to create. abundance, connection, power, pleasure, joy, love, purpose, harmony, beauty. Then let that flow outwards. If you depend on the world to flow inwards you set yourself up for disappointment.

@Nivsch started to admit things to myself. And the stream of consciousness just takes me to unexpected places.

@Javfly33 Yes but there is a reason why it feels good. I'd never do this but I get the appeal. There is value in reflecting on why it has appeal and if there is a way to integrate the quality without degrading oneself.

Reality is going towards perfect integration and infinite form. Hagel is limited as you said that he only sees integration. Niche is also limited in that he doesn't see integration. The most powerful master is the one who achieves perfect harmony with the greater whole. Because harmonious cooperation beats individual parasitism in the long run. Both fail in proper integration. Sidenote: You are the one who integrates and harmonizes, you are not an outsider who is subservient to the process. Be a master that integrates. Love is power.

This actually works tho. Some deliberately smoke until they throw up before going cold turkey.

Schrödinger's Palestinian: Israel is fine with Palestinians dying as collateral damage in a way they would never be okay with killing a Jew. Yet, Israel wants Palestinians to be Israelis in the way Israel constantly rejects the 2 state solution. If you think this is a strange paradox you are blind to Israel's real intentions.