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@Danioover9000 You don't need to be a saint to be turquoise. I think aCiM is legit. Everyone has fallen short of perfection.

@Danioover9000 Shinzen young, Osho, Sadhguru, Rupert Sheldrake to name a few. You're not turquoise because you're enlightened. I wrote this some years ago about my understanding of turquoise: The Anatomy of Turquoise The 2nd, 4th, 6th and 7th chakra make up the inner workings of turquoise. Everything I witnessed fell into an open heart(4th chakra). My open 6th chakra made the love indiscriminate, totally compassionate for even the darkest side of a being. That ability to see someone in their totality, without judging its ugly sides, is what gives turquoise it's famed holism. A 2nd chakra bond was then formed with being entered my awareness, could be a part of my subtle body, psyche or could be another living being. The indiscriminate love then worked through that bond to create the desire to heal the being. Healing means making happy, as happiness is the psyche's way of signaling health. It's then perceived that the being has bonds with other beings that in turn has more bonds. These bonds continue out to a whole network encompassing every being on this planet, aka, the web of life. The open 7th chakra made this cognition cosmic rather than personal, giving a 3rd person perspective required for the impersonal nature of the 2nd tier. Ken's AQAL model is fundamentally flawed.

@Danioover9000 I disagree, almost none of the people Leo uses as examples of turquoise express much turquoise. I probably disagree with this whole forum on the nature of turquoise. What didn't Ken mean?

@Danioover9000 Leo thinks it's a stage of spiritual development when it's really about emotional and cognitive development. Ken thinks the third tier comes after the second tier but it really branches of from yellow and goes parallel with the second tier

They are anti the political elite in both parties that are bought by corporations. It's not anti-government per se, just anti this government. Neither osho nor sadhguru are spiral dynamics stage turquoise. Turquoise is not a stage of spiritual awakening but is mostly characterized by complete empathy and intuitively feeling how different entities in a system effect each other. Leo fundamentally misunderstands this stage sadly which is why the founders of the model got his video on the stage removed from youtube. Leo conflates turquoise with third-tier para-mind. The third tier branches off from yellow rather than being after turquoise, this is something Ken Wilber has gotten wrong. So someone who's at para-mind doesn't have to be at turquoise. She also has plenty of yellow but being feminine she is more developed in the feminine stages.

It's not all but if you ask people why they voted for Trump they will say that he fights the establishment. Turquise doesn't mean that you exit society. If anything it makes you care more. Haven't read it but from what I know it's mostly about love, spirituality and manifestation. I've never heard Marianne say anything crazy.

Lots have been said and I'll just say this: Marianne unprecedented, the power of turquoise has never been tried in politics before. Bernie is very popular and Marianne will tap into that but she is also many times wiser and smarter than Bernie. She is able to appeal to the whole SD spectrum in a way Bernie couldn't. That's what I'm betting on. I'm also betting on her ability to persuade influential people, and by that, winning over their audiences. There is a lot of anti-establishment energy in America, which is what got Trump and Obama elected and I think she is very good at channeling that in a leftist direction.

Is that how Obamna got elected? American politics is bigger than Trump. Would you have said that 8 years ago? @Danioover9000 I don't get woo-woo vibes from her political speeches. Quite the opposite, she is very down-to-earth. She isn't some green hippie, she is turquoise. People do have a preconception that she's woo-woo but that tends to disappear when they actually hear her speak. Trump mainly won because he was against the Washington establishment that is completely out of touch with the needs of average Americans.

I've gotten the sense that when people actually listen to her or converse with her they are impressed by a very wise woman with a sharp understanding of the core issues facing normal Americans. You might be right but I think there is a possibility that the strength of her character and the substance of what she is talking about will shine through people not resonating with her vibes. Trump is offputting to most Americans but he won anyways by being an outsider, the same might happen for Marianne.

Bernie is too old now and I think Marianne will carry the torch for the progressive movement in the US. I've never admired a politician as I admire her. I wish her the best of luck. Maybe she won't win this round but when you play you should play to win.

Imagine how big a following Leo would have if he also did meth. Maybe he will add it to his nootropic stack.

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I believe that before your health becomes bad enough to create diagnosable symptoms your emotional system gets messed up. I believe living with such emotional problems leads a lot of people to become philosophers. You have no answers for why you are not okay, so you look far and wide. Not being able to find happiness in the now, you start looking for meaning in the future. You try all the things conventionally supposed to make you happy and it doesn't work, so you seek the unconventional. Me and all the philosophers that have had the biggest influence on my life are all chronically ill: Leo, JP and Ken Wilber. I once read a list of sick philosophers. I can't find the list now but it was long and had many well-known names on it, like Nietzsche. I believe the negative emotions and mental state that come with bad health is one of the biggest reasons people become philosophers. Do you agree?

@Lila9 Great point.

I did. You fasting wrong doesn't mean fasting, done properly, doesn't work for you. If you're doing stuff, your body thinks it's not supposed to heal, instead, it's supposed to give energy to your brain and body, so it tells you fasting is wrong for you. It was right. Your intuition was right. I disagree with the paradigm that everyone has their own health ideal. The way I think about it is that there is a hierarchy of diets, whatever it is, but some people have defects, like allergies, where they can't do the optimal so they have to settle for the second, or third best. But if the defect is healed they should move to the optimal diet. As I understand you haven't always had these health problems, so the way you have to eat now is not part of the essence of who you are. I believe fasting and raw veganism are optimal, but that's beside the point. @aurum With regards to electrolytes it comes down to that I trust Loren's judgment on it. Otherwise, I agree with you. Do you know any counterindications for when people shouldn't fast?

@Jannes I mean philosophy in the broadest sense possible. The word philosopher means "friend of wisdom". I'd consider most people on this forum to be a philosopher. I love this concept. This is the role Jordan Peterson is playing for a lot of kids these days. I hope schools will have philosophy clubs in the future. I'm not talking about turning to philosophy for escape. Rather, turning to philosophy for answers because not a single answer that's been given to us by mainstream society has made us okay. Really, the answer we are looking for is good health. In absence of that, we look for enlightenment or a higher purpose to make us feel okay.

@aurum People have gone 60 days+ without electrolytes at Loren Lockman's center. Granted, the springwater they use probably contains more electrolytes than the tap water I'm drinking. Still, it works and it's safe as long as you know what you are doing. Don't sweat basically. I don't see a reason to mess with something that works. I'm confident fasting works for most people if it's done right. I think OP is in a small minority. Animals fast when they are sick, this is why we lose our appetite when we get sick. Fasting is a natural thing done by, I'd think, all mammals, not some health fad that works for a couple of people.

@Leo Gura I've done a 14 day long water fast no suplements. I'm speaking from experience. After day 3 the thought of putting food in my mouth repelled me. Being dizzy and not being able to stand up is how it's supposed to be. It doesn't matter when you are lying down and resting. Of course, you didn't get results when you didn't rest, that's my point. You shouldn't even be sitting up. When we get sick we lose our appetite because it's natural for us to fast. I listened to my body during the fast intensely and it felt natural. The only thing that didn't feel natural was eating again. My body wanted to go longer but I didn't feel safe doing so without supervision.

@Noahsteelers34 It's better to fast during summer. Being able to lay out in nature instead of in a cold box is so much better. It's vital that you are able to relax, mentally and physically. Were you able to? Personally, I did a 2 week fast Loran Lockman style last summer without supervision. My health problems that have ruined my last 6 years got cured. After 2 months when I started eating ramen instead of just fruits and leafy greens, the illness slowly crept up on me again. I also had cravings. They will pass with time. After 2 weeks of refeeding, I had better vitality than before the fast and I jogged longer than I ever had. I also was just naturally joyful in a way I've never been. It was miraculous. I'm gonna do another fast this summer but I won't stop eating fruits afterward like I did last time. I also got rashes during refeeding. I think it's called keto rash. I think over 95% of the people who've done what u did experience tremendous results. I think you made all the right moves and got unlucky. I feel for you and I'm confident that your body will get back into equilibrium and with that, your mind. Thanks for sharing this. @aurum I think you get electrolytes from the muscles and fat you burn. The arguments against using electrolytes is: one, that the body doesn't fully go into fasting mode if it gets nutrients. Two, if you supplement the 10 most common electrolytes the other electrolytes you are not supplementing can become imbalanced. During fasting, the body breaks down fat and muscles. During a fast, if you do it right, meaning you are not doing anything at all, not even thinking too much, you would not be hungry and you'd feel at ease. There is a distinction between fasting and starving. When you start starving, I've heard, you start feeling different. You get hungry and you feel wrong. As long as you are not starving during a fast I don't logically see how thinness would cause a problem. We don't need muscles or much fat for our organs to work. I and many others have gotten as thin as this guy, if not thinner, during fasting and experienced tremendous health benefits. I think when people get that thin outside of a relaxed fast the problem comes from the organs and muscles getting torn through use and it doesn't have enough building blocks to rebuild themselves. The thinness here is only a correlation with the real problem, not the root cause. When the body doesn't get torn during a fast the root problem doesn't exist. Also, I've been meaning to tell you this for a while: The fast you did a while back you did wrong. The reason we get benefits from fasting is that the body gets a chance to heal. But you only get the benefits when you are relaxing, meaning you lay down and don't use your brain. Otherwise, the body is not comfortable going into healing mode. When you relax you will feel that you get less energy and feel worse than if you're active. This is because healing makes you feel sick because the toxins that are stored in your organs start to get released into the bloodstream for the kidneys to filter out. If getting up to pee isn't a challenge you are not healing. You were productive and active during the fast and it killed your results. Counter-intuitively being productive was the least productive thing you could have done.

@Thought Art Ye I know and I agree. Doesn't change that access increases use tho. We should get at the problem from all angles. @Zedman Maybe the revenue from the clinic can fund itself. People who do opiates don't want to party from my knowledge. That's why I wrote the policy is primarily for opiates. Tho yea I can see how this would never work with coke. Is your point that the left should focus on more important policies? Because liberals could push this policy too.

Okey, I just had a crazy new idea for how to handle hard drug policy that would increase user safety, kill the illegal market and reduce consumption. This is primarily about opiates but meth and cocaine could also work. I'm not talking about weed or psychedelics. This is the policy: You can buy hard drugs at a safe injection facility. You have to do the drugs at the facility, you can't bring them with you. To be eligible to buy you have to have a certificate that you obtain by handing in a small amount of the specific drug that you want to buy. The certificate lasts for a medium length of time, say 5 months. Towards the end of the certificate time, there is a period where the amount of drugs you are eligible to use a day decreases until it reaches 0, to wean users of the drugs in a safe manner. The result of this is that every time a dealer gets a new client, the client takes the drugs to the facility and obtains a certificate. He then no longer needs the dealer, so the dealer loses the client. Like this, dealers lose all their clients. With no dealers, users can't get certificates to get more drugs. This is a win from every angle. You can then wage total war on the drug market that is left without getting users in the crossfire. Can you think of any unintended consequences? Let's discuss!

@Thought Art It is an assumption but it's only logical as more people get access to it more people do it. I don't know if such a study exists. I don't think this kind of legalization has been tried. I've known people who would try it. Some of the same people have tried tobacco and got hooked. You are not just making it safe to use. You are also making it accessible, which I believe will lead to more addiction.

This is actually a great point lol. By train or bus I guess. This would only work in an urban environment. I'm such a city slicker I didn't even think of this. @Thought Art Part of the idea behind my proposal is that it would work in smaller countries. Superpowers like America, China, Russia and Japan can run their drug policies how they want. But for smaller countries like Sweden where I'm from if top-shelf heroin would flow from here to neighboring countries, there would be international repercussions. No head of state would agree to get that headache. The other problem with just making it legal is that it would actually attract more users. I really don't know if it's worth it but I'm open to the idea. But at the very least I agree that it should be decriminalized.

@Sucuk Ekmek As I understand it the biggest motivator for immigration policy is the declining birth rate. The economy will collapse if it's not fixed. stage green Social democrats that voted for this policy thought immigration would help economically out of sheer stupidity. The reality is that they are an economic burden and the resources would have helped 10x more in refugee camps. From the liberal side of the political system then yes banks and property owners are making a killing. Most of the liberal polititions that voted for mass immigration owns property and made a killing of it. Also, Fredrik Reinfeldt used immigration to destroy the welfare state, which played a big part in the policy. There are some corruptive influences on the Swedish government, but it's not so much from corporations. More so, the self-interests of the political and cultural elite in Stockholm. I don't see how this influences drug policy tho.