Freakrik

It's just that it is fascinating with the science of seduction.

Did not understand what he meant the first time i read it. Now i think i understand it better but i don't know. Because i am a bit confused after watching leo's rant against the pua community. If we think like this. What is good manipulation and what is bad manipluation in dating. If whe ignore the intention behind it? Like for example of obvious bad manipulation of dating is caling a woman something mean in other to get an emotional response. Like c*nt. If a girl is indiffrent you can use it get an emotional response and then guide her feelings to be good. i can have a good intention but it's still wrong to do it. For example is speed seduction good or bad? If you have a good intention? I want to study seduction as a science. I am fascinated about it form what i have studied. But there is line. You see what i am coming from?

Well then It's not really a big deal. Sure as an ego i suffer. But i do not suffer that much so i am in an hell

Leo described hell as suffering beyond our wildest dreams. I think leo needs to make an episode about hell. And what determinants of what gets trapped there? Sociopaths, Murders, People who has not worked on their cousioness. What derements it? stage red, blue, orange people? This is a serious topic. I would not move to a cave for enlightment but this is probely the thing that would make me do that. Endless suffering. And if i am working on myself and are at stage red,blue or orange do i have a chance there forever? // A scared 17 year old

Ok. Short. I am gonna use some mindgames to make the girl like me that does not cause suffering because that's mean. Dating is just mindgames and manipulation until the relationship so yeay. Best way i can describe it

My non existing brain is a mess now.

In leo's episode about death he talks about how death is the best thing to happen to a living creature. Does this apply to everybody? Or does this only happen to People like leo? Because in an other episode he talked about how we all was hitler. Because god's dreaming all this up. doesn't that mean as soon as ego die another ego dream happens? Can someone explain to me if not @Leo Gura himself?

Do you think doing todd v style of pickup is bad? 95% of the time i just want to test game or get good with women. The other 5% of the time I am in an lower self mode and want to do it bacause of It's something that feminists hate. So yeay Good and bad. I looked at leo's rant against pick up. 90% of the things on the list on what you should stop doing on that list is just Stop Being an a**hole like dumping women in an cruel way or cheating. So as Long i do not make women suffer and have Good intentions i can manipluate as much as i want? Do you agree with ross?

I would suggest that you search for "todd v dating" on yt get a better understanding of the pua world. I am going to sleep now ;). I am planning to take the next 6 years of my life learning pickup. Experiment with diffrent techniques that are not pc. Mostly technical game from todd. avoid things like the pua dogma and stay there too long. I would suggest that you watch todd to get a vison about the pua world. If you don't get it i can describe it tomorrow. To get it out of my system. And at the same time do self help of course.

Todd talks about how the pua before was searching for what works when picking up girls and not what is "who who and feel good". In his art of game manifesto he talked about speed seduction and his uses of it. Speed seduction is not pc. But it's not cause suffering in the woman. Things like that i would love to experiment with. My lover self would love to do julien style get away with alot of s**t when talking to feminist. Like making the girl beg me to kiss her in front of her feminist friend. Watch his art of game manifesto to see EDIT: And too be honest. Girl plays mindgames when it comes to dating. Beta tests for example. So i don't see too much wrong with mindgames. Dating is just manipulation before sex. But it does not mean i need to be mean to a girl with things like negs So i want to test those mindgames. I texted a gril once and tried to just be normal, non calculating. she stopped texted me. I asked her why and she said studies. I told my female friend about it. She said "That's so mean. Play the same game" so yeay i think women are doing manipluation in game also.

Haha i have heard about julien talk about how he makes girls beg him to kiss them. a senario where i could make a femnist girl do that in front of her feminist friend really temps me. I am not against manipluation itself. Just that i don't want to hurt women or be sent to hell. Leo talked about that in his paranormal episode. I am right now dipping my toes into this. I know julien, max and jeffy. I just like the ide of todd. Trying something new in game is like a christmas morning present. But i know it's gonna takes years to master. Non pc techniques is things like speed seduction. I want to try all the techniques with no long term (except negs maybe, Because that is just mean)

I think that we all would benefit from learing about hell.

I Don't even think i am mature enough to kill my ego. It may be an ego defense mechanism but i Don't know. But as It's also intresting. I always thought that hell was hogwash. Then Leo as someone i trust Said that hell is a real thing. I want to know how it works. Why the small self gets trapped there and why. Leo does not recommend that anyone under 21 uses phycedelics. it's just that after watching Leo talk about this many paradoxens have Made me think. Like that as god i was everybody back in the history. Every bug, every animal. And then talk about death and how your life was this hard walk. How does that make sense? It did not really Bother my ego until the hell thing. You see why i wanna know

Leo talked about some biscops that Said hell does not exist. And then he Said that They may end up in a hell realm at some point. What does that mean? This is why i think @Leo Gura should make an episode about this and explain

Ok. Where where is the line when your consciousness is too limited and you end up in hell? You have no free will so those with too limited consciousness are gonna suffer in hell forever

What is the price?

I asked leo on yt. He responded "Not if you increase your consciousness by doing the work." Does that mean by not doing the work that i am gonna go to hell or at least have a chance of doing that

Thanks.

So in theory i can be a maniplutive ego maniac and get to the same place as leo?

Did you get why some people go to hell?

Hahhhah that was a good one. But seriously i think that leo needs to adress this. And why people get sent there. In his death video he explans that death is the best thing to happen to a living creature. Does stage red people also get to this place leo was talking about