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So when I say nothing, it's as you said, there is nothing to experience. I think when I said "it's something I need to experience now", I should have said experimented rather than experience. I liked how you said there is nothing to experience, that is the essence of nothing. You're right. Literally everything I am doing is part of experience. When I said I want to experiment, again that is still being in the thought/memory. When I do experiment, that experimentation will create a memory, which leads to pleasure... There is nothing to experience... I love that (a reaction to this concept, I must be careful) This topic is very delicate, and it's something that cannot be understood by text or even understood, because understanding is thinking. Only by ending the movement... Then there is nothing to end So, how does this actually play out in our lives? Can we kill duality and still think? Which doesn't make sense, if you end duality, you're ending thinking, but what does this mean? If we end duality, what does this mean?

If we try to belong or become with reality, we are identifying with reality. That identification is not reality. Reality is nothing. Nothing is identification, and non-duality doesn't mean nothing identity but no-thing? I need to do more work on that. Thank you. it's something I need to experience now.

Yeah, we just posted at the same time

Could you tell me more about No-thing. I think this could answer my question on the post

Not sure exactly what it implies but here's my guess. It implies that we will see reality, but when I say "see", we don't identify. Nothing is to identify. There no is thought/process. There is no memory of reality? There is no seeing. Meaning... There is nothing since there is no movement. Clarify in my logic

So we wouldn't even experience that we are reality if duality ended?

So does this mean reality is paradoxical in this manner. We are both reality and not. We can't identify ourselves with reality but at the same time we are reality, or at least, what we call reality, since we're part of it. We can say "we're reality" in the identification manner, but then we can say "we're reality" without thought/process, if that makes sense? The only way we can say we're reality without thought/process is by no-thinking mhmm...

By saying we're more to it, we're still identifying ourselves? This is something I didn't even realize, thank you

By saying we're more to it, we're still identifying ourselves? Sorry, the question is literally the title Are we more than humans (in the sense, is there more to being human)

If you don't identify with it, then "you" doesn't exist.

It's nice to have two sides of the story. This is why I love forums, because I have never really went into my conciseness this deeply without the introductions of these topics. Yeah sure, Leo have made videos about this but I feel like forums really do help you go deeper because you can pinpoint issues by talking about them with somebody directly I just don't want wars to happen. What helps me learn is that there are more points of view.

Yes, thank youu . Yeah I totally misunderstood. I have to look at the nature of awareness in more details, the way you just described it. thank you. Biggest struggle of that is being constantly aware. Somethings I try to be really aware but my mind slips away. I guess it takes years of dedication to it. But most times, I feel like awareness always loops back to the old aged question of why am I aware, or why am I here...

@Anna1 Oh, I misunderstood, woops . Could you clarify please

I am aware of seeing it. But that is not all I am. At the same time, I know nothing. So I do not know if I am awareness or not. Is it fair saying that?

There was no "me" to be born. I was reality until I identified, then "I" was born. I still am reality, but I can't see it. Or I can see it, but I'm blind to it. Maybe there is nothing to see... Who the fuck am I? What the fuck am I? Am I even a thing? Mhmmmm hmmm hmmm Fucks with my mind, need more of this You are right. I am not my ego/thought. I am something more. Or nothing more. We will see. This is a really deep topic. Thank you all

I get that sometimes, but then I feel pleasure from that... I really need to watch out for that

I'm nothing. No... I'm not attaching nothing to my state of mind. Not attaching emptiness to my mind. I am just nothing. No emotions, No fears, just fucking nothing. No understanding, no knowledge, NOTHING. Writing this goes against nothingness. I am just nothing NOTHING Am I enlightening right? Lol who cares, I am nothing. Nothing to prove, nothing to do. NOTHING

You can't create an experience when you was a baby (as in, you can't think of it), since it can't be found from the memory... You were still developing the brain for the memory... So you can't be a baby anymore... That is also interesting. Experience is done by memory? I hope I'm understanding this stuff right, lol

This has cleared up some underlining issues. Thank you Great insight on how thoughts uses memory for pleasure. How it uses knowledge and past experiences. I need to explore further into that. Also great insight on being the universe from @NoSelfSelf So every past has a beginning, implying we have a beginning. When we were born, we were even unaware of the world. We cannot remember anything. We were just doing our own thing, crying and shit... But how did we learn to become the I, and the center... That is very interesting... Well, the only time we even identify ourselves is when we started remembering stuff... Perhaps evolution? Who knows. Take your time, I don't mind late replies. Any input is helpful. Thank you both @NoSelfSelf and @Faceless

I really do want to try this out, giving up no thoughts/sensations but it's so hard when I just want to question everything haha... My mind is constantly trying to understand stuff which is opposing non-duality. It's really hard to kill duality when sensations never really change. Our thoughts change but never our sensations. Well, that's what I think so. The fact that it doesn't change makes it significant because it's indicating that sensation isn't supposed to be ignored. I guess you can say don't try to give up thoughts. Trying = thinking.

These two interest me the most. So sensation is part of this movement/motion of the thoughts and thus identity? I can see that... So what you're saying is htat sensation is therefore part of the experience. It is in motion... But here's where I get stuck. What if this isn't part of the experience, and that we're only using our ego/thoughts/self to attach to the sensations to create the experience? Don't we create the experience by thinking? Because we are allowing the motion to take place. But sensations seem to always be static. Always there, and that we apply meaning to those sensations. Aren't sensations, therefore, objective?

Yeah... Why the fuck do I actually care? It's just the universe, it's just a phenomenon. Omg hahaha, I'm only experiencing the universe, that's all... There is no need to watch it, watching it is attaching to it. But, isn't there a way to authentically feel the universe through your sensors? Without judgement. Without attachment? You said it yourself, if you judge it, you give it attention. But if we just gave attention to the sensations and not judge it, wouldn't that mean that's the authentic universe, or at least, apart of it?

But aren't my sensations perceiving the universe, or is that just my imagination that I (when I say I, we mean the self) created? I say this since you can argue that my knowledge of how the universe is perceived is blinding me from the truth because I created it the knowledge/perception... But then again, there is some phenomenon that is going on with the sensations... What is this phenomenon?

Thank you. These couple of days have been tough. I just need to carry on.

I've only done this for two days and it has already made huge results in my progression... When I thought (previously) of nothingness, I felt a presence but recently, reading up on the forums with other people's opinions... It's gone weird, like I'm not in the moment but am at the same time I am? It's so paradoxical