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When practicing concentration, say looking at the hand of a watch or clock rotate, is the objective to focus on the hand of the clock with 0 thoughts in mind? Or can there be subtle thoughts in the background of your mind, and that's ok as long as you still have the hand of the clock in mind.

Incase your concentration abilities might increase if you allow the subtle thoughts and move onto the next excersise. I'm not sure, I just want to get the technique down pat.

concentration is not meditation, but its an important stepping stone for meditation on the jnana path. You can't achieve proper self inquiry without the ability of very very intense concentration.

thanks for the reply cirkussmile, but I was speaking about a concentration practice more like raja yoga, not zazen.

ignore it, worrying about it is why its happening in the first place

@Xin Make sure you listen to this piece of advice very carefully. Why are you meditating? If you have a reason to meditate then you wont get any results with your practice. If you have a goal or state you're trying to achieve, then the best you are doing is wasting time and fresh air that someone else could use. If you loose your desire for getting results, for being in a perfect state of mind, yet you still meditate out of instinct, then that is what getting results looks like. (don't make this a goal, god can see right through the games you play) Only when you are able to meditate for the sake of meditation, without any goal, or reason, you are meditating correctly. The reason why you aren't getting any results is precisely because you're looking for results. You meditate out of instinct, like breathing, and when you are fully free from looking for results, that's when you know you are getting results. If you can't do that, then you are not ready for god to reveal himself to you.

What are some books that further explain the experiences one has during kriya yoga? Books on biographies of kriya yoga teachers, or books that explain certain phenomena that occur during kriya yoga. I find that just reading the instructions for a technique isn't enough, you need to also contemplate on the philosophy of where that technique came from and experiences of other people to fully get the most of a practice, otherwise you're just driving without knowing a destination. Your mind must be mentally prepared and placed for the technique to work. Its really hard to find books that talk about kriya experiences and philosophical phenomena that masters experience. Which book has anyone found that covers that topic?

What's the distinction between these 2 fields of study? I find that a lot of spiritual paths actually include shadow work, and in fact, a lot of techniques used to become one with god, actually end up helping you in personal development, even more effectively than specific personal development techniques. For example, I have greatly reduced my social anxiety through self inquiry. I tried cognitive behavioural therapy, and the typical tony robbins 'exposure' technique, but results only started to happen after being aware, and questioning the thoughts that cause the fear. Either the fear gets literally eliminated (which is the dream that cognitive behavioural therapy aims for) or you end up being ok with the fear arising, and accept the fear, and end up being ok with putting yourself in those positions because you're not afraid of the fear anymore. What does a person who doesn't do personal development loose by only doing spirituality?

@dharm4 and for the ability to see RIGHT NOW, you first need to have no monkey mind going on, an appreciation and open mindedness to the subtle, a thorough knowledge and experiential understanding of what awareness or the NOW feels like, no neurosis, no attachments to prejudiced or opinions, and a bunch of other things. You're underestimating the massive influence your state of being plays a role in this. If it was that simple, everyone would be enlightened. The inability to see reality RIGHT NOW is because of not ingesting dmt, etc.

@pluto the more you mentally masturbate, the more deluded one becomes. If a thought like the 3D world, a thought so ingrained in us, turns out to be an appearance, then what chance does a conspiracy theory have in being true? This is not helping people, this is mental masturbation - dust fluctuating in the wind of pointlessness. 99% of People around the world already discuss topics like the one you posted, this place is somewhere different.

some of what you say is true, but I challenge you to join a real cult, like the ku klux klan, so you can get a sense of what a real cult is. Someone being dogmatic about your opinions in no way implies this place is a cult, just that some people on here are lazy and would rather listen to leo than do the work themselves, which is to be expected considering the current condition of society. BTW your fear of the shamanic breathe technique is the exact same fear keeping you from self realization. You've fallen for the trap.

Do you just accept them and move on? Do you question them, or deconstruct them, or something else? Fall into the trap of believing them?

What genuine book do you know of that teaches secret, proper siddha medicine? Kind of like Ennio Nimis's books?

@Leo Gura Sadhguru tends to dismiss anything that isn't related to india. He's a strong Indian Patriot. He also dismisses shamanism and other hardcore religions as well. This is to be expected, most enlightened people tend to dismiss other streams of spirituality. This happens on both side, not just yogis.

What I learnt about life purpose work is, every single thing you could do is related to consciousness. Even being a soldier is partaking in the creation of consciousness. It doesn't matter that your career isn't being a spiritual teacher, or a 'higher consciousness job', as long as you enjoy it its what you should aim for. If you enjoy shooting birds for a living, go and do that. Don't worry about the 'higher consciousness' or 'seeking for truth' dogma on here. Fulfil your desire for the universe with yoga, fulfill your personal desires with your LP, whether that's cleaning garbage, or being a yogic teacher, it doesn't matter.

@Salvijus thanks mate! very insightful!

Yesterday I did holotropic breathwork for 50 minutes. Long story short. Lets suppose that in ordinary consciousness, what is going on is that, there is a 'you' seeing through a round window. Its like there is the round window, and you're looking through this round window, from behind. What happened was, this window collapsed, and the thing looking through the window rapidly faded away. It was like a lazer was slicing and destroying whatever was behind the round window. Next, there was this extremely strong presence just there. It was obvious that this presence was all that there was, and nothing else existed except that presence. Now that presence extended out and expanded in every direction and length. So I could literally feel everything, things very far away. Imagine that you turn into this formless gas, and you rapidly spread everywhere so that you can feel everything. That's what happened. There was still a body, there was still a perspective from 'the head', but the body didn't need a 'me' to function surprisingly. The body, with all of its emotional neurosis and worries was just like anybody else, it was just apart of consciousness, doing its thing independent of the 'me'. Unfortunately the experience went away after about 5-10 minutes. Point of this post is that, I wanted to share the possibilities of shamanic breathwork, and what it can achieve.

friends are just a pointless distraction... time you could be spending else where like in meditation or your life purpose. If you're loosing friends, think of it like loosing the love of playing video games... because that's the level talking and hanging out with friends is.

I apologies in advance for making this, I dont usually post my insights and experiences online, but the ego is waay too excited over this one. I tried Leo's shamanistic breathe work techniques 20 minutes ago background relevant to trip report I have read a lot about the shaman spirit world I am very eager to try psychedelics, yet cant because of my living conditons. setting Me and my girlfriend were going to our local gym. Theres a beautiful park out the back, so while she went to the gym, I went ans lied down in the park, facing this beautiful tree that looks like the willow in avatar. So i started doing the shamanistic breath. 5 minutes in: I feel the normal sensation: my chest gets tight and feels like a piano is on it, my head feels light, my body vibrates a lot. 10 minutes in: Same stuff happens, yet I begin to contemplate about the tree, and its connection to the earth. my mouth is dry, my chest is in pain from the workout its doing. 20 minutes in: the pain in my chest starts to leave. its like my body has given up fighting me to stop breathing heavily. I also feel quite still... not as still as I am during my meditation practice, but still quite present. 35 minutes in: The fun cool bit: I began to see the objects in the world from a different perspective. Words dont give this experience justice, yet the tree started to look as though it has a spirit. It was like the 3D world was connected to a 4D world, and in that 4D world was a spirit, yet this experience was directly accessible in awareness. It was like an optical illusion, I saw the tree 1 way, then saw it a completely different way. And that way was just as real as the 1st way(which is ordinary consciousness) In fact, the way I saw it back then felt more real. The interesting part was, it wasnt as though I had left my current world, and gone to another world, I was still in the same world, still in the same park, next to the gym, except the gym wasnt a gym anymore, it was a structure with a soul. Still looked like a gym, but it wasnt a gym. Its like the 'gym' part was an overlay my brain laid on it, and ive uncovered that sheet and seen what's behind it. Same with the trees and anything else. And it wasnt like being drunk either. My perception was the same, it was just that I saw it from a different perspective. 40 minutes in: my girlfriend came back and I walked off. Everything was the same, except that cloth was pulled off. It took 3 minutes to get out of that state, and now it seems like a dream. Takeaway: I dont believe what I saw(rven though what i saw felt more real than the reality im in now), yet its opened me up to the realization that the world can literally morph depending on how you look at it. I didnt experience hallucinations, or strange visions, or even bad emotional trauma as leo repeatedly talked about. And im skeptical of whether this experience is worth pursuing, rather than just for fun. Post your trip reports or questions below!

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@cetus56 No, I'd imagine they would be appropriate for shrooms, so I never bothered, did you?

and the fact that they actually worked with it so precisely and had so much mastery over such a subtle form is amazing! Wow they healed people through this perspective. Its hard enough to just experience it...

@Nahm latest video Nahm hahaah

Yeah almost, I've had experiences similar to "reality morphs into a single infinite field". This experience was very similar, yet less profound. It is of a different flavor to the experience you're describing. The experience you're describing is more of a merging with god directly. In the contrary this experience wasn't necessarily a merging with reality (felt more like the pre stage, or the stage that's directly prior to the merging) and the objects in the scene were not recognised as being apart of absolute infinity, but rather of a different form. It was like seeing an optical illusion (the one where the square changes direction). The tree changed from being a tree, to (I can barely remember now as the experience has no words in english) now I'm going to just try my hardest to describe it (this is definitely a map rather than the territory haha) as if it was apart of an eternal source, a source that had access to other forms of the world. This to me was percieved as a spirit, because it was connected to a 4th dimension so to speak.

Too hard to answer with good judgment since this is the first time I have done it. But the best answer I can give you is, I believe the beauty of the nature around me helped collapse some of the views I had about objects in the 3D world. The tree was particularly important, and catalyzed the experience or realization. I could sense that, without that stimuli, the experience probably wouldn't of been as profound, or at the very least very different to what I witnessed.