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How does doing the laundry maximise love?

Yep possible.

Had a half baked insight just now. Leo has mentioned before about the importance of theory and how the spiritual people who hate theory and just focus on experience are going in the wrong direction. Leo's argument at the time was something like theory ensures you don't get biased and brainwashed by gurus and teachers, and just experiencing isn't good enough for this reason. But I've got another idea of why theory is important. If there was just experience, and no theory, there would be nothing to experience! A theory is a representation of Truth (or a facet of truth). And when I say theory, I'm talking much more broadly than the contemporary meaning of theory. Your recognition of a pen is also a theory. You don't know what a pen is, you can only experience a pen in 3D (instead of 4D), your evidence of a pen has been filtered by your eyes, so what you see is not actually the pen yet you still think you're seeing a pen. Also you're able to tell us what a pen is even if it doesn't exist in front of you right now. This is all suggestive that a pen is a 'theory' to you, its a representation of truth rather than truth itself. If no theory existed, and just experience existed, how would you realize God's infinite facets? God is infinity, not these facets?? How would you have different enlightenment experiences? Coming at God from different angles? How boring would that be? See you can't realize God through these different facets just be experience alone. The way in which you realize god (which facets you realize God through) is dictated by your belief structure. This is why so many people describe their enlightenment experiences differently. A theory is a representation of reality, and the representation part is what makes all the difference. It divides you and that infinity. It confuses you into thinking that God is something that it actually isn't. And when you do realize God, you realize God through the lens of this theory. And that's how the facet is created. Haven't you noticed that the way you guys describe enlightenment is a bit different to the way Sadhguru's followers describe enlightenment? Or the way Christian monks, Buddhist monks, etc do? Haven't you noticed that so many people in spirituality fight over what God is? Haven't you noticed that people on here describe enlightenment experiences one way, then after Leo shoots a video (for example about Love) people start describing their enlightenment experiences completely differently? More about Love? This is because Leo is literally dictating which facet of enlightenment you are going to experience just by you watching his videos. So long story short, theory is important for making God cool. And there is nothing wrong with creating theory, in fact its a necessary component of enlightenment. and the interesting part is, the more theory and stuff we create, the more ways we can see God, the more facets we can realize God through as a collective. While science IS bullshit because its a representation of truth rather than truth itself, this representation is necessary for realizing facets of God. Some super cool interesting facets at that. "without religion, science is blind. Without science religion is lame" -> Einstein. Can be rephrased as "without God theory is blind, without theory God is lame"

@Serotoninluv Why must we realize the source? Why can't we be born knowing the source already? Why did we forget in the first place? Why is the universe structured in a way that we must realize the source? Why is realization necessary? When the inquiry(that produced this post) was made, it was made with the intention of trying to figure out how I should 'merge' my life purpose with spirituality, if that was even possible. It was not made to try and discover the source or have an awakening experience. In my opinion life is much more than just awakening, its about creation aswell. And I was trying to see how to reconcile the 2.

Of course. What I'm talking about here is the symbiotic relationship between duality and non duality. Of course theory is limited, of course confusing theory with God causes suffering and you will hit a wall. But why did god allow that to happen? That's what I'm answering here. I'm not talking about HOW to get enlightened. I don't care about how to get enlightened in this post. I'm going meta or beyond the desire to enlighten. I'm talking about WHY the HOW exists. I'm talking about WHY god created theory, rather than not. What the function of theory is. I'm not talking about its limitations. I don't care about its limitations in this post. I'm talking about why its there. I'm not even talking about what it does, or what it can do. I'm talking about the 'structure' of structure itself. What I'm saying is the function/structure of theory is designed to divide you from God, so that you can experience God. Without theory, you cannot experience God. You can only Know god (and there is a massive difference between Knowing and Experiencing God). As a relative example: if you theorise about an airplane, then you can actualize that airplane and then EXPERIENCE flying. But if it was not possible to theorise about an airplane, you could not build an airplane and EXPERIENCE it. God <-> Theory is the exact same. To Experience a certain facet of God, you need to absorb some spiritual theory, then actualize that theory, then experience that theory (or realize god through that theory). There are many different facets of God: voidness, love, energy, passion, bliss, goodness. Why is that? Why are there so many different sides of the same coin? BECAUSE OF THE THEORY! THATS WHY THEORY IS IMPORTANT! You will experience god as love, if you have absorbed a lot of theory about how god is LOVE (say some christian beliefs). You will experience God as voidness, if you absorbed a lot of zen theory. etc etc etc. That's what I'm trying to say. And physical beings will keep producing theory for infinity, and facets of God will generate forever, enabling God to have infinite facets. This has ramifications for knowing WHAT you should create and WHAT life purpose you should have.

thankyou for the summary of Leo's latest video Now are you ready to stop being a parrot and try and understand what I was trying to say?

I was contemplating about what I wanted in life while walking around in the park. My answer was I wanted to escape to some DMT land. I then had the insight that there is no DMT land, you can't go anywhere because there's nowhere to go except the present moment. If you one day do travel to DMT land it will be because you created DMT land. I then went "hu funny, I don't travel to places, I create the places I travel to, does this apply to the park I'm walking in?" I'm now having the very strange sensation that I'm not walking on a footpath but a treadmill, and as I walk, I move the entire planet rotationally towards me, rather than I walk along the planet. I feel like I'm literally moving now where, and everything is coming to me. P.S. Wow also, neither me walking through the earth, or the earth is walking through me are true/false. they are both true. The true one is the one you want to be true. So you can use the 2 different perspectives as tools to get what you want. If it's useful to see yourself walking through the world, then that can be true. If it's useful to see the world walking along you then that can be true.

Custom officers in those sorts of countries are not properly trained to look at suspected items, and even if they are their salary is too low for them to care. Bribing is very easy to do in those countries (as it is in any developing nation) and you could probably get away with it. Although this depends on how white and foreigner you look.

Are sages against violence? Do they have moral tension with the act of violence? Do they fundamentally disagree with violence? Why has there not been a sage in the past that committed violence? God has no problem with violence, and things worse than violence, that's for sure. God IS violence, Hitler, torture, rape, etc. Violence isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing. The French revolution killed more than 40 000 people, and it was one of the greatest things that happened to man kind. In fact its almost always necessary to encounter aggression, if not violence, to properly revolutionise the world. Violent or aggressive revolutions far outweigh non aggressive ones. That doesn't necessarily mean the one doing the revolution needs to be aggressive, in the case of Jesus, Gandhi, but sometimes it does. But almost always one side is going to resort to aggression or violence.

Nice! Takes a few weeks to fully crystallize it seems. I'm trying out mescaline in the mean time, will brew this month too

yep very good point it's about giving to infinity. yes, I've come to that conclusion as well. Glad you have found a passion that you love. Unfortunately not everyone is interested/motivated by 'doing stuff'. Some people just want to 'Be', just enjoy the Me. And let whatever comes, whether that's prosperity, poverty, seeing a new born baby, or watching someone die. Just enjoy it all. This new motivation happens from doing that endless stuff for years working weekdays and weekends. In other words massive action. And sometimes like in my case you can swing from wanting to alturistically create, to wanting to not create but just be. I'm in the current stage where I want to just be. I'm sure I'll get passionate again in a few years and want to create stuff again.

When I think about a goal to achieve, no matter how grand that goal is, after a while of thinking about it, I just get depressed. Reason is deep down I know that no matter how titillating it is, I'll get sick of it eventually, and I'll be back to depression. For example, I will eventually get sick and depressed of: 1. having billions of dollars 2. being extremely healthy 3. having 'insights' and 'awakening experiences' (like thats after having 1000000s of them, it will eventually get boring, but if you go hard core for it, you will eventually have 1000000s of them) 4. being in a state of relaxation all the time 5. having a mansion 6. Living in a good country (eventually you will want to leave this planet and go live in DMT land forever) etc etc etc. Can't get motivated when the end result is always getting sick of it which leads to deep deep deep depression. Even DMT land would get boring after a while.

Well the thought is a necessary precursor to the action

Mate, in the US you can easily make it at home. Look up gordotek. Super easy to make dmt. And I think its legal to buy 5-MEO-DMT in your country too... got the life Unfortunately in my country even mimosa hostilis root bark is schedule! Can't believe it!

@Aeris Yeah I think this happens to people who spend unusual amount of hours on vision like us, and slowly we see the limits of it. We see that a vision much like a pot at the end of a rainbow. Motivation is fuelled by denying this fact.

Definitely have had that in the past, if you observe carefully though, there is a difference between doing music and the vision you have of music. The motivation relies on ignoring this observation. The vision is a hallucination compared to the real thing. I think kundalini, truth realization, etc are things which you can really get motivated by, because they aren't bullshit like the former stuff is. You don't need to bullshit yourself to believe in those things, with music and vision, or art and vision, or anything and vision, you do. I think Sadhguru is on the right track where he talks about enjoying life one step at a time. Appreciating the beauty in the present moment. Terence Mckenna talked about this when he was on his last legs. The beauty of music isn't in the bullshit vision you come up with, its in the sacredness of life itself, its in the process of making the music, just the fact that you're here and can make music is sacred. Getting involved with your vision may have its benefits for some, its a great way to change your subconscious mind, push out false beliefs so you can put in new better ones, but getting lost in those visions to the point where it has the power to motivate you can be very dangerous for some, definitely for me.

Yep nailed it on the head, extremely challenging place to be. Especially when no one seems to have gone through it and understands your problem. Yeah I guess spiritual work and survival go hand in hand and shouldn't be treated as separate things.

So Tinnitus is a physical sound and not sure of the cure. The kundalini sound is clearly not physical, feels closer to mental than physical but not mental either, and its associated with non physical vibration. With the kundalini sound, if you focus very intensely on it, you can get an ecstasy feeling. If its bothering you, I would encourage you to just focus very intensely on it, until you have a kundalini awakening. Its very similar to how you need to masturbate if you cannot hold the sexual feeling. Just go very hard core with focusing on it, let go completely and see what happens. Once the kundalini awakening is other you wont be bothered by it anymore, things will settle.

well I guess the mistake I'm making is I'm making a vision too far into the future. What will truly fulfil you in 10 yrs time (assuming you grow) is not what will fulfil you now. What will fulfil you in 10 yrs time would seem silly now, because you're at a different state of consciousness, maslow's needs, level of maturity, etc. So when it comes to planning your life, its really hard to plan 5 or 10 yrs into the future, because you will not get motivated to do those things, even if you were mature enough to know what those things are. For example, what might fulfil you now is billions of dollars, because your living on the streets, but what might fulfil you in 10 yrs time is actually being on the streets as a buddha, but there's no way you will motivate yourself to do that now. But being a buddha is the thing that will fulfil you in the end. So the irony of it all is, you think happiness will come when you leave the streets and become a billionaire, but in reality the happiness you're looking for already exists on the streets, paradoxically the only way to realise this is to get off the streets. So it seems like, you just need to be ok with the fact that the skills you develop now are not going to be useful(will be a waste of time) to you in the long run. The skills needed to make a billion dollars will not help you be a buddha on the streets. Maybe enjoying the process rather than aiming for the end result is the solution here. This is what I've noticed in the past 5 years, the things I dreamed of 5 years ago are completely different to now. Even the things I dreamed of being 1 year ago (dreamed of being an Einstein) are completely different now, because after doing some scientific work I've realised that no matter how much I do and how enlightened it is, it wont fulfil me, fulfilment comes above thought -> from experience.

But doesn't having lots of money, without consciousness get very very very depressing after a while? Like you always get sick of too much of something, and then you're stuck in this pit of suffering with no way out.

I'm currently doing what you're doing: I'm making a startup which definitely isn't my life purpose(but its much more altruistic and high valued than what startups normally are), and part time I'm building skills for my true LP. Its very challenging doing something that isn't your LP because in a lot of moments you will like you are wasting your life/soul. You will wonder whether starting from you LP from the beginning was the better alternative, etc. Motivation is a massive problem here, and to be honest there is no quick fix/solution to it. You need to roll with the punches when it comes to motivational problems. If you're making a startup you will also be under a lot of stress. On the contrary depending on how esoteric your LP is (mine is being a guide for deep levels of consciousness, in other words a religious leader for yoga and shamanism) it may be extremely hard to make a living off of it. You need courage, deep giftedness in your craft, communication and conviction skills, resistance against corrupt sceptics and rationalists and even irrational religious types, etc. Because you are poor, money may corrupt your life purpose, which in the end will ruin it and give you a bad reputation. I hypothesise that Its much easier to build your life purpose from a place of lots of money then not because you will have less materialistic fears and more opportunity to do stuff. What Leo said here logically makes sense, and may be true, but I've got no experience with that. This is a tricky one, and people are going to give you diverse viewpoints, but most people don't start off with their life purpose, not necessarily because that's the better route.

"There is no path to enlightenment, but one needs to walk it to see that" ~winterknight 2019 some time

Right so if wars didn't happen, everyone would want a war. Sounds like it would be paradise if wars didn't happen. There is nothing outside of God

Definitely incorrect. Possibly, but ive been in many wars with my own ego, and the war is never a loose loose situation. Its always a necessary step to growth. Civil wars are the equivalent of growing pains. They are necessary to push the general public out of their comfort zone through force, otherwise it will never happen. World War 2 WAS the cause of the 1960 hippie revolution - without world war 2, the hippie revolution wouldn't have happened.

Is mescaline an effective drug for consciousness work? What are your experiences on it?