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Yeah the next confusing question is, what is embodiment, is it allowing yourself/conditioning yourself to be in a highly conscious state, or is it conditioning yourself so that you CAN access certain states much more quickly and effectively

Well its useful for exploring consciousness if thats what you mean. Its useful for showing you what this world is really made of. But its not something I would think would be useful to try and embody What i meant by useful in the original post is embodiment.

This was my first psychedelic trip. Others would probably call this a bad trip, so unfortunately no profound stuff happened here, but I still think this experience is valuable to share. I learnt some amazing lessons and am not actually deterred from using this psychedelic again, in fact I look forward to. Baby Woodrose seeds have a compound called LSA which chemically is similar to LSD. Apparently the effects are similar to LSD too. Baby Woodrose seeds have an extensive amount of negative trip reports associated with them compared to other psychedelics. This is because they tend to induce nausea, lung constriction, other muscle constriction, and severe fatigure or lethargy. People who try this psychedelic or read trip reports about it should keep in mind this psychedelic does not reflect the experiences that all psychedelics give, other such as shrooms and LSD have better trip reports. Anyway I had a massive desire to try psychedelics, and getting the good ones are impossible to get. So i was left with this as the only option. I am exploring methods for getting a hold of other ones like shrooms but that will take several months before it comes to fruition. I will start my trip report here: Set I bought 8 woodrose seeds off the internet. I first peeled off the outer skin. I then put them into a blender with water and lime juice, i then got the blender to cut them into pieces. Waited 1.8 hours and then put the liquid through a strainer and drank it. Setting Based on the trip reports I read, I honestly did not think this drink would have much effect on me. So I put zero effort into the setting. I was really doing it out of curiosity and because Ive had a strong desire to try psychedelics for a while. I just continued to do what I normally do. This turned out to be a very well learnt mistake. I suffer from chronic fatigue, irritable bowel syndrome on a daily basis. So most of the negative experiences I had were experiences I were comfortable with (MOST ) Trip 9:50pm: Drank the juice 10 mins ago As expected, I felt nauseous(vomiting), lethargic. 10:00pm: Unexpectedly felt a massive surge of energy just dominate all of consciousness. Happened very fast, got me by suprise. I felt like I was going to explode. I became stunned/paralized by the present moment. I became so present, so fast, that I just got massively shocked. I became so present that all of my memories started fading away in milliseconds, so did who I was, it was like I was rapidly entering a no mans land. And I was paralized meaning I couldnt stop it. The present moment got more and more and more present so fast that i couldnt stop it or control it. This scared the shit of me. But the part that scared me the most was I felt my heart rate sky rocket through the roof, and i didnt knoe if it was ever going to slow down. I was worried that it would keep going up and up and up until I had a heart attack. So after this thought of having a heart attack I knew I needed to massively relax and calm down so i immediately lied on the floor and did huge, ultra slow breaths to try and slow my heart beat. Unfortunately my heart beat did not slow down. Then I felt and saw 'pulses' through my eyes. I saw a blackness in my eyes in the shape of a web and it flickered. Then it stopped flickering. And as it stopped flickering I felt a massive surge of energy explode in my brain and then the present moment paralized me again. I got more and more present. I freaked out more and more. Then it stopped and slowed down. Then the flickering happened, as if the flickering is charging a present moment battery, and then it stopped, same thing happened but bigger. EDIT: I just realized today that the flickering wasnt my eyes but the lights in my room. Which is quite spooky because my consciousness was directly correlated with the lights.... At this point I was freaked as fucked. This psychedelic really wanted me to have an ego death and I wasnt ready and I couldnt tell the difference between ego death and physical real death. "is this psychedelic trying to give me an ego death experience, or did I just kill myself by doing this" Couldnt tell the difference. And it seemingly was not letting down. The bigger reason was I felt like shit from the side effects and this made me believe I wasnt going to come back. The heart beat exploding, the nausea, the lethargy, the chest pain, I thought I was going to die + the body was going to be destroyed. I also wondered if this pulse flickering thing was a sign that i was going to have brain damage. It all happened in less than a minute and I was totally off guard. I then thought, Gosh what am I going to do, its getting bigger and bigger, im out of its control. I then went, you know what just accept it. I tried that but was too scared of dying(physical death). Then i thought, ok you know what just enjoy this experience, have fun and see where it leads you. Be curious, be excited, and just enjoy it. This mindset helped me a lot to overcome what was going on. Fortunately it stopped. And I was just left feeling a bit present, lethargy but also i had heaps of energy too(as contradictory as that sounds). 12:00am I went through periods of extremely intense present moment experiences lasting 5 to 10 seconds, which were valuable but scared me. And then half present periods of just feeling like shit. The negative effects of this seed is a real shame because it really distracts you from doing the inner work. If those effects werent there this seed would be a good psychedelic. I took the negative shit feeling as an opportunity to grow. So i just tried to be lazer focused on being aware of bodily sensations, how they work and what was causing me to feel like shit. Learnt a lot doing this. And it was especially awesome when the drug kicked in and I felt a splurge of awareness just increasingly occuring. Until it went too far and my memories started fading away, and who i was started fading away and i was loosing control and entering a no mans land. Thats when I distracted myself out of shear fear. 12:30am I decided to go to sleep because I was tired. 1:00am Woke up from sleep freaked out as fucked! The paralyzed present moment haunted me again, this time while I was sleeping. I spent the next 30 minutes flirting/skirting on the edge of ego death and normality. Fluctuating up and down, on the cusp of death. Heart beat fluctuating from low to very high to low again. 1:00am onwards. The effects wore off. Reflection Well that was definitely a difficult trip to go through. But I think most of the things that made it a bad trip was my foolishness to not do more for setting. I was actually thinking of doing more than 8 seeds - so glad I didnt do that, boy i would have killed myself. With that trip Im now in a position to really make a good setting: I know what music I need, what room I need to do this in, ehat meditation, yogic techniques I need to do beforehand. I now know that while the heart beat stuff is scary, I know it will happen and I will get through it without physically dying. I know to do it in the morning. I can confirm with other trip reports that this psychedelic has negative side effects such as lethargy, nausea and this does make the trip an unpleasant experience. But where I am confused is there are very little, if any trip reports on this psychedelic about ego death, which is quite interesting and strange. Apart from the negative aspects, my trip went very differently to what others experience.

I live in a country where mimosa root bark is as illegal as dmt itself

Yep agreed

Yeah but you will get fucked if you half ass the teachings of any one of those gurus. Just briefly/shallowly practising what a guru teaches is 10x safer than going half way with their teachings and landing in a no mans zone. Even though briefly studying them isn't good. you might be able to study 100s of gurus, but the average person with the average job isn't going to be able to. I would guess max 5 if they want to do it properly. ps: fuck I took 8 woodrose seeds and they are actually working, I'm shocked. Omg I'm such an idiot I didnt think they were going to work, I'm freaking out. First time doing psychedelics. Sorry I know i shouldnt be writing this.

Actually in the yogic system it was common for people to pick a guru and follow him intensely. Not following him intensely was seen as superficial, much like how fucking every chick without settling down and having a relationship with 1 person is superficial. If you don't follow a particular institute, guru, etc closely, you will never understand their depth and this will most likely result in either you not getting the best out of them or you not understanding them and then misinterpreting them because you were too flippant with your following of them. Yep we've all seen the down sides of following a particular institute too closely, but you seem to be completely oblivious to the equally down side of doing the opposite: not following them closely. The maverick approach is not superior to the 'following closely' approach, its got just as many traps. A fine balance between thinking for yourself and relying on others is necessary for an optimal strategy. Havent you noticed that the people who don't go deep into your work and dont follow you closely enough end up dismissing and demonizing you? Like rational wiki? What would happen if rational wiki ended up actually taking your work seriously and followed you closely? Haven't you noticed that the reason why Shaun had an ego back lash was because he didn't go the entire way with your work? He went half way? "Why on Earth would anyone want to join some "integral institute" and follow the work of one man blindly?" You know if you don't follow some one very deeply, you turn into Shauns, you go half way and get fucked for it. Thats why joining some integral institute is valuable. You want to get really deep with it.

What are examples or ways in which western science can be used to increase consciousness? How can western science actually help you awaken? Honestly, the more I delve into western science, the more I see it as a survival mechanism at heart - rather than something that increases consciousness. Of course science can be used to explain metaphysical phenomena like the entire universe is one big brain, but that only makes sense to people who are already awakened, defeating the purpose. The scientific method just seems to be a process of gas lighting what's actually going on, having profound insights, but then distorting them by projecting a false sense of logic and patterns for the sake of upholding the scientific method itself, rather than just being happy with actuality. I find the liberal arts - like post modernism to be a more effective academic stream for understanding and increasing consciousness then any of the science fields.

That's exactly what I'm doing part time! I'm doing a course with the IKON institute about art therapy. But you can take art therapy much much more deeply than just curing mental health, you can use it to deconstruct attachments and help with enlightenment. In fact I remember reading about a Hindu temple builder and him talking about the art and science of temple building and how the designs actually help increase awareness or something like that. If you like technology you can play around with generative adversarial networks and use neural style transfer with certain buddhist art and see if you come up with some interesting results, but to be honest I think meddling with technology is a loosing battle, just my opinion though. EDIT: I have no idea, all I know is they have some pretty progressive courses about using psychedelic therapy and have great lectures on combining psychedelics with increasing awareness and improving mental health. I know that their model/way of researching these topics is something you can base your Vancouver group off.

the esalen institute and institute of integral studies is what you can use for inspiration. I actually work in Vancouver 3 months a yr and will be heading there next january. But I've recently lost interest/jumped ship from Technology/science and am now doing art, so I wouldn't add to your group.

hahahahahahahahah..... You're on the right track dude. To be clear, these are not valid strategies for enlightenment, what they are, is valid strategies for kindling people's curiosity for enlightenment. Getting them from not interested to interested. Leo has a video called content and structure, and what you can do is make the content so bizarre and strange that it gets people intrigued and questioning themselves. This is as far as you can go with enlightenment and technology, if you want to enlighten people and not just get them interested, that's where you need to teach techniques and theory - stuff technology does not deal with. I've spent the last 4 yrs trying to merge technology and spirituality, and have just realised that its impossible. If you want to help get people enlightened art is much better than technology. But you probably have built up an identity around you being a 'technologist' or a 'scientist' or a 'mathematician' and so thinking about entering art probably threatens your ego, so you'll be left with using the least effective option to the best of your abilities.

No not everyone is pursuing enlightenment for egoic reasons. You just haven't seen the ones that aren't because they are small in number. But even for the ones that are, there comes a time when they need to abandon their 'egoic reasons' because failing to do so retards their growth. There are no good reasons to pursue awakening. It happens because of a realisation you have. You do it naturally like how you naturally shit or eat food. They very process of figuring out what good reasons are and then using that is in itself egoic. You need to go meta on the entire motivation process you're using. But don't worry, if you have to ask, you aren't there yet, so keep doing what you're doing.

and then breatharianism was born

and then your market size drops to almost 0...

@The Don Honest answer is, if you need to ask that question then spirituality and awakening is not for you. If all you care about is happiness, then go do personal development, nutrition, play video games and watch movies. awakening becomes the only option once you've tried everything else. If you haven't tried everything else, then you wont be motivated enough to meditate to the levels needed to get real results. And it could also be possible that awakening doesn't even make you happy because right now loosing your attachments isn't what you need/want. A lot of people on here are pursuing enlightenment for the wrong reasons. They are pursuing it for egoic reasons, and they are just going to end up disappointing themselves once they get deeper into it.

So here I am, looking at God, and knowing and right now experiencing the fact that this whole actualized website and all its followers are "inside" God/the present moment, and that this forum is just a way for God to express itself, a mouth so to speak, I need an answer to this question I will write below. I have been severely depressed for the past year(and half depressed for the years before) I dont know why i was depressed for the years before, but just by walking in the park and contemplating, Ive just had an experience that explains why Ive been severly depressed for the past year. I feel like crying right now, just letting heaps of emotions out. Unfortunately I think crying is for girls so its hard for me to do that. I know now that my sever depression all along has been coming from that fact that deep down I know my loved ones are not real. I feel like my life is one of those plot twist movies like fight club or 6 sense. You know on the surface they are there. Their bodies, personalities. They are there. But deep down they arent really there. Behind the curtain there's Nothing. There's absolutely nothing. I dont know what to say. This is why Im depressed. This is why i have so much energy to cry. I told myself that Im depressed because im worried that my girlfriend will leave me, that my parents will disown me or die from cancer. But really its this. I can go sit with them now, eat dinner with them, watch movies with them. Im not saying I cant, i really can. But they are gone and I just feel like crying so much. Once this experience is over, and im back to ordinary life, this post will really make me cringe, but while im aware and conscious that this forum is God's mouth piece, please God tell me what to do.

Thankyou for the support

No, I live on an Island full of lazy, stubborn, harsh atheists/christians who have outdated, highly conservative views and laws.

because nice guys are just being nice to get the girl and they can sense that. Nice guys are only nice because they are afraid of sticking up for themselves. Nice guys are fake.

Im trying to use spiral dynamics as a way to expose myself to my hidden karmic patterns. For example I think a certain way, look at SD and then see how that way of thinking fits in with SD and explore ways that that karmic pattern can be more accurately observed. I cant seem to pinpoint myself on the scale. I dont resonate with any of the colours. Could it be that Im just not that focused on growing up, and am more focused on waking up? What questionaare or test can you do to accurately gauge the stage you most resonate with? I value experiencing the relative nature of Maya, looking at the universe from different perspectives, studying/observing meditatively the structure of my karmic patterns, studying/observing meditatively different stages of SD playing out in real life, How different perspectives, fit in, relate and cohensively integrate together to form highly intelligent patterns in consciousness. The list above does not really fit in SD and may be better suited for a waking up model instead?

Sure, you're in front of me, hidden im that present momenty stuff. Get out and show yourself!

@ZZZZ More precisely, they do exist, but what you thought they were doesn't exist. They are there and do exist, but that 'spark', that thing that made them special, doesn't actually exist, and you made that up. If you're a man, you can apply the same realization to hot women. Once you realize there is nothing special about hot women, and that specialness was arbitrarily made up by you, you can see that the only reason why you get turned on by hot women is because somewhere in your subconscious mind lies a script of programming telling your body to get horny when it recognises particular shapes and patterns resembling hot women... There is nothing hot about women, except for what you decide.

hahahaha exactly. How interesting. He's speaking to a mirror and reacting to the sounds waves bouncing off it and entering his ears.

By getting off your ass and figuring out those answers for yourself. We could answer 1 million of your questions, and yet you would end up as clueless as you are now.

Not from reading books, just from my experience of being in Hillsong Church, and going through college clubbing, have noticed something very very interesting. Each person has some values that they really admire and value. For blue stage people this tends to be sex after marriage, not commiting sins, listening to authority etc. While most of them dont fully live up to these values in practice, they bullshit themselves into believing they do. Them actually doing these things are engrained in their psyche and ego. And if you question whether they really do these things they get severly threatened. Its almost as if living up to these values are believed to be the only way to eternal happiness, and how happy you are is not determined by how happy you actually are, but by how well you live up to these values. And to remember these values, and ensure they keep on track, they go to church every sunday, where the priest spends several hours retelling the same story, the same values we have to live up to and why. It keeps the illusion going. Without church, people would forget how to be a good Christian, because these values are relative and arbitrary. But orange stage people are apparently above all of this. They use factual science to get real answers, and they know how stupid it is to live up to some arbitrary values written in a dubious book a thousand years ago. They know, the true way to get happy is to have lots of money, get real good at sex, get a lot of social approval, and be cool. But they also need a way to keep remembering this, because its not at all natural for humans to know what coolness, money, social status and fame is from instinct. If it is, why do monkeys not have an instinct to get more money? Why dont monkeys love cool glasses and hats and dresses? So orange stage people also need a way to remember these arbitrary rules, and thats where clubs, parties, alcohol cruises, etc come into it. These things are like churches: they remind people what happiness really means: money, social status, coolness and fame. They are a weekly reminder/indoctrination of the orange stage religion. thats it! Work is over! Time to have sex, hard drugs, and party all night! Women start putting on sexy looking dresses, heaps of makeup and high heels, guys do their hair to mimic their musician or film star they are into, cool looking glasses, and collar shirts. They do this because its a symbol, no not the cross, no not representing Jesus, but a symbol that represents a different belief system: money, sex, fame. By putting on these clothes, they are declaring their allegiance to the orange stage religion. They walk past the street, to get to the club, on their way they see others dressed like them. They wave in excitement. "They're one of us" they proudly think to themselves. They walk into the club, filled with people dressed like them, loving the same songs as them, having the same values as them. Its like a completely different world, so different to their real lives. They now remember what happiness really looks like, its this! Money, sex, fame. And their only job in the world is to get it. Thanks to the night club, they are reminded of what life is really about, and as they subconsciously think this, an AVCII song comes on, a classical hit, and then as they sing in ectasy everyone feels connected to each other, as if they are a single unit, all connected through common values of money sex and fame. I use to think I was bullied by the cool kids in school because there was something wrong with me, possibly a mental disorder, being weird, strange. But no, that wasnt the case at all. I made a huge mistake, and it took me till now to realize it: By choosing to wear ugly clothes, not support pop culture, and by acting uncool, I was basically offending evangelical devoutees of the orange stage religion. I was basically getting the bible and burning it in front of a Christian. No wonder they bullied me. And now you can see why extreme Christians and muslims hate alcohol and clubs, because its literally no different to committing yourself to a different religion. Going to church as a muslim or mosque as a catholic. Just like how you can tell how Christian a country is by how many active churches there are, you can also tell how orange stage a country is by how many active clubs there are in it too. My intention was not to demonize clubs, in fact this insight has given me the space to stop judging clubs so much and actually enjoy it. I believed so many things about clubs: they are a place for sluts, assholes, people with big egos, etc. from my bullying experiences im the past, and i really struggled to enjoy the place with so many judgments, but after this insight, it really puts clubs into perspective and allows me to see that these people arent evil, they are just unconsciously sucked into a belief system without knowing it. They really think money sex and fame is the answer to their life, and they are doing the best they can by clubbing. Now that I know the real reason ehy people club, i now know how to not piss people off, make sure i have a good time, but also make sure others do too. And i can simply go there to just enjoy this insight, enjoy the parallels between the hillsong church and clubs, and see how similar they really are. Its deeply interesting to just observe human nature at play. So thats it: clubs are literally orange stage churches.