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would you eat the leaves of a psychotria viridis/ayahuasca plant to get high from nn-dmt? then why would you eat the seeds of baby woodrose?

You will be forced to do things that you're ego was not designed to do. For example if you were a creative artist, you would be forced to be a highly logical, masculine manager who makes up rules and procedures. If you were an accountant, you would be forced to learn marketing skills where you have to draw really feminine creative banners. If you were a software engineer, you would be forced to stop living off your identity as a 'nerdy, anti social genius who cares about precision, scientific accuracy' and you will have to be a showman speaking to investors, bullshitting your ass off like a Donald Trump. In a business you need to completely change your ego to the point where you are no longer you anymore. You are someone else.

Ego Backlash. You're ego is very upset that you've chosen to go on the dark side and be conscious all the time. Its angry and its letting you know. Do you dare to stand against it? To detach from this 'realm'? To detach from the idea that you've become less conscious?(which of course is exactly what the ego wants you to think is happening, because it doesn't want to be conscious)

In the last trip I did on baby woodrose: I didnt quite manage to go to ego death because I was scared shitless of entering a "no mans land" a place where even colours, sounds and shapes dont exist. Like literally nothing. Awakening experiences Ive had in the past were not like this. They were realizations that the present moment is all there is, and everything is One. But that didnt mean everything dissolved completely, like what was happening on the trip. Im wondering, is entering this no mans land even useful for spiritual work? How on earth does sadhguru joke, drive his motorbike, etc. If he is in this no mans land? He musnt be, which means this experience I had on the trip musnt be enlightenment. And if it isnt enlightenment then what is it.

Yes this is what I mean by void, the 'objects' in the universe start to 'loose its shape' or in other words, you think the object has substance, for example a computer has a metal casing, has electronic components inside it etc. Void is simply realizing those are beliefs and they are not real, so the computer turns 'hollow' like its a hollogram, no substance. Same with your your girlfriend, you might think she's the love of your life, but that thing that makes her 'special', 'right for you', etc is actually a belief. Same with her being made of 'skin', having 'organs' inside the body. Its all a belief. You might as well walk up to her and look closely at her and see just light illuminating from her body, because that's all she is, just light. Nothing in there at all, nothing special about her, just light. Same goes with your parents, they are all illuminations. SAME GOES WITH EVERYTHING. I don't quite see how love is involved here tbh, just a bunch of hollograms of light walking around. But guess with enough trips will see.

Oh im the biggest fool in this forum, I probably follow leo more religiously than 90% here haha. Dont get fooled. @petar8pNo probs, we went a bit of this in our meet i think.

You say it like its obvious, I find this to be deeply interesting. This puts a whole new perspective on the importance of theory and belief! God wants to create infinite facets, so he creates infinite amount of beliefs, and gets lesser beings to set intentions on all these different beliefs, and wola infinite amount of facets created! Then again this is just a hunch, guess I will need to set my intention on how this facet stuff works in my next trip.

@Nahm thankyou for that message. Love is what's True. The void is the mechanism that allows God to forget what it is???? To be honest I have never experienced God as Love, only as the void, and the void just gets more and more voidy. The world gets more and more hollogramish the more meditation that happens. So it is hard for me to understand how the void is not True? The void is simply a mechanism for forgetting??? But isn't the fact that every object in the universe is hollow and made of nothingness True??? Oh well, guess I'm doing too much zen, time to do some bhakti yoga.

@The Blind Sage lol yeah told you privately about that Lets trip sit each other when you come back! We can discover God together!

You're 200% right there, exactly. Zen and Peter Ralstone followers see the void, while Christians see Jesus, and Yogis see Krishna. But I'm not sure if that's imagination... The void does not seem to be a misinterpretation of some absolute, whatever that absolute is. Rather it seems to be a facet of the absolute, and our preconceived beliefs, and the teachings we use influence what facet we will experience. I try and explain it in more detail here. I started to notice this phenomena by watching responses of trip reports in the forum. A lot of trip reports in the past were seeing the void. As soon as Leo made videos about love, people all of a sudden were tripping and feeling absolute love. Which made me hypothesise that these facets were being influenced by the belief system and teachings that a particular person followed. Also that doesn't explain how 2 people from completely different belief systems can see the same thing. The samadhi states in the yogic system for example has been experienced by some Buddhists. And kundalini has been experienced by some Christians (they called it the burning holy spirit). So maybe its a mix of both: some very deep imagination and some absolute facets. Hard to know.

I have personally inferred/observed a lot of 'structural garbage' or devilry in how this forum is setup. This forum is a system like any other system: political systems, corporate systems, household unit, etc. And as with most systems, the system itself is designed to mislead the people within the system for the sake of keeping the system going, rather than making people happy and expanding their consciousness. This system's lifeblood is people's misunderstanding of the system itself. The issue of the mods having a hierarchy stems much deeper than just people subconsciously valuing the words of mods over the others. It also indoctrinates actualized.org followers into thinking that such a system even exists in all of spirituality. There are certain personas being subconsciously implied: 1) that there are people 'more developed' or 'above' others, and those people are valued by a group(be it actualized.org) and then there are people 'below' and these people are not valued. Therefore it implies that your spiritual development is based on the approval of this group. 2) The ones that are above take on a supportive role, rather then a learning role, and as a corollary the ones that are 'below' take on a learning role rather than a supportive role, implying that the ones that are above do not need to be taught and are fool proof, and the ones below need to be taught 3) the ones that are 'above' are above spiritually and mentally(through spiral dynamics) and therefore their words are of higher value and are more accurate than the words of others in this group. There is also a persona to this entire group, which was artificially created by Leo as part of his branding and company. This persona is very deep and is learnt or indoctrinated through the values and concepts/statements he makes in his videos. This persona is a direct reflection of the karmic patterns of his ego/psyche. For example 'working your ass off and hard work', deep valuing of 'insights' and 'wisdom', 'thinking for yourself and the maverick approach', 'precision', 'masculine compassion' etc. This is just a persona, it has nothing to do with truth. The moderators have embodied this persona, and Leo picks moderators who best fit this persona. This is how he maintains the persona in this group, and maintains his entire branding. He indoctrinates people into thinking that this persona is not simply a persona but Truth itself. And he reinforces this by giving them moderator status. You really need to give Leo credit, because if every person on this forum actually practised his work seriously, they would deconstruct this forum to the point that they would no longer get indoctrinated and act according to this made up persona. But people on here don't really, they absorb his persona in his videos like a wet sponge, and in doing so serve Leo's persona and branding, maintaining it as a system, an entity with a collective ego. Leo probably knows this and that's why he has the balls to share the very thing that would destroy his business. Just removing the moderator vs non moderator hierarchy isn't going to do much for misleading people. As said, people are being mislead on this forum well beyond that hierarchical system. While people are being brainwashed by this forum, how could it be any way? for you to "kill the buddha" there needs to be a buddha in the first place. Do you really think Leo's work could really function without it brainwashing/misleading his followers? All practices, teachings, schools, etc that have large bodies of people following and learning from them mislead their students . Its part of a greater functioning/wisdom of the universe. Highly advanced teachers that teach very small sets of highly advanced students CAN mislead their students much less because the system is much smaller, has less people in it and the students are advanced. Strangely while I see devilry in how this forum is setup, if it wasn't for this devilry I wouldn't have seen this forum as devilry. It was thanks to the teachings that I could see it. A strange loop/snake that eats its tail.

@The Blind Sage downloading before this gets pulled off the internet. BTW thanks for uploading it again, though this will probably be deleted like the last one.

guess you're going to have to change your name to noshroomdog

My sister watched a trick similar to this and thought it was stupid/a waste of time. I wonder how such people would ever realize the significance and implications of such alternative perception. I wonder what would make these people click, if they could.

Everything is a controlled substance in Australia Including good politicians.

@Kazman How did you feel about increased heart beat if you ever had it? Did it scare you? How did you overcome the fear?

Your observations may be true, but your judgement towards them are not. The mistake you're making is judging a true insight, rather than lovingly accepting it and embracing it. This is going half way, this is half assing the process, this is devilry judging an aspect of God. And so suffering occurs. The more conscious you become, generally the less desire you will have for such things, and this is to be welcomed lovingly. But right now, what's important for you to do is live out your desires as if you never had the insight.

Yeah the next confusing question is, what is embodiment, is it allowing yourself/conditioning yourself to be in a highly conscious state, or is it conditioning yourself so that you CAN access certain states much more quickly and effectively

Well its useful for exploring consciousness if thats what you mean. Its useful for showing you what this world is really made of. But its not something I would think would be useful to try and embody What i meant by useful in the original post is embodiment.

This was my first psychedelic trip. Others would probably call this a bad trip, so unfortunately no profound stuff happened here, but I still think this experience is valuable to share. I learnt some amazing lessons and am not actually deterred from using this psychedelic again, in fact I look forward to. Baby Woodrose seeds have a compound called LSA which chemically is similar to LSD. Apparently the effects are similar to LSD too. Baby Woodrose seeds have an extensive amount of negative trip reports associated with them compared to other psychedelics. This is because they tend to induce nausea, lung constriction, other muscle constriction, and severe fatigure or lethargy. People who try this psychedelic or read trip reports about it should keep in mind this psychedelic does not reflect the experiences that all psychedelics give, other such as shrooms and LSD have better trip reports. Anyway I had a massive desire to try psychedelics, and getting the good ones are impossible to get. So i was left with this as the only option. I am exploring methods for getting a hold of other ones like shrooms but that will take several months before it comes to fruition. I will start my trip report here: Set I bought 8 woodrose seeds off the internet. I first peeled off the outer skin. I then put them into a blender with water and lime juice, i then got the blender to cut them into pieces. Waited 1.8 hours and then put the liquid through a strainer and drank it. Setting Based on the trip reports I read, I honestly did not think this drink would have much effect on me. So I put zero effort into the setting. I was really doing it out of curiosity and because Ive had a strong desire to try psychedelics for a while. I just continued to do what I normally do. This turned out to be a very well learnt mistake. I suffer from chronic fatigue, irritable bowel syndrome on a daily basis. So most of the negative experiences I had were experiences I were comfortable with (MOST ) Trip 9:50pm: Drank the juice 10 mins ago As expected, I felt nauseous(vomiting), lethargic. 10:00pm: Unexpectedly felt a massive surge of energy just dominate all of consciousness. Happened very fast, got me by suprise. I felt like I was going to explode. I became stunned/paralized by the present moment. I became so present, so fast, that I just got massively shocked. I became so present that all of my memories started fading away in milliseconds, so did who I was, it was like I was rapidly entering a no mans land. And I was paralized meaning I couldnt stop it. The present moment got more and more and more present so fast that i couldnt stop it or control it. This scared the shit of me. But the part that scared me the most was I felt my heart rate sky rocket through the roof, and i didnt knoe if it was ever going to slow down. I was worried that it would keep going up and up and up until I had a heart attack. So after this thought of having a heart attack I knew I needed to massively relax and calm down so i immediately lied on the floor and did huge, ultra slow breaths to try and slow my heart beat. Unfortunately my heart beat did not slow down. Then I felt and saw 'pulses' through my eyes. I saw a blackness in my eyes in the shape of a web and it flickered. Then it stopped flickering. And as it stopped flickering I felt a massive surge of energy explode in my brain and then the present moment paralized me again. I got more and more present. I freaked out more and more. Then it stopped and slowed down. Then the flickering happened, as if the flickering is charging a present moment battery, and then it stopped, same thing happened but bigger. EDIT: I just realized today that the flickering wasnt my eyes but the lights in my room. Which is quite spooky because my consciousness was directly correlated with the lights.... At this point I was freaked as fucked. This psychedelic really wanted me to have an ego death and I wasnt ready and I couldnt tell the difference between ego death and physical real death. "is this psychedelic trying to give me an ego death experience, or did I just kill myself by doing this" Couldnt tell the difference. And it seemingly was not letting down. The bigger reason was I felt like shit from the side effects and this made me believe I wasnt going to come back. The heart beat exploding, the nausea, the lethargy, the chest pain, I thought I was going to die + the body was going to be destroyed. I also wondered if this pulse flickering thing was a sign that i was going to have brain damage. It all happened in less than a minute and I was totally off guard. I then thought, Gosh what am I going to do, its getting bigger and bigger, im out of its control. I then went, you know what just accept it. I tried that but was too scared of dying(physical death). Then i thought, ok you know what just enjoy this experience, have fun and see where it leads you. Be curious, be excited, and just enjoy it. This mindset helped me a lot to overcome what was going on. Fortunately it stopped. And I was just left feeling a bit present, lethargy but also i had heaps of energy too(as contradictory as that sounds). 12:00am I went through periods of extremely intense present moment experiences lasting 5 to 10 seconds, which were valuable but scared me. And then half present periods of just feeling like shit. The negative effects of this seed is a real shame because it really distracts you from doing the inner work. If those effects werent there this seed would be a good psychedelic. I took the negative shit feeling as an opportunity to grow. So i just tried to be lazer focused on being aware of bodily sensations, how they work and what was causing me to feel like shit. Learnt a lot doing this. And it was especially awesome when the drug kicked in and I felt a splurge of awareness just increasingly occuring. Until it went too far and my memories started fading away, and who i was started fading away and i was loosing control and entering a no mans land. Thats when I distracted myself out of shear fear. 12:30am I decided to go to sleep because I was tired. 1:00am Woke up from sleep freaked out as fucked! The paralyzed present moment haunted me again, this time while I was sleeping. I spent the next 30 minutes flirting/skirting on the edge of ego death and normality. Fluctuating up and down, on the cusp of death. Heart beat fluctuating from low to very high to low again. 1:00am onwards. The effects wore off. Reflection Well that was definitely a difficult trip to go through. But I think most of the things that made it a bad trip was my foolishness to not do more for setting. I was actually thinking of doing more than 8 seeds - so glad I didnt do that, boy i would have killed myself. With that trip Im now in a position to really make a good setting: I know what music I need, what room I need to do this in, ehat meditation, yogic techniques I need to do beforehand. I now know that while the heart beat stuff is scary, I know it will happen and I will get through it without physically dying. I know to do it in the morning. I can confirm with other trip reports that this psychedelic has negative side effects such as lethargy, nausea and this does make the trip an unpleasant experience. But where I am confused is there are very little, if any trip reports on this psychedelic about ego death, which is quite interesting and strange. Apart from the negative aspects, my trip went very differently to what others experience.

I live in a country where mimosa root bark is as illegal as dmt itself

Yep agreed

Yeah but you will get fucked if you half ass the teachings of any one of those gurus. Just briefly/shallowly practising what a guru teaches is 10x safer than going half way with their teachings and landing in a no mans zone. Even though briefly studying them isn't good. you might be able to study 100s of gurus, but the average person with the average job isn't going to be able to. I would guess max 5 if they want to do it properly. ps: fuck I took 8 woodrose seeds and they are actually working, I'm shocked. Omg I'm such an idiot I didnt think they were going to work, I'm freaking out. First time doing psychedelics. Sorry I know i shouldnt be writing this.

Actually in the yogic system it was common for people to pick a guru and follow him intensely. Not following him intensely was seen as superficial, much like how fucking every chick without settling down and having a relationship with 1 person is superficial. If you don't follow a particular institute, guru, etc closely, you will never understand their depth and this will most likely result in either you not getting the best out of them or you not understanding them and then misinterpreting them because you were too flippant with your following of them. Yep we've all seen the down sides of following a particular institute too closely, but you seem to be completely oblivious to the equally down side of doing the opposite: not following them closely. The maverick approach is not superior to the 'following closely' approach, its got just as many traps. A fine balance between thinking for yourself and relying on others is necessary for an optimal strategy. Havent you noticed that the people who don't go deep into your work and dont follow you closely enough end up dismissing and demonizing you? Like rational wiki? What would happen if rational wiki ended up actually taking your work seriously and followed you closely? Haven't you noticed that the reason why Shaun had an ego back lash was because he didn't go the entire way with your work? He went half way? "Why on Earth would anyone want to join some "integral institute" and follow the work of one man blindly?" You know if you don't follow some one very deeply, you turn into Shauns, you go half way and get fucked for it. Thats why joining some integral institute is valuable. You want to get really deep with it.

What are examples or ways in which western science can be used to increase consciousness? How can western science actually help you awaken? Honestly, the more I delve into western science, the more I see it as a survival mechanism at heart - rather than something that increases consciousness. Of course science can be used to explain metaphysical phenomena like the entire universe is one big brain, but that only makes sense to people who are already awakened, defeating the purpose. The scientific method just seems to be a process of gas lighting what's actually going on, having profound insights, but then distorting them by projecting a false sense of logic and patterns for the sake of upholding the scientific method itself, rather than just being happy with actuality. I find the liberal arts - like post modernism to be a more effective academic stream for understanding and increasing consciousness then any of the science fields.