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I was just contemplating about why science is not True, and is False, and paradoxically how science is able to be used to create so much technology even though its false. Like how science is able to predict things and make aircraft fly, etc. I think the answer is, because science put laws/limitations on reality. It tells you how certain phenomena should and not not behave. And this very act of limitation has a profound implication for how our universe is structured. See limitation allows things to be created. Without limitation things cannot be created. When you set laws, like what's a number that's larger than 5 and smaller than 500, you allow all the numbers between 5 and 500 to exist, which is a whole range of creations. When you remove that limitation, how can anything be created? Any forms? Of course in this example its obvious, but when you contemplate about this, with every single limitation in the universe (our entire cosm) you start to see the function/purpose of duality. Scientists are not just going around misinterpreting reality by calling it atoms and molecules and energy particles because they are dumb. They are literally helping God enable creation. Without science, aircraft couldn't exists, and its BECAUSE science is WRONG/FALSE that aircraft exist. See how fucken amazing that is? Science is a creation tool. Its a worldly paint brush. That means, scientific revolutions and concepts have direct implications for what world we will live in. What will be created. This is the true importance of science. And if we want a world where everyone wakes up, guess what that means? Limit/divide the universe in such a way that it transforms living beings into people that wake up. In other words, use science and revolutionise it so that people wake up -> create psychedelics using science, technology that puts people in trances or hypnosis, etc. It really is possible, it just depends on how you slice and dice the universe. And its ok that science is false, its meant to be false, so that we can create, and by creating we create duality, and by creating duality we create the opportunity to experience God.

@Lento All of the technology you see, cars, aircraft, all exist in the form they are because of the way science has been CHOSEN to be divided up. Science cause a massive domino effect, creating all sorts of technological creations. If you invent a new scientific theory/revolution about the life sciences, you will see that science ripple through all of the plants, animals, etc, all of the plants and animals will literally transform into something completely different to what they were before the theory. Contemplate this: did evolution happen before Darwin? What if evolution became 'real'/appeared in existence at the same time Darwin created it? That means in the 1500s evolution was literally not real. It only became real after Darwin. then it rippled not just from Darwin's time to future, put also from Darwin's time to the past. Evolution is not a thing that always existed and Darwin found that truth, God/Darwin literally created that truth on the spot after Darwin created it. The universe literally didnt have evolution before darwin created it. This shows you the power of creation. You can literally create the universe you want. You can transform the entire universe into anything. And when it has been completely transformed into something indistinguishable then the past, people won't even notice - they will walk around as if that's how it's always been. EDIT: slight correction. I don't mean evolution became real for everyone as soon as Darwin created it. I mean as soon as someone learns about Darwin's theory of evolution, God literally creates evolution on the spot in your consciousness. That's why creationists have such a hard time with evolution, in their consciousness, evolution literally doesn't exist. God literally didnt create evolution in their consciousness. So actually when creationists say evolution doesn't exist - they are exactly right, it literally doesn't exist. As soon as they learn about evolution, and their perspectives change, then God literally creates evolution on the spot. This is the essence of changing paradigms. People in different paradigms are literally living on different planets. There isn't 1 planet and we are all sharing it. There is a multiverse of planets some with evolution and some without, and we are all living on different ones but communicating to each other as if we are on the same one. So it's possible to create whatever planet you want. And take people along with you on that planet. You can make whatever planet you want.

yes its reductionist rather than holistic, making it incapable of connecting 'emergent properties'. Holism is not superior to the reduction of science. Our mind is capable of intuitively interpreting multiple phenomena to produce a cohesive solution to a problem, or a cohesive 'knowing' to some set of complex phenomena. For example knowing if you should meditate for 1 hour or 30 minutes takes a large amount of phenomena to process to know the answer. Its about combining it all to come up with a cohesive knowing of what to do. But our ability to holistically interpret this phenomena is limited by how reliable this phenomena is, and how well its structured. Where reduction becomes valuable is increasing the reliability and structure of this phenomena so that holistically interpreting the results becomes easier or more reliable. A lot of ancient techniques, methods and knowledge in the past was a lower quality than it could be because the information they had was not in its best shape. Ancient ayahuasca brews cause vomiting while newly developed, chemically extracted ones(using western science) reduce that vomiting. The ones that created ayahuasca brews did not have the ability to design the brew to decrease vomiting because the information they had was not good enough. Science for all of its flaws can produce very high quality information for holistic interpretation. Science is the mastery of using different quantity to produce different qualities, and if the ancient ayahuasca brew inventors had western science, they could of designed a much more effective brew. This is one example(albeit primitive) of how western science can be combined with ancient spirituality to produce techniques for the divine. I can't wait to see how the power of using quantity to produce quality can be used to develop more effective meditation and yogic techniques.

And this is a green shadow when you say my yyyy side doesn't like xxxxx, it doesn't like it because yyyy has some dogmas that clash with xxxxx. You're problem isn't that you're too advanced and now reintegrating blue is too hard for you, you're problem is that you're not advanced enough. Your in some sort of no mans land between green and yellow, and to healthy integrate those blue values, requires you to contemplate them in yellow fashion and integrate them.

Nope, you've become too advanced now, a sort of Einstein, you can never develop those primitive monkey values ever again.

Definitely, adds a bit of Tantra to the path. Got a vision board, have no idea ehat you're talking about, perfect question for shrooms

@Fede83 I had this question for a long time. A lot of tension between the legal dangers, mental and physiological dangers vs the deep curiosity and desire to try them. This is just my perspective, if you feel you haven't got the right technique and the techniques you've been doing are not effective, you need to try every technique(including psychedelics) to truly know what your unique path is. Choosing not to try them out of fear is unhealthy(caution is another story) and limiting your understanding of the best path for you. But once you've figured out how effective is and you choose not to do them, that's awesome, you dont need to do them again. If you find them effective then why not keep doing them?

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thanks Nahm for that Could you just elaborate more on what you mean by thoughts get recycled as appearance? When detachment of thoughts occur, I notice that less thoughts occur and more present moment happens. Of course the present moment is actually another deeper layer of thoughts, like you're peeling layers off an onion. But I don't see what this recycle stuff is.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Go tell that to the shroom in your profile pic and see if it agrees with you. Going from loss of job -> CEO at most reduces a minuscule of suffering, if any. The reason why you disagree is because you've been brainwashed by the Capitalist upbringing you've had to believe CEOs have better lives and are in less suffering than people on the streets - and yet CEOs have the same, if not higher rate of suicide, early deaths and drug abuse as people living on the streets. God knows that the answer to people's suffering isn't manipulating the dream to suck up to the dogmas of capitalism. God knows its a mindset problem. And that's partly why the world is exactly the way it is. The world is already the best, beautiful, optimised for happiness the exact way it is right now. No not the world you're living in, I mean the world you go to when you focus on the present moment so hard that you forget who you are. Any other world than that found in the extreme depths of the present moment is as imaginary as the monster under your bed. And you wonder why, why God did you make a world with loss of jobs, illnesses, murders - simple. Because those things are as real as the monster under your bed. You dream them up every day, then complain when those dreams don't go the way you want. The solution isn't to shout and yell at that monster, the solution isn't to try and kill that monster(how can you kill a dream that you keep thinking about?) the solution is to stop believing in the dream. Same with poverty and illness. The solution isn't to try and cure poverty, nor is it to eradicate disease, its to stop believing in it in the first place. And yet its still valuable to eradicate disease, because God likes to create - but don't be fooled, you're not meant to eradicate disease to end suffering, you're meant to eradicate disease IF its a way for you to express who you want to be, who you are, you do it for the sake of helping God create.

thankyou for that but already know what victim mentality is, I don't need you to give me an example.

Actually a man you were with did a bunch of things and you interpreted the things as negativity So it was: men did bunch of stuff -> entered your brain -> your brain chemicals converted bunch of stuff into 'negativity' So actually you brought the negativity into the relationship, not the man.

That's because the real ones that run the show are not the founders - its the investors. And investors STRICTLY care about maximizing profits. How could it be any other way? If they didn't, there would be no investors. Investors would die off. Startups are a risky business even for the most intelligent investors, so if they loosened their grip on the money side of things even a little, they would be loosing money not gaining any. "the sheep spend their life scared of the cattle dogs, but in the end get eaten by the shepherd".

Go ask him That's not a utopian society, that's much of the same of what's already happening Yes. Because its only the ego that desires perfect health for all humans. The Buddha desires all humans to awaken to that monster under their bed. Try to observe your mentally retarded family member without the ego's corruption. Maybe instead of mental illness you will see deep intelligence. Can you give this perspective to your mentally ill family member? That's what Buddhahood is really about.

@Mindfang413 Time for you to take 5 grams of shrooms

hahahahahahahhahahahaha good one

How do you know when to scrutinize a thought or detach from it. Scrutinizing and detaching are 2 different techniques with different results.

I would just say that seriousness is a necessary attitude for people who are TOO wound up in their ego. Just like how a blue stage attitude is necessary for red staged individuals, seriousness is necessary for egoic individuals. If an egoic person takes on your advice, they will instantly corrupt it and use it for justifying dysfunctional habits such as laziness. But if a non egoic person maintains seriousness beyond its expiry date, it will limit that individual, for that individual will need to do things and act in accord to what the seriousness prescribes, which will literally block activities that go beyond seriousness but are necessary for growth.

according to sadhguru you are

Lets start a massive movement for liking curvy girls, and then call ourselves a minority that gets bullied, then have orange and blue freaks attack us with stupid arguments, then we get benefits like scholarships and welfare programs dedicated to us.

Leo's first video on spirituality, something like 'a shocking truth you wont believe' or something like that. After contemplating that video materialism took a massive crack.

If you research trip reports from LSA as opposed to LSD, and trip reports of 5-MEO-DMT as opposed to NN-DMT you notice an interesting pattern. NN-DMT tends to be highly visual, there are deities, spirits, etc that you interact with and teach you stuff. On the other hand 5-MEO-DMT is the utilitarian brother. It cuts the crap and goes straight for what you're after: god realization and awakening. There are pros and cons to each approach. Based purely on research, people find NN-DMT easier to take than 5 meo. Probably because spirits, entities, etc is still dualistic(even if its of a higher dimension) and therefore its more comfortable for the ego(guessing?). But on the other end, its a distraction, a red herring. These entities are still imaginary. Interestingly theres a similar thing going on between LSA and LSD. LSD seems to be quite visual, and some do report spirits or entities(my friends). LSA is different, again it cuts the crap and goes straight for ego death. On low doses(what most tripper do) they call it 'contemplative' LSA might be an under appreciated psychedelic for spiritual growth. You wouldnt want to use LSA for parties. Most bad trip reports of LSA comes from people's misunderstanding/foolishness on best practices for taking LSA. A few come from the fact that it "cuts the crap". There are very little or no visual hallucinations. A lot of trippers take psychedelics for parties and recreation rather than for spiritual growth - hence their dislike for it. LSA is located in side woodrose or morning glory seeds. These seeds are posionous. If you take them, just like if you take the shell of cashews, or if you take rotten chicken, or any other posion, you will incur very negative side effects: Nausea, Lethargy, basically sickness. you will also get vascular constriction, but apparently this side effect is present in LSD, AL-LAD and lysergic psychedelics. And alarming amount of trippers chew the seeds, therefore eating the poison, resulting in bad trips. There is also the cold water extraction technique which reduces the poison, but not enough for a complete nausea free experience. For that you need to do an extraction with similar complexity to NN-DMT. Anyway just thought this was interesting and valuable for spiritual work. I'm going to personally keep exploring it because I quite like the "cut to the chase" aspect of it. Plus it's less powerful that 5 meo, making it gentler for noobs. AL-LAD looks good too, but what's great about this one is it's availability. Its legal in many more countries than AL-LAD is.

sounds like LSA is a component of LSD https://science.howstuffworks.com/lsd2.htm LSD must be LSA + chemicals for visuals and spirits.

@Schahin you have a point there, the seeds don't affect everyone badly. You must really hate synthetic drugs like LSD with that attitude haha. pharmahuasca is also made by 'raping' the ayahuasca vine with different chemicals, and trip reports suggest it's as natural of an experience as the original brew.

thanks! Great!