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No, thats just your relative point of view of intelligence. Blue collard workers process just as much information as scientists. Everyone defines intelligence differently, and each of those definitions have nothing to do with intelligence. There is deep wisdom and intelligence in the universe. They do have practical usage to explain consciousness.

Eidomorphism puts its own perspective and spin on Godel's incompleteness theorem so that it can fit into Leibniz's monadology paradigm. If THAT is how you define misunderstanding, then yes he does. But doesn't everyone put their own spin onto anything they read or cognise? Aren't we all misunderstanding by default? How do you know whether he is misunderstanding him or not? He's dead, you can't ask Godel to clarify, and even if you could, how would you know if what came out of Godel's mouth is being interpreted correctly by you? Are you actually asking, 'it seems interesting, but from the excerpts I've read, it doesn't fit my paradigm and my paradigm is cool and awesome and spiritual and above these intellectuals because its spiritual and therefore they are misinterpreting Godel, and I'm not sure if I should read this book because it might disappoint me and try to convince me to change my paradigm and that would be aweful because my paradigm is better than theirs and if I loose it I will loose my cool paradigm... ohh and its not a paradigm, its the truth because Godel made it and he's enlightened as fuck'

@Roy Sounds like its a substance that specializes in samadhi states, and extreme versions of it, so extreme that you have a samadhi state in different realms.

What can salvia give you that others can't? In terms of consciousness exploration? When would it be appropriate to use salvia instead of shrooms or any classical psychedelic?

@JakeR fuck that makes me really want to try it

@LfcCharlie4 Gotcha addiction. Sounds live salvia is the perfect psychedelic for you. Dont worry, you wont need to worry about addiction there I dont see psychedelics as competing with meditation or yoga or any spiritual practice. I see it as competing with spiritual teachers. 20000 years ago before language, there was no spiritual teacher, judt spontaneous mystical states. When language was made, the guru master arrangement was formed. When the internet came, the maverick style or the having multiple teachers style came. When psychedelics come, the multiple spiritual teachers will be replaced with psychedelics. You still need to meditate and do yoga, and talk to a teacher occasionally maybe, but your teachings will come through psychedelics. Language is limited, so spiritual teachings are limited. Psychedelics dont use language they use experience, which makes them a hell of a lot more effective. In just 1 trip you can learn how to meditate correctly - something which takes years in a guru disciple relationship. This is a revolution like how the creation of language was a revolution. Nothing will be the same once we've learnt how to use psychedelics properly. Psychedelics isnt appropriate for everyone, but i predict this will be the trend. My first experience with psychedelics was 8 baby woodrose seeds. I taught me how to meditate, where i should be aiming, how i know whethe the meditation is going well or not. That experience alone was valuable, and had i had to do it by myself it would have taken me a decade to figure that out.

Everyone I love is not around me and at parties I didnt get invited to. Deep depression formed from feeling alone and loosing my friends and family and therefore my history. Decided to contemplate on what the sadness is. Long story short I became aware that my friends and family dont exist, their parties dont exist, and Im all Alone(with a capital A). This brought great joy because 1) no other can kill me and 2) I cannot loose other. And this is absolute. Absofuckenloooooot! Im here, the present moment, with nothing outside of me, nothing to kill me, no outer space to loose anything. And the best part of all I'm pure love and joy. Fuck yes what a nice state. I then realized that my sadness came from believing in a false notion of separation, which was caused purely by being sucked into a thought story outside the present moment. The present moment is literally all there is. What happened next was the the physical universe bent: trees bent, space bent. Simultaneously it went to darkness. The physical universe disappeared and all there was, was darkness. Then a pure white light came. With massive bliss, massive energy, massive love. I felt like my past was disappearing at a rate of knots, replaced with pure love. What in the actual fuck was that. Didn't even know the universe could disappear like that.

@LfcCharlie4 Chasing highs is a problem in meditation too. Actually you might find altering states of consciousness really fun... maybe even more fun than the 'normal' stuff.

@LfcCharlie4 Why arent we looking at Shamans??? Am i missing something here? Plenty of shamans that talk about the infinite. Also no matter how good your argument skills are, you arent gonna get to the bottom of how good psychedelics are just by conceptualizing. Go and try it. Then you will see. Psychedelics will be really productive and effective for some personality types but not others. While I've only tried psychedelics 3 times, i can already feel its very effective for me. Because im the sort of person who cant meditate for 1 hour everyday, just doesnt excite me. Im one of those people that contemplate whenever can(most of the day). Because i contemplate and do it most of the day, integrating psychedelics fits perfectly into what i already do. For those who segregate meditation vs life(sits down for 1 hour or 2 a day to meditate then act like nothing happened) could possibly not get far because integration wouldnt suit their lifestyle. You need to also consider times change. New technology replaces the old. Old was horse and cart, now its cars. Psychedelics is new, or are now more publicised due to the internet. You cant rely on the past to predict the future. I have a hunch that psychedelics work best with Jnana types because inquiry determines level of stuff you take back from the trip. Also energetic kriya types would do well with them too because psychedelics open chakras.

@zeroISinfinity mate the universe fucken disappeared in like a second and transformed into something unbelievable. Mate it was like i was cheated i think life is so sophisticated and laws of physics so hard to break and then the fucken entire thing just fucken disappeared in like a millisecond like wtf man

Youre wrong in that you think psychedelics are a useless tool/technology absolutely, but youre right in that it can make some people just go back to baseline. Shamans (and other spiritual traditions like yogis) have been using these tools for healing since the dawn of time. They do work. But its not guaranteed it will work. You need to put in just as much effort as the psychedelic is. The point of psychedelics isn't to significantly increase your baseline. Thats a point you're getting completely wrong. Its to get you(temporarily) in touch with your deepest self so that you know how to increase your baseline. Its to show you states of consciousness that are so bizzare that your mind opens and it unlocks blind spots, things that have been getting you stuck in your journey. Its a tool to boost the process you use to increase the baseline, but it does not increase the baseline itself. Thats why the work is still needed. You won't find anyone who got awakened through psychedelics because thats not their role. Their role is more fundamental then that. Their role simply replaces the role of having a guru or listening to a teacher. With psychedelics you can channel your own teacher who is perfect for you. Who asks: has anyone gotten enlightened by their guru? Like seriously guys come on, no one gets enlightened by spiritual teachers. Therefore spiritual teachers and gurus are a waste of time, ineffective. Dont listen to them kids.

Thanks for the advice! Ill try you again next week and see if i get better results!

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Enlightenment is an illusion If you're not conscious of that, simply up your shroom dose(or meditate more). Suffering due to not realizing youre already enlightened/realizing your true nature is a serious issue that must be dealt with. But teaching people enlightenment is real and theres a clear distinction is deeply unwise and problematic. Youre encouraging people to conceptualize and mentally masturbate over this realm called 'enlightenment', pointing them in the exact opposite direction to where they need to go. It encourages wild fox zen mentality. Youre encouraging people to chase content or an egoic structure(spiritual ego) in the name of becoming enlightened.

@LfcCharlie4 Thanks for the post man! Exactly what i needed to hear! @VeganAwake The same guy who said that we shouldnt look for aliens because they will try to invade us like what the romans did to other tribes. That dude needed to see DMT Machine elves, and see how loving aliens are. AI is a tool, can be used for good or bad. What will determine it's results is our level of development as a species.

@Dutch guy Be open to the possibility that 'hit' is literally a projection, 'rotation' is a projection and 'bone' is a projection. Im not saying the qualia is a projection. Im not saying the colours and the like, im saying your interpretation of them is a projection. What's the difference between hit and rotate? You could say rotating is an object hitting air. Why is hitting real? When an object hits another object, its actually just pushing air onto the leg? When the object seems to touch the leg its not actually touching the leg, there's a thin veil of air between the leg ans the object, and science has shown atoms dont touch each other. So how is your projection of hit real? Yeah you have all of these skeptical concerns about energies IF you believe in your dogmatic projections of 'hit' 'rotate' and 'bone' yet when those things break down then what are you gonna do? OMG you're gonna have to actually perceive reality in awareness and just use that! This is what is meant by the body is a projection. Youre so wrapped up in your beliefs of your definitions of your words that you've built a bogus truth determiner that's predicated upon shaky and corrupt grounds. It seems like the body is connected to energies because youve defined it that way. I dont care how you define things, i care about whats true. And whats true is, the body as a whole is literally a projection. What is a body? How have you defined it? What if after contemplating what the body is for a while you discover its actually just Universal Mind Scientifically speaking, the body is lightwaves reflecting off the body into your eyes then your brain converts the waves into electrical impulses. So what youre looking at is not the body but electrical impulses. So youre trying to prove that energies are in the body by saying these electrical impulses are consistently acting a certain way... instead of this bullshit why dont you just look inward and in awareness?

This one is so tricky and I fuck up both ways with it (or do I? Can't tell) all the time. What's the difference between aligning with truth/following your passion/following your dreams vs maintaining your ego's current structure vs maintaining survival vs being lazy vs lying? In my life purpose, I have a rule that I must push myself out of my comfort zone. So I push myself to do things that aren't me(good thing right because killing me is the goal?). I'm naturally (or in other words my ego's current structure is and what it wants to maintain to death, no oxymoron intended) anti social, love having my own space, freedom, independence and creative problem solving. I've naturally fallen in love with artificial intelligence and AI, and basically making very creative, intelligent AI systems. I've been paid good money by employers in the past for it. I dropped out of university to make a startup around it. Making a startup is far more than creative problem solving and AI though. Its product market fit, marketing, valuing your company, business architecture, lean canvas, etc. I've been through many accelerators and spoken to lots of investors - which also requires really good emotional intelligence, being very social, knowing social cues, etc. So a lot stuff outside of what I like doing (AI and creative problem solving). In the past I've said its a good thing that I'm pushing myself to do all of this stuff, because it helps kill me. Doing stuff that I'm not suppose to be doing, that I wasn't born for, etc. But at the same time you need to focus on a particular niche that you're passionate about. And you can't do that if you're trying to be a business expert, marketing guru, charismatic hipster cofounder, and all of the other stuff they teach you in accelerators. And when I do these other activities, I just feel hollow, because its not what I want to be doing. I don't give a fuck about marketing, business architecture, etc. (well I care a little, its a little interesting, but no where near as creating AI frameworks - especially AI that can classify shrooms... I've been working on a personal project recently of an AI drone that searches for shrooms using computer vision AI. Getting AI and mushroom taxonomy working together is a very cool area of research. Also doing geographic studies or where shrooms grow the most is fun too). But I'm not sure if these feelings (of not wanting to do the business and marketing side) is just ego trying to maintain itself. It certainly seems that way. And if it is that way, is that a sign I need to do more of the thing I hate? The whole finding your niche and specialising strategy of LP just seems like a clever way of the ego maintaining itself, which goes against this work. What's the difference between following your LP and maintaining ego?

@Visionary Love it. From my perspective, the body is not legs, feet, stomach, etc. To me personally that all is illusion, or its projection. Whats not(or less ) of a projection is energies felt in consciousness that are beyond the mind(im very careful here not to day these energies come from the body, because while it seems that way, its not exactly true) and not getting sucked into the mind, and allowing these energies to have awareness placed on them(body awareness) is necessary not to get depressed. So i agree with you, I just dont think its the body, its energetic perception. Like if you watch closely, the chakras are not in the body. Thats a dogma you learnt because your kundalini teachers needed a way to teach it to you materialistically so it would make sense to your brain. All of it is actually within consciousness or our awareness field, and the thought that its located in the body... is just a thought, its not, its more accurate to say its in the mind, God's universal mind. Its important to make this distinction because if you keep looking for things in the body, you have an inaccurate perception of those energetic sensations. Plus the 'body' and mind are connected. If you keep thinking these energies are in the body, you will have a tough time seeing that the mind and body are 2 sides of the same coin. Like energy felt in the heart chakra = emotional problems in the mind... They are the same thing but perceived to be located differently. Once realized these 2 things are the same, you get a union of body and mind which is powerful.

My problem is complex, my problem is, Im curious as to is life purpose and creating and finding your niche a form of ego maintaining itself. The 2nd problem is, i dont enjoy marketing, is this dislike a form of ego maintaining itself Then the 3rd problem is a mix of the 2 above. To be successful in life you need to be a master of 1 particular skill. Im not doing that, Im being a jack of all trades by learning about all aspects of business. Is segregating yourself into a little box(1 skill or set of skills to master) a form of ego maintaining itself(for example being an AI engineer highly specialised in 1 particular branch), and therefore being a jack of all trades a good idea. Or is honing 1 skill not a form of ego maintaining itself and its fine to do that and you should bevause a jack of all trades is a master or none. I don't enjoy being a jack of all trades because i only like business and marketing a little bit. But I love being an inventor. But is this just ego maintaining itself? Or is this a wise way of making a good life for yourself because mastery leads to prosperity. Do you get the question now?

thats a pet project, my startup and part time jobs are completely different. I cant sell that because it would be illegal, and if shrooms werent illegal i would probably look at planting or cultivation tech, not harvesting in the wild tech. Something like low cost robotic device for shooting spores in a syringe or tools and techniques for interpreting agar plates and different bacterial infections. And i wouldn't do the marketing. I know enough of the marketing for figuring out market size, customer segments, execution strategy, but the actual marketers would be hired. @mandyjw So in summary you think the resistance is just BS? What if you really love whatever it is? Have a passion for it? And the survival is not resistive? Is that a form of ego maintaining itself? I sense the problem of "who is killing who" I guess though going out of your comfort zone does expand you a bit which reduces suffering.

business, marketing, and then some sort of passion like singing, acting, art, engineering.

yes! When you connect with a woman, you're connecting with yourself, just not realizing it. And people think relationships are a distraction hahaha.

I don't think spiritual people say that. Lots of orange stage people say that because they are obsessed with their careers. Look at the show La La Land, perfect example of an orange stage show that emphasises career over relationships. Ultimately, life purpose (if done right) is more reliable than relationships. A woman can leave at the blink of an eye, and you will have no way of stopping that. But you have control over your life purpose. You dictate how passionate, or burnt out, you are. Life purpose can give you things a relationship cannot, such as alturistic and creative satisfaction. On the other hand, relationships can give you things that a life purpose cannot, such as having deep intimacy and emotional connection. Both things are deeply rewarding if done right. I don't agree relationships are a distraction. They aren't if you get them righ.

Hey guys I'm just trying to get my LP in shape (been struggling with it for past 3 years). Would you guys be able to write down any 'spiritual technology' that has been effective for you or that you've seen. Spiritual technology is technology used for accessing different states of consciousness. Examples include the dhyanalinga (temple), psychedelics, DMT machine elf technology, neurofeedback machines, new age light machine, tibetan prayer wheel. Basically any device, tool, machine which has the specific purpose of alternating your state of consciousness.

hahahahahhahahahaha sounds like you're talking about yourself.