electroBeam

An enlightened person is not necessarily experiencing joy and bliss 24/7, but he is aware/knows he IS joy and bliss 24/7.

+1 synchronicities are a real phenomena

@Girzo I could say(and feel like saying) that grasping absolute truth has nothing to do with enlightenment. Your psychedelic experiences have nothing to do with enlightenment. And i feel very strongly about that. But i wont say that, because there is a meta point that could be made here. You need to first consider that, who I am, and what 'Im living' is your construction. Its you projecting that. There is no human called electrobeam having experiences. That is all made up by you, constructed through synthesising spiritual information and various interpretations of meditative and psychedelic experiences you seem to have had. Whether im living in delusion or Im enlightened is purely determined by how YOU perceive me. Its completely relative, and whether im enlightened or deluded depends on your ideas or definitions of enlightenment, which are abitrary, not grounded in reality, and are not true. I did not say im enlightened. Because I do not think enlightenment is real. That is your construction, purely. In reality there is no electrobeam claiming to be enlightened. But it may be helpful to see me that way, because it helps support your ideas and beliefs of what enlightenment is, and do a sneaky sense of confirmation bias. I have a strong sense that you have experienced God, joy, bliss and unconditional love during a psychedelic experience, and labelled that as 'enlightenment'. I totally appreciate that you really do think this is enlightenment, and because the post above did not have the same vibe as that experience, you labelled it as 'not enlightenment' or 'claiming to be enlightened when living in delusion'. I would have done the same if i took psychedelics. If it was experienced sober, same shit. Same point being made. What you need to have the courage to do, not for me, but for understanding this meta point, and opening yourself up to greater possibilities in life, is to recognised YOU are the one who labelled this experience as enlightenment. And that was arbitrary. There was nothing about that experience which implied enlightenment apart from you CHOOSING to. You secretly, through indenial, constructed the sense of 'enlightenment' from thin air. There is nothing real about the meaning of enlightenment. What youve effectively done, is labelled a state of consciousness, enlightenment. You labelled properties of God, as enlightenment. When people refer to enlightenment, it is not a state. It is not a set of properties of God. It is a sense of completion, a sense of wholeness. And this experience can, but does not necessarily need to be joyful, loving, etc. The other properties. Enlightenment operates on a different plane to states of consciousness. Its totally different or beyond states of consciousness: joy, love etc. Just because you experience absolute joy or absolute love, or a strange loop, does not mean youre enlightened. And just because you DONT experience joy or absolute love 24/7 doesnt mean youre not enlightened. I guess this is the critique people talk about with psychedelics, conflating states of consciousness with enlightenment. Also be open to the possibility that enlightenment isnt achieved after finishing some sort of race to going meta on states of consciousness. Its not like after experiencing 10000 hours of absolute love, you are enlightened. No, you could be enlightened within the first 10 or after 100000. Because enlightenment is operating on a different plane. Also be aware that people define enlightenment differently. Self proclaimed enlightened teachers have different depths of enlightenment BECAUSE ENLIGHTEMENT AS A LABEL IS RELATIVE. Saying "you arent there yet, keep going" is ridiculously simplistic. And misses a lot of points.

Yep theres an infinite way to go. Can understand the universal mind more and more deeply. Can continue Deconstructing mental or egoic habits, but there is nothing final to be or become. You already are that. You cant get enlightened. Thats ridiculous. How can the universe 'get' anything? It already is everything it can be. Enlightenment is a misleading idea.

hahahahahha good one. The fear also comes from knowing its all you, and you have to take responsibility for all of it. Literally everything, which is fucken huge. Cant blame anyone anymore And because you need to drop this idea that youre going somewhere, that youre growing... I dont know, growing doesnt quite make sense. Yes your thoughts and beliefs and paradigms might change, but you cannot grow, youve already grown. How can the universe grow hahahahahaha In my current mental state(which may change) the universe isnt even working through you. You are directly the universe working through the body. The ego was actually the universe and somehow got confused as the body. Which twists the whole notion of 'do' hahahahahahahhahahahha the ego = human -> ego = universe is a ridiculously, ultra subtle change of perspective. Its almost as if nothing changed, yet because something ultra small has changed, everything has changed. It was like that all along, but yeah. Its different. I think one big teaching Leo did was differentiate from you and You, little self vs higher self. This made me think I, like who I actually am, is different to the universe or I must be different to the universe. and I thought(from this teaching) that I am an ego, and the real I must be something Im not experiencing right now, and have to meditate to get into a state of consciousness where i do experience im the universe. I think this is a slightly misguided teaching. You should say, no you(little you) is the universe. There is no difference between you and You. Thats impossible. little self was the universe all along. There is no you is human, and big you is god, that separation is non sensical. The ego is the universe, youre just confused and hence dont get it. it doesnt exist, its not real, it doesnt make sense, thats just impossible. What the ego actually is, is not that feeling of 'who i am'. No No No. Thats the universe, no matter what state of consciousness youre in. You could be a monkey and the I is the universe, not the ego of monkey or whatever. What the ego actually is, is the subconscious(subconscious = youre half aware of them, thoughts you(universe) has which you slightly notice but dont have a full grasp on or got that thought fully under control) habits, patterns of behaviour, etc. The universe sometimes gets sucked into these patterns of behaviour and accidentally thinks that these are real. Very Very subtle and small. THIS is ego. You don't ever experience being an ego. Never ever. Thats not true. Thats a very misleading teaching. Omg everyone on the forum saying "im an ego, im an ego, am i an ego talking about an ego" have it so fucked up and wrong. That is just so wrong on so many levels. You are not an ego. You are NOT experiencing yourself as an ego. You are always experiencing yourself as the universe. Its impossible to experience yourself as an ego. when you ask 'who am i' no matter how deluded and dualistic you are, could be a fundamentalist christian, the thing or answer you get, answer you feel, is ALWAYS the universe. Yes that feeling IS UNIVERSE. Dont let anyone tell you thats ego or human. Thats is very very untrue. While it is clear that you = universe, literally. This just cannot be changed, this must be fundamental. Cannot imagine something more fundamental than this. But I feel that this whole universe is nothingness is the tip of the ice berg. And hence i will call it a mental state to signify a modest tone to how much I think ive experienced of reality. To show that i expect or am open to things changing.

Do you guys do traditional competitor analysis, and if you do what value does it serve? In traditional competitor analysis, you may make a SWOT table, compare features of your product with others, and show how your product fits the pain points or needs of your customer more than the other products etc. Does this happen in products produced for markets that are above stage orange (or even green)? For example, did Leo do a SWOT analysis of Rupert Spira, Mooji, etc? Seems a bit silly to be honest hahaha. I'm currently making a small business on the side of my normal job, and am up to the competitor analysis part. I can't help but think in a higher consciousness business collaboration works better than competition. But may be wrong.

@outlandish so Trump is a messiah complex?

Whats the difference between someone who wants to change and revolutionise the world and messiah complex? Doesnt everyone want to change the world? Like politicians? Everyone wants to change the world and put their mark on it. Thats the essence of reproduction. You reproduce because you want to spread value - specific to you - whether thats kids or making a youtube channel. If Leo had an extreme, unhealthy level of messiah complex, he would be doing a lot more than being a talking head to a niche audience. He would be running for president, starting osho type cults, venturing into bigger audiences. Leo does have a strong sense of conviction that his ideas are right, but what leader doesnt? and how is that unhealthy? I think there's a fine line between being a leader and having messiah complex, and its easy to confuse Leo for one rather than the other.

You know the law of attraction is a lot more than just you will attract positive things if you're positive. The universe literally morphs and restructures itself, goes against the laws of physics, depending on the attitude you have. Like i mean, of 7 billion people, lets just say objectively 1 million of them are hippies. As soon as you change your mindset, that number changes to 100 million. Its like the double slit experiment sort of, where facts literally change depending on your mindset. So yes, in your old world it will fuck up your game. In your new world though it will enhance it.

@Average Investor yeah I don't think investors are a good idea for this side gig. A non for profit, charity or for profit for purpose are better options, with an emphasis on the first. It would be hard, but the closest thing to getting money (not from customers) would be grants and donations. Investors wouldn't invest in this because its not an investible business. My 'product' is similar to Resonance Science Foundation and this foundation would be the closest competitor. Another indirect competitor would be Ken Wilber's Integral institute. The markets I'm trying to enter would be covered by these guys. Basically technical, but green or above people. The content I would be sharing is technical studies (similar to scientific studies but it does not follow the scientific establishment. Studies like the ones found in resonance science foundation). For example, mathematical models of emotional intelligence in relation to artificial intelligence, or mathematical frameworks for interpreting psychedelic phenomena. The value I would be giving is, giving people positive emotions such as curiosity, fascination and wonder, with a technical/mathematical flavour to it. So they would pay and in return get those emotions. Usually in business, to find value you find a 'pain point' or problem. Unfortunately I don't think I can apply such a paradigm to this business, because increasing more consciousness is not a 'pain point' or problem, like how poverty is. Pain point or problem relies on a materialist paradigm, which this business will not be using. However, at its essence, people pay money for positive experiences or emotions, and so this is what I'm aiming to try and do. I still need to figure out what the market wants, and how to position this thing, and I'm currently looking at competitors to help with this.

Yep agree. I dont actually meditate for an hour a day(or some other schedule) rather i just meditate 24/7 or just contemplate all day, feels much more integrative that way. Sitting down for an hour or 2 feels like youre isolating yourself from the world. Ever since i started meditating all day and treating spirituality as a lifestyle, things changed massively.

I've transitioned to a new phase or mental state which is radically different to the past. Its affected my career and relationships and basically everything. It started after realising that there is no substance or meaning within the words we use on a daily basis, and materialist paradigm. I feel like a whole new world has opened up to me. When someone tells me a statement or some concept, I can instantly realize that its got absolutely no substance, and its just void. I'm barely interested in concepts, or reading, or intellectual knowledge now. If you tell me for example that smoke causes higher co2 emissions, I can instantly realize that this statement is completely untrue because if you contemplate what smoke, cause and co2 is, its just void. Nothingness and just appearance. And this is everything. Its one big seem/appearance. I cannot take any conversation serious now, because I know this person is talking about Nothing, but doesn't get it, he/she thinks he's/she's talking about something of substance, rather than Nothing. This has led to a lot of positive things. But I'm finding it challenging with my career. I use to care about solving problems and making a better place, because I believed in those problems actually existing, but now I'm aware that those problems don't have substance, and are just appearances. And we are all pretending these problems are real when they aren't. This has changed my orientation and perspective as an engineer/inventor. Instead of having an agenda to manipulate the world (solve a problem), I now have a desire to understand reality more metaphysically. I'm super curious about the world, now that I realize I got everything completely wrong. I want to metaphysically explore and relearn everything. This has shook my whole life purpose plan (developed in the life purpose course) because I now do not have a desire to be anyone, but who I wanted to be is simply Nothing. No matter how I explain it. Helping the world is less about (for me now) solving their problems, but expression God's beauty and love. Its about creating for the sake of creating, and BEING apart of the beautiful creation that I am now rediscovering and admiring. This is such a different mindset, and I don't know how to make money from this POV. Its very easy to make money from the problem solution mindset, but how do you make money expression creation beautifully? I feel like the carpet has been ripped from underneath me massively. How do I now make money? What do I do now? Still be an engineer? What girlfriend do I get? I feel like I'm incapable of surviving in such a mindset. I don't know how to make money. This is the biggest thing I'm suffering. Surviving in this mindset. And the intellect just does not work here. So I can't even think about how to solve it, only observe metaphysically. Any insight on coping with this would be appreciated, thanks!

Fleeing to canada is a good option. Not australia, large portions of the population, and the current government, is anti immigration (as much as the UK if not more)

The distinction between a wise person and non wise person is completely relative. The universe is wise from an absolute standpoint, but the idea that some people are wise and some aren't is completely relative. Everyone is equally wise from an absolute standpoint Also the distinction between an intelligent person and a non intelligent person is completely relative. The universe is absolutely intelligent, but no one person is more intelligent than the other. What we call intelligence wnd wisdom is an arbitrary cultural label that has no resemblance to absolute wisdom and intelligence, another way of saying it, a dumb person resembles intelligence as much as a smart person. There is initially sadness from this realization, but afterwards comes deep relief. What intelligence and wisdom actually is, from a relative point of view, is literally something that can be talked about, but cannot be pointed to. Because its not actually there, its simply appearance but no substance. If all the big ego scientists and silicon valley geniuses and show off new age teachers realized this they would be shitting bricks. Bragging is absolutely impossible, because there is absolutely nothing to brag about, unless you insist the appearance is the substance, rather than the appearance, and you have followers who insist the same. Blue collard workers are perceived as less intelligent, or as doing work that is less intelligent than scientists and engineers purely because of conspiracy. There is no difference... ahh this might be an example of what Leo talks about when he says there are no boundaries.

@Aaron p No mate. I would if I had access to them. Actually I'm currently making a drone to collect shrooms in the wild as a side project. Its a fucken awesome project, its got a robotic claw and fully automated and shit.

@Aaron p a definition I held for a long time was intelligence is wisdom in a specific field, wisdom is intelligence in all fields. This is a pretty good one.

@ttm No No No you don't understand the insight I was sharing. You're coming at this too theoretically and intellectually. the way they process information seems to produce different results, but doesn't actually in reality. There are definitions people agree on, sure, but these definitions only seem to be consistent, they aren't actually in reality. Words seem to be useful because they are consistent, but they aren't consistent, and the idea that they are consistent and converge is not true. You're pretending definitions are consistent to maintain your sense of reality. You're not getting the seriousness of the post. I'm telling you scientists are as intelligent as a construction worker, and your above post is an intellectual attempt to prevent yourself realizing this.

No, thats just your relative point of view of intelligence. Blue collard workers process just as much information as scientists. Everyone defines intelligence differently, and each of those definitions have nothing to do with intelligence. There is deep wisdom and intelligence in the universe. They do have practical usage to explain consciousness.

Eidomorphism puts its own perspective and spin on Godel's incompleteness theorem so that it can fit into Leibniz's monadology paradigm. If THAT is how you define misunderstanding, then yes he does. But doesn't everyone put their own spin onto anything they read or cognise? Aren't we all misunderstanding by default? How do you know whether he is misunderstanding him or not? He's dead, you can't ask Godel to clarify, and even if you could, how would you know if what came out of Godel's mouth is being interpreted correctly by you? Are you actually asking, 'it seems interesting, but from the excerpts I've read, it doesn't fit my paradigm and my paradigm is cool and awesome and spiritual and above these intellectuals because its spiritual and therefore they are misinterpreting Godel, and I'm not sure if I should read this book because it might disappoint me and try to convince me to change my paradigm and that would be aweful because my paradigm is better than theirs and if I loose it I will loose my cool paradigm... ohh and its not a paradigm, its the truth because Godel made it and he's enlightened as fuck'

@Roy Sounds like its a substance that specializes in samadhi states, and extreme versions of it, so extreme that you have a samadhi state in different realms.

What can salvia give you that others can't? In terms of consciousness exploration? When would it be appropriate to use salvia instead of shrooms or any classical psychedelic?

@JakeR fuck that makes me really want to try it

@LfcCharlie4 Gotcha addiction. Sounds live salvia is the perfect psychedelic for you. Dont worry, you wont need to worry about addiction there I dont see psychedelics as competing with meditation or yoga or any spiritual practice. I see it as competing with spiritual teachers. 20000 years ago before language, there was no spiritual teacher, judt spontaneous mystical states. When language was made, the guru master arrangement was formed. When the internet came, the maverick style or the having multiple teachers style came. When psychedelics come, the multiple spiritual teachers will be replaced with psychedelics. You still need to meditate and do yoga, and talk to a teacher occasionally maybe, but your teachings will come through psychedelics. Language is limited, so spiritual teachings are limited. Psychedelics dont use language they use experience, which makes them a hell of a lot more effective. In just 1 trip you can learn how to meditate correctly - something which takes years in a guru disciple relationship. This is a revolution like how the creation of language was a revolution. Nothing will be the same once we've learnt how to use psychedelics properly. Psychedelics isnt appropriate for everyone, but i predict this will be the trend. My first experience with psychedelics was 8 baby woodrose seeds. I taught me how to meditate, where i should be aiming, how i know whethe the meditation is going well or not. That experience alone was valuable, and had i had to do it by myself it would have taken me a decade to figure that out.

Everyone I love is not around me and at parties I didnt get invited to. Deep depression formed from feeling alone and loosing my friends and family and therefore my history. Decided to contemplate on what the sadness is. Long story short I became aware that my friends and family dont exist, their parties dont exist, and Im all Alone(with a capital A). This brought great joy because 1) no other can kill me and 2) I cannot loose other. And this is absolute. Absofuckenloooooot! Im here, the present moment, with nothing outside of me, nothing to kill me, no outer space to loose anything. And the best part of all I'm pure love and joy. Fuck yes what a nice state. I then realized that my sadness came from believing in a false notion of separation, which was caused purely by being sucked into a thought story outside the present moment. The present moment is literally all there is. What happened next was the the physical universe bent: trees bent, space bent. Simultaneously it went to darkness. The physical universe disappeared and all there was, was darkness. Then a pure white light came. With massive bliss, massive energy, massive love. I felt like my past was disappearing at a rate of knots, replaced with pure love. What in the actual fuck was that. Didn't even know the universe could disappear like that.

@LfcCharlie4 Chasing highs is a problem in meditation too. Actually you might find altering states of consciousness really fun... maybe even more fun than the 'normal' stuff.