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As God, why can't you reach god levels of consciousness without psychedelics? If you're god, rather than a human, why are you limited by human when it comes to realizing who you are? If psychedelics are imaginary, why do you need them to realize that they are imaginary? And realize other things? Why are people so hung up on this mantra of "everything is within you, you don't need psychedelics, because its within you" and don't see that the whole universe, including psychedelics, are within them?

@Consilience +1 dude exactly right. Surrender is just half the recipe. There's other key ingredients. You find that when something (like surrender) is deeply useful and powerful, you tend to get extreme and just focus on that thing(like surrender) alone, because you think thats whats causing the results. After some months, things go stale, and thats when you've exhausted that thing and look for something else. And the pattern continues. Surrender, meditation, contemplation and energy management are all key ingredients, and there are more like psychedelics. Im up to meditation. I seriously need that in my path atm. Tried the rest, except psychedelics.

Better make sure you don't realise that while driving your car

Yes, but its deeply intelligent. Its not just some random imagination. There's highly elegant, beautiful, sophisticated structure in it. Yes, Romans didn't actually happen in the past. That's not true. There is no past. But the imagination that made you believe that is not just some random, stupid imagination. Its extremely elaborate, diverse, sophisticated and elegant. There is lots and lots and lots of fucken intelligence in the ancient romans, even if it did not happen. What I mean by omnipresence is not that you will be transported through a portal literally to the past and see the romans, what I mean is you will uncover the elaborate, beautiful structure making that dream happen. You will literally see how its a dream, why you believed it, why you were fascinated and fell in love with it, how it sustained itself, how it fit into all the other dreams, Sure it didn't happen and its imaginary, doesn't mean the imagination itself isn't fucken amazing. I get that everything is imaginary. But imagination is not something to just be palmed off as 'illusion' and something to be ignored or dropped. Oh no, its not, oh boy how imagination works is shocking. Under the hood. Its infinite, deeply compressed, highly integrative, and while its astronomically complex, it flows more beautifully than a zen river. the actual fuck. Who created such a beautiful creation There is so much in imagination, all mystical traditions (I know the past didn't actually happen and nothing is real), dmt machine elves, Ghandi! Ghandi is in the present moment! Ghandi's entire imaginary story (which isn't real and didn't actually happen, but the imaginary story is highly sophisticated, so much information and intelligence, and its here!) Nelson Mandela's entire story, and so so so so much more is here! And look, while there is so much, look how consistently, persuasively and believably this whole physical universe, and coronavirus is happening! It doesn't get all jumbled up, mixed up, fall apart, it persists absolutely perfectly. Gosh. As a scientist, this is your dream, this is what you want to study and discover. This is what you wanted to discover all along. If Stephen Hawkins saw this, (i know he is imaginary, this is just an explanation) he would say "holy shit this is what I was after all along" so would Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and all other skeptics. Without a fucken doubt. Even if it was on a psychedelic, they would not deny that this is what they were looking for. This is purely what they are looking for, nails it directly on the head. I'm speaking as a curious scientist, with a passion in science. This is what scientists are looking for. Definitely. I'm not claiming that through this technique or inquiry, you can know more about the surface level of the dream than a scientist. A mycologist will know more about shrooms physically then you ever will. But what you will know is how the physical structure is sustained (how its a dream), how it fits into the bigger picture, what its made of, what produces it, what generates it, why its fascinating, why its cool and awesome. A software engineer may know more than a computer chip engineer about the software, but the computer chip engineer knows how all the software is created at a fundamental level. Through inquiry of this type, you will be like the computer chip engineer, and the mycologist will be the software engineer. If you want to be a computer chip engineer, if you dont(why the fuck not???) then thats fine.

For anyone who is scientifically minded: i.e. Loves discovering reality, such an experience like this is super valuable. You feel like the entire creation is in your hands, and you are the entire creation. You feel and see how all of imagination intertwines together, relates, causes and fits in with each other. Its a massive level of omnipresence. You feel like you're directly experiencing things you thought could never ever be experienced: like the ancient romans, shamans and the buddha. You feel like everything, all of history is shrunk down and put directly into the present moment for you to feel and BE. You wont ever feel a need to look through a microscope, make mathematical descriptions, or any other scientific effort once you see this; all of that will just be part of creation. Everything you ever wanted to know about the universe, and much more, is right here, and the cool part is, its not here through a microscope, critical thinking, guessing or hypothesis, its here directly. Its BEING. I feel like, if you take this far enough, you could feel and discover literally what happened 10000 years ago. You could feel it and be it. Now that's how you be a scientist.

@Haumea2018 Haven't you noticed yet that you ARE psychedelics? Just like how when you fuck a woman, you're fucking yourself. When you take psychedelics, you're enlightening yourself? Psychedelics are part of the infinite imagination you've created. For yourself to experience it. Taking psychedelics isn't running away from anything, its a beautiful, amazing strange loop. This whole you've got to do it yourself, is important to ensure you don't use external stuff to cling onto duality, but there's nothing dualistic about taking psychedelics. Its possible to see it as a non dual effort

@Haumea2018 God is in love with himself, and wants to know more and more about himself. Its not about seeking, thats a human level trying to relieve suffering. Knowing more and more is about being attracted and drawn to yourself, not about relieving suffering or any human level seeking. There's life beyond enlightenment m8. God can know himself for a million years or more.

They elaborated by saying that the ancients have tried everything, from metals to psychedelics, and that none of it works. I can sort of understand on one level, because I've experience stuff that seemed like a kundalini awakening(it was sobee though) and during that time i got the sense that if I wasn't careful, I could twist and knot the energies, disrupt them, and then have to do extra inquiry work to place awareness on them and unknot them. And I can totally imagine psychedelics doing this to you. But my intuition listening to them was telling me that these energies are imaginary, and are Nothing, and they are taking these energies as being absolutely real. They haven't gone beyond the energies and hence taking it too seriously. I dont know, but in my experience, all that energy stuff, while you can feel it, is just bliss, like everything. No difference. The biggest threat i see with psychedelics right now is forgetting to integrate them. Which could lead to dependency. And believing you need to do a dualistic thing (like taking a substance) to get non duality... which is fucked. I see that if you keep taking psychedelics without integration, the fact that its an external substance could trick yourself into clinging onto duality. You need to let the substance go and realise its imaginary and one. And truth is not coming from the substance but you. But this issue is also in meditation. Walking and sitting down in a particular pose to realise non duality? You've gotta let that dualistic idea of sitting in a pose go to realise oneness.

oooooooooo. Extremely deceptive thing going on there IMHO(im my humble opinion) Been there before. That's devilry. Very very sneaky form of it.

What the actual fuck

You need to find yourself before finding a partner. What are your values? Visions? Needs? Way you want to move the world? Do you understand your body? Your mind? Do you know how you want to live without a partner? What house you want? What state you want to live in? When you find yourself, you don't go looking for people, you look for how to give to the people you stumble upon. Being in the right places at the right times come naturally, as the things that stand out to you are the things that align with who you are. When you find yourself, you transition from a bee to a flower, a thing that gives, rather than looks. And the right people, due to the frequency you emanate, find you.

Having sex gives those symptoms aswell. The way you breathe too. If you want to learn how to do psychedelics consciously, there is a way, and that way is shamanism.

Or you can be even wiser and transmutate the sex desires into creativity for your LP and then chase women in 5 to 7 yrs time.

I must not have male instincts then

Because you didn't read the entire thread, you misinterpreted the post as a joke. And you have now spread incorrect information that this post is a racist joke. Anyone who reads the entire thread will clearly interpret it as not a joke. Therefore due to your laziness, you have effectively spread misinformation. Lep has said he's sick of the spread of misinformation, and I personally think its great he's stepping up in this area. So I'll reiterate, I would encourage you to not spread misinformation. Leo, and other people on this forum are sick of it, and are excited of the prospect of having a forum that puts more thought into their posts, and don't blatantly spread misinformation.

You can come up with a semi reasonable case that this is sexist. But this is not racist. As per Leo's new guidelines, I would encourage you to not spread misinformation.

Agreed, that's why i stopped watching him, because beyond self realization you're on your own. No teachings will help you after that. He is literally doing that from our perspective, because he's using language to communicate his depth. Thats why its funny, as soon as Leo made a video about Love, everyone on the forum started having mystical experiences of Love. As soon as Leo made a video about infinite intelligence, everyone started having mystical experiences of infinite intelligence. But what people on here didnt realise, is that (and I wrote that here, and more directly here(but people here misinterpreted me even more than the critique) with lots of resistance) the only reason why they were having all these different mystical experiences, is because the were having 1 mystical experience, and projecting meaning onto it in different ways(intelligence meaning, love meaning -> its all the same experience! Just different projections onto it!) And it is possible to become more conscious and aware of God, and Leo is doing that, but at that point its literally impossible to describe it. Despite this, its still possible to go deeper and deeper. Leo's descriptions are 0% accurate, and all he's doing is projecting cool stories onto those mystical experiences which have almost nothing to do with the mystical experience itself - agreed. But my point is you can go beyond self realization, you definitely can. And going beyond it is not a cool story but real.

@Haumea2018 Leo's descriptions are cool stories. But what he's pointing to is not. What he's pointing to is what happens when you contemplate. The answer you get after contemplation. Its contemplating deeper and deeper into the GodHead. Leo's assertion that some people are more awake then others is ridiculous and ego ce tric - true. Leo's drive to go deeper and deeper is not enlightenment - true. But Leo is not talking about cool stories. He's talking about revealations from contemplation. When Leo or anyone serious takes psychedelics, you take it to contemplate. Not to come up with cool stories. It is possible to paint a mystical experience with a certain projection, to give a mystical experience a story, a meaning, and a projection, but I don't think he's doing that here. Leo is aiming to quench his curiosity. And some teachers - like the Buddha - were into this. That's different to relieving suffering, embodying ever lasting peace, bliss and love, and integrating a non dual perspective into your life. You're not gonna do that with Leo's teachings. With Leo's teachings, you will be more aware of what God is. Leo and you guys are aiming for totally different things, and are on different planes. And your confusion is from taking your orientations and aims as absolute, without seeing they are different. There are different levels to how well you embody bliss, love and truth into your daily life. There are different levels to how conscious you become of what God is. What God truly is. Knowing yourself more and more deeply. This has nothing to do with enlightenment(sorry Leo it doesnt) and 'normal' teachers are aware of this - Jann Esmann talks about depth beyond self realization, and sadhguru talks about how kriya yoga is used for going beyond self realization. This is for the Selves that are curious. Not the selves that are not curious and are just after bliss, peace and love.

Having curiosity for understanding God, and being drawn to integrating a non dual perspective into every day life(living in bliss, peace and this sense of completeness and this sense of satisfaction and love and just basking in it, like basking in a pool on a hot day) are definitely 2 distinct drives. If you've got a drive for the latter, its actually possible to go beyond all of what you are drawn to, and go deeper. The question is, do you want to. Not saying Leo doesn't have whatever you wrote before, inflation or whatever. Its totally possible for someone to go deep into the former without the embodiment of the latter(which i guess would be a form of inflation). But its not like if you have a deep sense of curiosity and are drawn to going beyond that completeness and bliss that you're deluded. You're just different and expressing a different Self. This is how amazing This is.

@fridjonk Leo's teachings are very unique in that aspect of understanding the God machine. Leo is like a pure metaphysician. A scientist for consciousness. And the others are applied metaphysicians. Yeah, I'm in a bind atm because I feel like you learn more from listening to the energies of your wardrobe about enlightenment then you do watching videos hahaha. 1 vs 1 teaching is super nice especially with Nahm. Awake as in, more conscious of reality, or has embodied the ox more than others, or both? Is it possible to have a physical avatar and be more awake than anyone whose ever taught? Sounds like you need to be a dmt machine elf to be more awake than anyone whose ever taught. Like what the yogis say about when you awaken you leave your body or whatever.

@fridjonk I want to separate his teachings from him because i dont know anything about him. His teaching's orientation is what makes it less integrative than Rupert's. His drive is to 'figure out' or contemplate deeply reality. Thats literally his teaching's focus(his teachings before i made this post because after making that post i stopped watching him). He has a very sharp, pointed focus on unravelling the 'how' consciousness works. And he unravels many fragmented aspects, from love, intelligence, bliss, Moo(nothingness), and there's a drive to figure it out. Its like this huge curiosity, single focus on 'figuring it out'. If you check out other teacher's teachings, they arent so limited, and subject themselves to just this single pointed focus of deep contemplation and 'figuring things out'. There's emphasis on how to live with what you've figured out in your day to day life: work, relationships, family problems. How to practice spirituality while living life. How to embody bliss, how to constantly Be peace(in contrast to what Leo does which is, fuck embodying peace, lets go figure out what the fuck Love is, quench ya curiosity). How to constantly be compassionate in times of covid. See the focus is much more on living with mystical insight in day to day life. And generally these sort of rupert spira teachings goes beyond Leo's drive to know more and more about consciousness, its either beyond it, or its just a different orientation. Just a different focus. Leo focuses on knowing more and more, others focus on living through all aspects of life: work, relationships, blissfully, from a different perspective. Could be wrong, but people like Charlie are conflating the 2. Leo has said in a blog post that he's not a zen master but an explorer, and he said on the forum he's passion is studying God, and he wants to do that for another million years. Its clearly a different focus. A lot of sadhguru's advice actually contradicts Leo's. Sadhguru constantly emphasises not taking the path too seriously, being to enthusiastic, and single pointed focus on the path, and taking the ideas of the path too seriously, and he always reminds his audience to treat both spirituality and mundane life equally. To live mundane life to the fullest. And forget spirituality for a while here and there. Leo's the exact opposite, constantly thrusting his audience into more and more hardcore spiritual practices. And he's getting more serious. This comes at a cost: a cost of forgetting to embody, forgetting spirituality is not special, and there's a beautiful life beyond psychedelics, contemplation and non dual ideas. To live a happy life, there needs to be at least some sort of satisfaction. You can't enjoy your life having a need to search deeper and deeper into the godhead. Thats why a balance between hard core Leo/Ralstone and softcore sadhguru is good. Like you've gotta ask why does Leo just want to know more and more and more? And aint ever satisfied? Because I've certainly been in states where i was completely satisfied and felt like just basking in it and living from that place. Because Leo's drive for more is in itself a particular state, not an absolute state.

@fridjonk Leo is the map, not the territory. But his map is looking for something rupert spira's map is looking for. Thats very obvious. Practice both what rupert practices and what Leo practices, they are trying to do different things. Rupert is much more integrative. Leo is much more deep.

No No you got it all wrong. You don't follow Leo for enlightenment, every lasting peace, or to integrate yourself better. You follow Leo to understand consciousness more deeply, or to be more conscious of what reality is. Thats different to Ramana style enlightenment. Ramana style enlightenment is all about integrating yourself better. Ramana style enlightenment is about being whole, being complete, living a life of peace, living a life of beauty, no suffering, integrating your human life with your awakening experiences. Leo will never ever do any of those things if he takes the path he does, and thats not what he wants to do. He specifically said he wants to study God as God for another million years(in a particular reply on here). That has nothing to do with integrating God, or answering how to be blissful and joyful, or how to embody God, or typical enlightenment stuff. Leo lacks integration - by design. Because he's too busy going deeper and deeper into what God is metaphysically. Leo lacks coming back to why enlightenment is valuable in the first place, and he's (not to project just explaining here) disconnected with the joy and bliss and peace and even love aspect in his teaching. And disconnected to the embodiment. He's not trying to do those things, hes trying to go deep. You dont follow Leo to get enlightened or to be blissful or to find what it means to be human, and how to live a good life(even though Leo once said he's channel is about living a good life) you follow him to more deeply understand God.

@Pilgrim Its definitely the unpopular that are the most awakened @LfcCharlie4 This post is turning into the 'guess what psychedelic Leo is gonna pull out of his ass next' I don't know much about Ramana, but the most enlightened people I've spoken to, read about, and listened too are not public. The more public ones are people like Jann Esmann, Franklin Merrel Wolf. And ive spoken to people not on seen anywhere online that I resonate with much more than them. So it wouldnt suprise me if ramana didnt go as deep as some others.