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form is not identical to formlessness. Form is ultimately delusion. Ultimately.

@Meta-Man There's nothing special about form.

of course it is. You don't need psychedelics for that. Just contemplate what a car, house, boat, earth is. It turns out its nothing, and the car only exists by not inspecting it closely enough.

to paint with infinite creativity = no painting at all.

And for some, there is no desire to paint colours, because painting colours itself is so limited compared to not painting colours at all. To paint means to limit. Limit is suffering. Its as simple as that. No matter what you paint, the paint is made of limited-ness fundamentally. There's no way to paint unlimited, so the solution to painting the unlimited, is to not paint at all. Some people go about their life with the desire to paint the unlimited, to create something unlimited. It then finally dawns on you that to paint that means to put away the paint brush.

On a practical level, each teacher's level of realisation is relative to the unique self. Each of us are in parallel realities, communicating to each other from different dimensions. This is because the universe's structure literally warps based on our ego structure. We are all on earth, but earth is completely different for all of us. For some of us, the earth is even flat. Fundamentalists are living in a completely different reality to say Bill Gates. The earth being flat is not flat out false, actually its as false as the earth being round. What determines whether the earth is flat or round, is purely determined by ego structure alone. I'm not making a false equivalency claim, within certain paradigms and universes, the laws and structure needs to adhere to certain form and consistency, but such consistency and form exists for a flat earth. It existed in the Roman times and pretty much for most of human civilisation. The earth literally was flat back then, that was fact. Its not like it was round all along and they didn't realise it, no, rather the earth was literally flat, that was the truth, and the truth changed once people in the 1500s jumped to a different paradigm. When we discovered that the earth was round, that wasn't a discovery, but a change in ego structure, and a literal change in how the universe works. And it goes much much further than this. You're living in a reality so vastly different to your mother that if you ever shape shifted into your mother somehow, you would not recognise the earth, and go insane. And these distortions are so vast, that they even distort the level of realisation of a particular teacher. A teacher is not real, a teacher is completely imagined by You. Everything about that teacher's life, mystical experiences and teachings are completely imagined. And the level of realisation is also imagined. Its completely possible for a 1 teacher to be legit for 1 person, and not legit for another. That's because there is no objective reality. Objective reality is not true, and is relative to how you see the world. You're the one who makes up how realised a teacher is, and how much that teacher can help you in your spiritual journey. No one can really tell you how realised a teacher is, because they aren't making up how realised the teacher is, that's what you're doing. So when picking the best teacher, pick the one that that 'feels' the best, pick the teacher that reminds you most of why you got into this work in the first place. The one that makes you feel a knowing, a being, highest truth, and spirit. And the level of realisation of a teacher or teaching will literally change as you travel along this journey. That's not because the teacher is changing, but because your ego, and therefore world, is changing. This is a natural part of shedding the ego and egoic evolution. EDIT: to get a shorter version of the above, look at mandy's comment.

oh shit:

@The observer Have you got anything better to do?

But you're not the body and everything around it. There's no such thing as a body and everything around it. We are all pretending there's a body and everything around it. Contemplate what a body is. Find evidence it exists. Do that for every object, both physical and metaphysical.

that's exactly what I've experienced too. Basically full awakening is mahasamadhi. You can realize your true nature and be an avatar or however you want to describe it. But to fully release ALL suffering, ALL, its mahasamadhi, or leaving the body. I'm sure Adyshanti, Rupert Spira, and others are highly enlightened, but I do not think they are completely free of suffering. If they were, they would have left their bodies. They are highly likely to have micro suffering, little annoyances and irritations that are too small to worry about, but are there. Its possible to fully not be a human. The ego = maya. Its not just sense of self. Its all of Maya. Its the physical world, your perceptions of food and cake, your bed, a house, etc. Its possible to fully leave the physical universe completely. DMT machine elves are ego. All meaning attached to sensations IS ego. And its possible to fully morph into a bird and completely recontextualise every attached meaning to BE a bird. I've done it, and there are shaman techniques for it. You can go further into DMT realms and even further into mahasamadhi. Nothing wrong with keeping those attached meanings. But you can go a lot further. Like literally, if you didn't have an ego, you wouldn't know what a house is. Birds don't know what houses are. They don't even know what the physical world is. If you know what a house is, its through ego. THAT IS EGO. YOURE STARING AT IT! Time and memories is also ego. DMT machine elves don't know what time is. Go ask them. Its possible to stare at a hot woman, and not tell whether a bird or woman is hotter. Its possible to see them as an alien life form. That's because 'hotness' is relative and purely attached meaning. If you know what a hot woman is, that's ego. If you really wanted to, you could completely recontextualize all of the physical universe, and shape shift into a DMT land. There's so many possibilities if you try. Its extremely hard to do, but its possible. And being a monk and trying to transcend and recontextualize attached meanings is how you get there. Its very hard to get there any other way IME. In retrospect, maybe I'm talking about the occult. If so, enlightenment (self realization) + occult is an epic combo.

@DualityTheory yeah in hindsight I got it backwards. The 'spark' does exist, but everything else doesn't. The beauty of a woman does exist, but the beauty != a woman. The beauty is God, and woman is delusion.

That sounds good in theory, but practically speaking you're gonna grow a lot more in the jungle. If you're trying to loose weight, its a lot easier to do that when you have no junk food in your pantry. As opposed to having lots of junk food in your pantry and being tempted to eat it. Once you are off the cravings, you can go back to having junk food in your pantry. But until then off to the jungle! But that's hard to do, you need to work on it.

It doesn't really matter if you're an avatar or not at that stage. If you're an avatar, great. If you did mahasamadhi great. But if mahasamadhi is the way for you, enlightenment means you accept that and allow it. You've got absolutely no stakes in the game of life. If you would like to call god's will impersonal desires, thats good. But at that stage, there is no desiring, because there's no sense of ego or self. And God doesn't desire, God just does. That's the way of the will. The will manifests so fast that there's no time for the desire to set in. God's already doing what he wants before you've realized. There are lots of things that we do because of interpretations of reality. These interpretations are ego. Ego isnt just sense of self, its all of maya. Its the physical universe itself. You need to be careful thinking enlightenment is just realizing oneness. It goes well beyond that, every sounds, sight and smell has to be recontextualized from a non human standpoint. You can't see food as something you need to eat otherwise you will die. Because you're not a human. You need to recontextualize what food is. You can't see your family or sex the same way aswell. Many spiritual teachers like mooji have sex scandals even though they are apparently enlightened. You don't normally do this with a new recontextualization. But you could id there is still ego lingering around. I've personally done the work to recontextualize food, and through inquiry work stripped away its meaning so its just raw sensations. Eating happens spontaneously and just by allowing consciousness to flow. You really need to do this for everything to fully relieve all suffering. And this is why celibacy and living as a monk has its strong points, because every time an unenlightened person has sex(for pleasure) eats(for pleasure), etc. They reinforce those old, human contextualizations and meanings of being a human, and ego. Every time you have an urge or craving, you need to question it severely and strip away its meaning, or recontextualize it. You don't really do this by binge eating or by having sex IME. For people who are enlightened, it doesnt matter either way, there's no skin in the game for them.

Even if you had a million cakes every day, you'd still be depressed. Desire literally is suffering. Gratification is suffering. Letting go of gratification and desire is happiness. Developing visualisation abilities to that extent would fuck you up even more than the strip. Gratification would be ridiculously viable. Thats why virtual reality is a sleep machine. The world wont know what sleep is till everyone is using VR

@bejapuskas you need to live it at least once in your life

some eye opening articles: https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-lockdowns-effect-on-air-pollution-provides-rare-glimpse-of-low-carbon-future-134685 https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-cite-pollution-decrease-calls-flatten-curve-climate-change-post-coronavirus-1497430

There is no more need to eat a cake than it is to eat a rock. Having an ego mind makes it so though. In my experience, to truly rid yourself of all suffering, mahasamadhi is necessary. The rest is just delaying suffering for short term gratitude.

@LfcCharlie4 you can live without desire. You can eat, not because of the desire to eat, but because of God's Will. Because of surrender and allowing the stream of consciousness. Desire is a human thing, you can be constantly aware that you are one, but you're not truly enlightened if you've got desires. If you are afraid of dying at the cross, then that's not enlightenment. I'm not saying to take a vow of celibacy to get enlightened. That's like saying to be a politician you need to wear a suit. Ridding yourself of desires is different to vowing crap. But make no mistake, desire is an egoic thing. And yes to be fully enlightened, the body will be destroyed. That's called mahasamadhi.

you don't have a choice. It will eventually be done, if not this lifetime or the next.

If you're not gonna bother unwiring yourself from sex then you're not really serious about this work. Sex is not deeply wired in you. Sex is your ego interpreting sensations and attaching meaning on it. There's no such thing as hormones and the like. Sex is ego. The intensity of your sex drive is relative to your ego structure. If you can't even bother yourself to adapt your ego to minimse sex drive, good luck getting enlightened. Minimising sex drive is kindergarten. That goes for all cravings including food, family relations, money, etc. Nothing wrong with sex and having it, but sex adds karma to the Universal Mind whether you wanna hear it or not, and that karma needs to be undone for enlightenment. You cannot enlighten if you have cravings. All cravings must go... otherwise you're just bullshitting yourself and you aint enlightened. No where near close.

maybe you should look at his username first before asking that

I've tried very instruction based techniques. In my experience, very instruction based techniques are not effective for me. Because they force rather than let consciousness accumliate energy. If you are like me, try golden flower meditation or loving kindness meditation. For example: 1. Sit down and relax. Take very deep breaths, at every exhalation, feel your entire body expand, as if it floats away and dissolves. 2. Once you feel like you've sunk into the ground you're sitting in. Imagine a close family member suffering. Imagine that they are trying their best but failing. 3. Visualise a beloved deity or a symbol of God that you resonate with, or just remember a trip of Love you had, or a time you felt deep love. Wrap that suffering family member in deep love. 4. Do this for strangers. Try and see them suffering and trying their best. 5. Now do it for dictators and tyrants. See how their decisions caused them lots of suffering and they did it due to mental illness or because they were hurt from childhood

Talking about mirror exercises, look what i found:

So decided to try sleeping by crossing ma legs and meditating. Just saw some things that induced lots of fear. Became conscious that the entire physical universe is a thought as expected. So there are helicopters that always fly around at night because I live near an airforce base... became conscious that this was an entire thought story, and the only real thing going on is the sound. And the mind is making up the rest. Became conscious that sleep was imaginary This is where fear started occuring. Just as an experiment to see how false the physical world is, decided to try and replace the thought story of helicopters flying around with a story of helicopter aliens abducting people. Started actually hallucinating that this was actually happening. Literally started hearing people screaming and started seeing flashing lights coming from the window. Started hallucinating that I got up from my room and exited the house and saw alien helicopters abducting people. Existential fear of being abducted was very real, because it was a hallucination. It was deliriant. The only reason why I knew it was a hallucination was because it was different to the physical universe... but thats the thing, this literally was AS real as the physical universe. And thats why it was scary. It could have easily have been as real as the physical universe, and it could have changed the world as I knew it. No doubt in my mind I came close to permanently living in an alternative dimension for real. Next fear: As the physical universe faded, and as sleep faded, as the mind entered deep sleep, the entire universe went to a void. A massive void. Much bigger than a typical zen void. I felt like I was going to a place, completely foreign, and would never ever come back to physical reality. The I was dying rapidly. Again its super scary because all of maya, rven beyond the physical, seems to dissolve, and there's a strong existential fear of not knowing if you will come back. As that happened I pulled back into this dream. And went into my bed. I don't think these experiences are excuses to not do the practices. I'm sure you guys go through this on psychedelics. How to overcome such fears?