electroBeam

Maybe its because I'm as imaginary and as much of an idea as you are, and everyone else is. Maybe that's the missing link. Maybe we are all philosophical zombies, including me. Edit: That was a ridiculously dangerous hypothesis in hindsight. oohhhhh. Yes you're an idea, you're not experiencing anything, you're just an idea, and that makes total sense because so am I. hahahahha ohhhhhh yeah I'm not the body or mind. That's right hahahahaha. ohhhh ohhhh ohhhh ok hahahahahaha You only think others have an ego if you have an ego. If you don't, then so don't others. There's the answer to my burning question fucken caught it bitch woop woop.

@Leo Gura Just to triple check I got the map right. I'm God Imagining that you(Leo) are a spiritual teacher who made actualized.org to help the world. I'm imagining that you're having spiritual experiences, and doing retreats and all this stuff. I'm imagining that I'm 1 out of 100s on here who are trying to enlighten, and I'm imagining that there are other people trying to enlighten. But in reality, that's all completely made up, and what you actually are, is God/Me, talking to Me, trying to wake Me up, and that whole story of you being a teacher living in las vegas doing pickup, teaching all these people is just there as 'padding', as a way of making God's message more believable to the ego? And all these other people on here, is just padding? An elaborate story designed to coax the little me into discovering God? If its truly the fucken case, that there's just one ego, why am I just one person out of 100s on here? What makes me the solopsis one, and not the others? Why is the story deeply elaborate. Its very very realistic. It really really does seem that I'm just 1 ego out of 100s on here. I'm aware that we are all one, but it seems more to me that every perspective is valid/exists, but ultimately we are all the absolute. Like lets assume my perspective is the only one existing right now, look at your convo with Waken, that seems super super convincing that my perspective isn't the only one here right now. If my perspective is the only perspective that exists, then why are you arguing with others? Wouldn't you only do that if their perspective exists too(Rupert Spira's video deeply resonates with my current understanding) Why is my perspective the one that exists? Instead of others?

@Waken I think he's saying the only POV that exists is yours.

Yep that's exactly what's happening. There is no future dreaming or reincarnation, all dreaming is now. God is not future dreaming, because future is NOW the future is directly accessible NOW. That's why some people can predict the future, because the future 'is stored in the present moment' so to speak. In the depths of the universal mind. So is all dreaming. Form changing literally = Formlessness. Changing is identical to formlessness (I.E. no changing, eternal stillness. ). Form is just an appearance, and the idea that it changes is an appearance too. If there wasn't, you would be able to observe evidence that changing is real, but when inquiring, its just not there. Only in appearance its there.

of course he doesn't. He doesn't have needs.

I'll give you a nobel prize when you can prove an absolute difference between black and white, square and rectangle, horse and car. Your eyes are distinguishing consciousness from consciousness, in the name of 'change'.

@Leo Gura contemplate what change is, and find evidence of its existence. It seems like it changes, yet the boundary between 1 particular form and another is indistinguishable.

But is it? Form changes, but that change = formlessness. No matter what it changes to, it boils down to the same thing: form. So ultimately does it change? Anyway nevermind, gotta find a way to get my hands on the golden teachers, much better method of channelling the answer. awesome point that's right

I'm looking at direct experience/empirical observation. I'm approaching it from a deconstructive approach. I'm not really looking for exploring the mind's creation, I'm looking for what God is. Not looking at all the different sorts of hollograms, looking for what the hollograms are made or or come from.

Time isn't real. There is no such thing as dreaming up lots of dreams. There's no such thing as next.

all of its finite ways = other ?????????????????????????????? in direct experience, all finite ways don't exist, all that exists IS THIS FINITE WAY THIS POV

Leo is no more real than santa clause.

No that's my interpretation of mahasamadhi based on what Leo said. Of course mahasamadhi is extremely, ridiculously more radical than that. That's a highly highly highly dualistic and materialistic way of looking at mahasamadhi

+1 ?❤️ In all honesty, there's no difference between mind, body, misperception, confusion and ego.

Where does compassion for other come from if there really really really is no other?

You're talking about spirit, not ego? Yes electroBeam and jafy33 is one, we are both God, Im feeling you now and you're feeling me, or more precisely, I'm being you and you're being me. I get that spirit is 1, and we are all 1, but ego is 1? Since when was the ego 1? Why do you act different to me if our egos are the same - ego being delusion/made up stories. Sounds good @Nahm loving the confusion. LOL

what the fuck

But you are ending the partiality, which is death for all those partials. If you/I did mahasamadhi, I would be ending your life as Leo, and you would be ending my life as electroBeam. What I'm saying is, you're not just ending your life as Leo only, you're ending electroBeam's life and all other 7 billion people's life and all entities. Thats a fucken big step, from ego death to all egos in the universe death. You're taking responsibility of ego death for the entire universe. You're not leaving your body, that's just a story, what will actually literally happen is you will kill your mom. To merge with her. You will literally kill her. There was nothing wrong with that, just the possibility of having 7 billion ego deaths, as opposed to 1, shocked me. All simultaneously.

The intelligence of this dialogue isn't delusion.

Yep Real vs Imaginary = Form vs formlessness. But since we are talking, we need to start from somewhere. You are living in the US while I'm not, yet we are both in the same place(present moment) at the same time. Because US = Australia = Consciousness. Form = Formlessness.

I either don't agree with you (my mystical experiences contradict what you're saying) or we aren't communicating with each other properly. No other people are alive. You are alive. That's not duality talk, that's non duality talk. You are in the present moment, like me. Because me = you. Are you conscious that you are talking to yourself, and me = you? I'm fucken 100% away that when you reply to me, that's me. And if you suffer, that's me suffering. That's real. You're not imaginary. You're fucken real mate. When I see my mum, I don't just go "oh she's imaginary" "me and other people are a barrier" no she's not imaginary. Her story, body, and the idea that she is separate to me is imaginary, but she isnt! That's delusional mate. She is me, her soul = my soul. Its the same. But she acts different to me because she is in a different dimension to me or in a different life to me. Its me infused with a different filter. When I see an ant I don't just go oh that ant is imaginary. No I'm conscious that that ant = me. And if I step on it, I'm torturing myself. If you haven't had that mystical experience (not belief!) I don't know what to say. I can feel that ant suffer, and that ant IS ME! There is no evidence that the ant is experiencing walking on the ground, sure, and the idea that its feeling the ground and looking at the sky, etc. That is all delusion if you think you know that, sure BUT you can still feel the ant as you. You still intuitively feel is experiencing stuff. You can feel that the ant is partial you. And all partiality experience stuff and suffer. That's universal. You don't know what it is, that it experiences and feels, but you know it does. And you know its suffering. And you know that when you step on it, it suffers. You almost feel that you are living as the ant right now and suffering. I know you've said you can't feel suffering anymore, to be honest IDK what the fuck that state is, but a real mystical state is realising that while people are not separate from you, they are all living separate lives to you, but at the same time they are you. They are living in different dimensions or whatever. All simultaneously with you. Every person on this planet is you, is a different dimension of you(I don't have evidence of what that dimension is exactly, and its delusional to think so but i know from direct experience that every person is living a different dimension). You want to help me and all others on this forum right now because of that. That's how it definitely 100% works. Now if I end the dream, I'm ending me AS YOU TOO! That's fucken shocking. I'm ending all those dimensions of different permutations of me. That's what's shocking. That's why I was shocked. Because while your little self is not experiencing all of those different dimensions right now, you're just experiencing your 1 particular dimension, you would end the lives of all dimensions. I die, you die, when mahasamadhi happens... or that's what Leo was suggesting. I'm not saying its real, but the possibility was very shocking to me. It reminded me of the mystical experience of realising all people lives are in the present moment in front of you. A very strong sense of omnipresence. Like you, Phil/Nahm, are in the US, but you're actually in the present moment, and I have access to where you are right now, and everything about you(not to be creepy) because you're in the present moment. And likewise with the little self of me.

Relative to what you believe I guess. The idea of trying is scary. Maybe that's what's stopping it.

I could try that, but I have a very deep feeling that this is not a good idea. Maya is a massive house of cards, and doing that is like taking one of those cards out. You could be stuck in a parallel universe forever. Hallucinations are very real(relative to the physical world and maya). You need to take them very seriously. The universe at any moment, can switch from being whatever it is now, to something completely different. Its very easy to become schizophrenic.

@Leo GuraI wonder if this idea that you need 5 meo dmt to do all of this stuff, is itself imaginary. I've written of an experience I had in the past where I had a shroom trip (or at least a very deep mystical experience) just by very heavily concentrating on what shrooms are, and not eating them. That really showed me how flimsy rules like 'humans are incapable of these states of consciousness' or 'you need psychedelics for blablalba' really are.

Already got a question. What's the difference between telepathy and omnipresence?