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As you said, it depends on your level of consciousness. You can think of it as 2 parallel universes going on at once. From one perspective, Jesus is a crude neanderthal. From another, he is operating at a level where he is actually using his understanding of timelessness, eternity, infinite love etc to live a good life and help others. Which is extremely beyond crude. And its not like the 2nd perspective builds on top of the 1st. Its like an optical illusion, where the both exist at the same time. The first perspective is no truer than the 2nd. Which is why I don't really get the value of going up the ladder of spiral dynamics, when it breaks down anyway through meditation. And the new perspective or life you have after it breaks down is so much more cooler than going up a stage.

But what if you were trying to analyse Jesus's values for a school assignment. And completely forget about the mysticism aspects of him (or completely deny them if you're an academic). He must have some values right? There must be some sort of SD conclusion you can project with some accuracy or conviction? Or maybe not. Maybe where you peg Jesus actually depends on your level of development. If you're the pope, you peg him at blue, if you're more awake, you peg him at a different point in the spiral because you recognise the more mystical aspects of him. Oh right maybe that's what you mean by SD assumes everyone is at a particular baseline of consciousness.

I was making a point from a holistic standpoint. Not based on some 1 liner Leo said for a couple of seconds in a 2 hour long video. Don't take things so literally. I'm not attacking Leo, my question was to further understand where Leo was getting at with mysticism and spiral dynamics. If you actually watch the video, and actually look at his post in the turquoise mega thread, 60% of turquoise according to him is highly related to mysticism. Non dual experiences, paranormal phenomena, etc. Stuff which the original model doesn't talk about. And even if Leo doesn't conflate the 2, his fanbase definitely does, and I take the general collective perception of his fanbase into account, along with what he says personally, because it derives more implicit understanding about what spiral dynamics is, and how it affects behaviour on a collective level. Making a wider point that spiral dynamics is meant to be dropped around tier 2. Gotcha. How did I miss integral theory, only looked at it briefly but it aligns very well with my experience. That's a model I have to study. I'm curious about the paradox of the non linear and linear aspects of waking up in relation to the spiral. You're implying that once you get above a certain stage, waking up starts to ramp up in intensity: so a linear progression from growing up to waking up. Yet there is also a non linear aspect, because you can wake up at any time on the spiral. Once you experience timelessness, this point becomes interesting. And what's interesting is, spiral dynamics is a great predictor for how worldviews work on a worldly level from a particular perspective, but then completely breaks down from another perspective. And its both a great predictor for how things work, and completely breaks down, simultaneously. For example, spiral dynamics makes complete sense for how stage blue societies worked in India. From a worldly perspective. Yet if you read stories about how enlightened beings (tantra in particular) behaved. Their behaviour is completely undefined from the spiral, for example the story of Padmasambhava. And if you've got any experience with enlightenment, you actually understand and have lived the perspective of enlightened beings like Padmasambhava (once you experience eternity, immortality, no ego, timelessness, etc) And seeing those 2 perspectives (SD and enlightenment perspective) work simultaneously is interesting. Anyway, I'm just being a nerd. This stuff isn't practical or important for most people.

Yet those are the countries with the biggest populations.

there's no such thing as an asshole being rejected like a piece of shit. Assholes are the ones that do the rejecting like a piece of shit.

Nope. You can be an enlightened tarzan, but still a tarzan. Plenty of shamans way more awake than Leo out there, yet barely above purple. Zen enlightened masters that believe women can't enlighten. And then there's my personal XP. Many many many many many many mystical experiences and awakenings yet still as blue as a pair of balls being squeezed by the rock. And the spiritual teachings I resonate with the most are extremely advanced, but very blue. Yet they are so advanced that the spiral doesn't even matter. Its a spec compared to infinity. And people actually change colour based on their environment. Chinese international students are blue in China, they come over to a democratic nation and start cheering to free the nipple... Love it, thats a nice way to put it.

2 personal insights today: 1) Always value the Truth/nonduality/God consciousness over materialism/3D matrix/ego consciousness. Do everything for God, not for the ego. 2) All of the wisdom, insight, love, honesty is in the present moment all the time. You don't need to chase it or go after it. Every atom in the universe has infinite love, wisdom and bliss. And all of your chasing is coming from wanting what's in that atom. You already have what you seek. All the time. 3) Be ruthless with thoughts. Don't give them any space to be believable. For example: bad pickup session generates negative thoughts about appearance, women's motives, fears about lack of income (inferiority complex), etc. For 1) you aren't picking up girls for pussy. You're doing it to get in touch with non duality and God consciousness more. Every rejection, embarresment, attack, bad perception that others have of you is an opportunity to drop thoughts, shed ego, and get closer to source. For 2) you already have everything that girl can give you every single second. For 3) The battle here is not believing thoughts. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Further insights from 11/08/2020: 1) basically everything that causes suffering doesn't exist. It only seems to exist. Embarrassment, disappointment, annoyance, irritation, hatred, judgement, hopelessness, depression, are all surfaces. But they are not substance. You confuse those surfaces for substance, and that's the generation of suffering. Remember that the game has already been won. You've already completed the boss battle. You just haven't realised it till you penetrate the surface and enter the substance. You've already got everything that you ever wanted. Its the substance. 2) Your fear from doing great work (career) and picking up the hottest women (sexuality) comes from your fear of not being able to accept Truth. What if the truth is you're a shit guy? And that hurts your ego? What if pickup reinforces that? What if that hurts the ego? What if you can't accept that? The trick is, you can accept that, but you've been tricked into thinking you can't. THAT is where the suffering is coming from, from the fear that you can't accept the thing that causes the fear. Know that, you are capable of accepting everything. Regardless of what your thoughts or reality tries to tell you. Its in your nature, your blood, your DNA, to be capable of accepting every possible thing there is to accept. When going through fear in pickup or career about being rejected romantically or because of the work you do, know that if you penetrate through the thoughts, you CAN and WILL accept the way reality is by your nature. You don't need to fear about not being capable of accepting reality the way it is, because you CAN and WILL do that by default. Corollary to 2) if fear was real, you wouldn't be able to accept it. But you can accept it, precisely because its not real. You can accept the possibility of being raped, murdered, blown up by ISIS, going to jail, etc. Because the fear of those things are not real. You only think the fear is legitimate because you think its real. Literally the answer to being fearless is simply the realization that what the fear points to isn't real. Can't get any more direct than that. Its all about revealing the trick, opening the curtains on fear. Seeing what fear actually is, rather than what it seems/tells you it is. It is the ultimate trick of the entire universe. The heart/core of the devil. You were born to accept Truth. Its in your DNA to accept truth. Its not in your DNA to accept fear (or what the fear points to as a real thing). But that's the whole trick. Fear isn't real(or what fear points to isn't real), and the reason why you can accept everything, isn't because you are capable of accepting what the fear points to (you/God is not capable of accepting that) but you ARE capable of accepting the thing that is revealed once the fear has been seen as illusion. And that thing that reveals itself once fear is seen as an illusion, ALWAYS ultimately is revealed because its permanent and true. Fear is impermanent and so its temporary. Truth is eternal. Fear is limited while Truth (opposite to fear) is unlimited. For example, you fear being rejected when handing in your resume to an employee. Because you fear him revealing you as an imposter, bad worker, surfacing old traumas. The trick is, those things the fear points to, imposter, bad worker, surfacing of old traumas, aren't real. And what's real is the creator. So when you hand your resume to your employee, you're worried about all of those things becoming true (imposter, etc). But in reality, all that will come true is God. And to be fearless, is to realise that the things your fear points to are not real, and what's real is God. So when you hand in that resume, what will be revealed in actuality is God. But its so God damn hard to accept this. You're so scared of the alternative, that its hard to realise this. But that's the core of the devil. If you unlock this, you get everything you want. You're right in that you cannot accept being an imposter, bad worker, etc. You/God is incapable of accepting that. Its too bad to be true. So you're right to fear those things. But where you're wrong is those things aren't real, and the only thing that has to be accepted in this universe, is something you can accept as your birth right: which is Truth. The creator, the one that is revealed when you penetrate through the millions of layers of thoughts. EDIT Holy shit, all negative emotions stem from confusing truth for something that isn't true ?????? Holy shit my life was a lie. Again. How many times am I gonna realise my entire life was a lie, before I finally accept its a lie? Alright next goals: Go through the most challenging, difficult, hardest, things in life (and most rewarding) and fucken do it blissfully, fearlessly and lovingly. Put this insight to the maximus test. Bash ALL the fear out of you. 0 fear is the goal.

yep, Absolute hopelessness in trying. Yeah that's the right way to go about this. Its not the job, but your attitude that makes you happy, thanks.

So I've got massive dissatisfaction with my career at the moment. I feel completely uninterested in the work that I'm doing on a daily basis. Its reaching a critical level. I don't see the value of it, I don't feel like I'm progressing in the right direction. I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere. I don't feel inspired, fascinated, or excited with the work I'm doing. I'm always distracted by other things, stuff I'm more interested in. I don't have passion for my work, and a neglect of care for the outcome of my results. There is clearly something I'm more interested in, but I've kept away from it my entire life and tried to distract myself with other stuff because that thing is hard to make money off, and I've got autism and don't feel comfortable providing value through understanding people. I've also tried to apply Rupert Spira's wise words about his life purpose. He said he use to be a pottery maker. And he only transitioned to being a teacher because it helped more people, not because it made him happier. So a confusion I have is, I hate my job, does that mean I should really be trying to love the job I have, rather than changing? Is changing jobs an ego trick? On one hand I feel like Rupert is onto something, the path is about accepting what is. But on the other hand, I'm very very very drawn to other things. Its a powerful force that cannot be stopped. I'm deeply ineffective with my work because I don't like it. And I can't apply Rupert's words no matter how hard I try (been trying for past 3 yrs). I'm very very very clear on what I don't like, I've tried many things, through university courses and in the field. I don't like: Science, Technology, Engineering or mathematics (massive hate passion). Visual or musical art. western medicine and law. policing. firefighting. being a journalist. being a pilot. being a mechanic. being an athlete. being a tennis coach. magician What I haven't tried, but am quite sure I wouldn't like it: alternative healing personal development coach seduction coach using siddhis somehow to provide value (like siddhi vasi healing) alternative medicine nutritionist What I'm drawn to and interests me: 1. Eastern Philosophy. 2. How to live a good life. 3. Nonduality. Tantra. 4. Very big picture thinking. 5. some of the very big picture aspects of sociology. Not studying and science. I don't like science. I don't like making hypotheses, testing them, repeat. Rather I like applying eastern teachings and being directly aware of knowledge. What I truly want to do: 1. provide really valuable content that helps change people's perspectives to help them get through life with less stress, better health, more open mindedness politically/socially/scientifically/culturally. 2. Showing people, helping them experience the beauty in life. Helping them release tension, opening their minds up to timelessness, eternity, detachment, love, empowerment, etc. What are some videos or introductions to some people who are doing the above 2 points really passionately, and loving it?

Practically speaking, its better to rip the bandaid off quickly rather than slowly. As hard as it may seem, "if you're going through hell, keep going" ~ Winston Church hill. Clarity: Everything that's wrong with you right now is thoughts. Thoughts telling you something is wrong. Drop them. Its not that things are falling apart, its that your thoughts are telling you things are falling apart. Steps: Not sure what your spiritual/meditation style is. But if its Love, then look at the present moment and remind yourself that its all love. Remember a time when you felt love in the past, then make that feeling bigger and bigger, until it envelopes your entire awareness field. And at the same time, every thought telling you you're screwed somehow, let them go. Question them, go meta on them, etc. You're in a battle between truth and the devil. If you listen to your thoughts telling you you're going insane, the devil won. If you let go, then God will reveal himself as pure infinite love, and all of your problems will be solved.

pfft that's not insanity. You want real insanity? Take salvia or large doses of heavy psyches like DMT. It may give you a deeper appreciation for what real insanity is, so that when you have some standard mystical insights, you don't immediately palm them off as insanity. Real insanity is dissociation. Its taking such a large dose of psychedelics that you forget who you are, where you are, what the world is, what survival is, how to walk, who your parents are, whats are threats, etc.

What are the most effective forums and courses that specialise specifically in pickup. A forum where the average member has approached like 1000 girls. Is there any out there? Or equivelant courses.

Ayurveda and astrology are not purple. They are tools. Saying ayurveda is purple is like saying a hammer is purple. You guys use spiral dynamics way too much to describe things. When you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When you're indoctrinated into spiral dynamics, everything has a colour. Including your penis apparently. Ayurveda, like all tools exist on all stages of the spiral. It exists in purple, but also in green with holistic medicines. Astrology exists in purple, but also exists in green with new age beliefs. @Artsu If you actually read spiral dynamics books, spiral dynamics has nothing to do with spirituality. Spiral dynamics is simply a model for describing how societies evolve. How people communicate and work together. it DOES NOT describe the inner workings of tools, or even people. If you use spiral dynamics to describe tools or to describe the psychology of a person, you're basically a clown, because that's got nothing to do with spiral dynamics. No human being is a colour. Only groups of people can be colours.

repression = tension, 'clinging', 'holding on'. If you let go, you release your repressed emotions. You're not letting go. You may think you are. But you're not. You're holding onto something. It seems like you're letting go. But you're not. Inquire and see why you're holding on. Let go. Embrace. Accept. Love. Focus on your 'blockage', then relax your muscles. Take very deep breaths. And on every out breath, chant to yourself "I Accept, Love, Embrace and Let go of this feeling". If you can't let go, and that frustrates you, then let go of the desire to let go. Keep doing this every single second of your walking life. Not 30 minutes a day, do it whenever it arises.

excellent!

2nd time posting in this journal within an hour. But its really just hit me what's going on here. Life goes on, houses, cars, work, employment, relationships, etc. But at the exact same time, none of that is actually happening. And we are all using houses, jobs, cars, employment, relationships to obtain what cannot be obtained... and that's ending the game. We are all trying to end the game through employment, love, relationships, etc. But to end the game means to go in the exact opposite direction of all those things and focus inward. We are like runners who confused the starting line for the finishing line. And we are running the wrong way. And the answer to all of our problems, the goal, the key to happiness, the way of getting everything we want, etc. Is to just simply end the game. We're like a dog chasing its tail, where the dualistic world is the dog, and WE, or I AM, or the remains of dropping everything, is the tail. Duality and non duality go in circles forever, and it does this at the exact same time, at every moment. It doesn't go through periodic cycles, it goes through no time, instantaneous cycles. The solution is NOW. Not after 100000s of hours of meditation, but NOW. The solution wasn't made by 100000s of hours of meditation, it was made simply by NOW.

whose head, if you're against being someone?

What I'm suggesting, really depends on you, not me. I could be suggesting, your question has nothing to do with getting enlightened faster, but rather, perpetuating the matrix. And therefore you should go meta on your question. Or I could be suggesting for you to continue with your question, but do it passionately, with excitement, curiosity, detachment, honesty and genuine intent. Rather than based off fear, inferiority, achieving goals or obtaining a particular state. Its really your call.

There was a guy once who kept asking "how do I get enlightened?". He tried many techniques. He went on many retreats. He spent hours meditating, and reading lectures. In the end he gave up. And as soon as he gave up, he laughed, because he just got enlightened. He was a main character in a blockbuster movie, and enlightenment was the climax of the movie. In the 2nd sequel of that movie, he was an old wise spiritual teacher. A student came up to him and asked what's the fastest way to enlighten. He said 10000 hours. After 10000 hours, nothing happened to the student. The student gave up and as soon as he gave up, the climax to the sequel happened. You're acting dude. Its all an act. You asking this question is an act. And you're asking this question as part of movie. You wanna awaken? Sure keep asking what's the most powerful meditation techniques, how long you must train, etc. That will keep the movie engaging and fun. But if you really wanna wake up, why don't you toss the movie away? And if you really want an answer to your question, maybe ask yourself, "how long are you gonna ask how long it takes to enlighten, how long are ya gonna meditate, do yoga, kriya, retreats, etc. Before you throw it all away and accept reality as it is? Accept this movie not based on your spiritual beliefs and motives and values, but based on how it actually is? How long will it take, before you throw everything away?"

Entered another chapter of my life. I'm just so empty now. Its an attitude, a level of emptiness so empty that if you go meta on the emptiness, you end up with everything. So empty that, if you see the buddha on the road, you neither desire to kill or not kill him. If a 2nd buddha appears, and tells you to kill the 1st buddha, you kill the 2nd buddha. If a 3rd buddha appears, and tells you to kill the 2nd, then you kill the 3rd. If an infinite number of buddhas appear, the last buddha to tell you to kill the 2nd last buddha, ends up being the 1st buddha. And so you kill the last buddha, and in the end, you therefore end up killing the 1st buddha all along. Right where you started, but took you infinite meta steps to get there. Life's a movie, a play for me now. A deep self-centredness. A see a world where the entire movie, including the main character, is all set up for an epic play. Laws of physics, laws of economics, social behaviour, 3d world, etc. Doesn't dictate how reality works, but rather the storyline does. The great dance. My character's journey, experiences, desires, passions, fears, truths, falsehoods, all make up how this reality works. The president in the US, the poverty in Africa, the wars of the past, and prosperity of the future, is being caused by how my journey unfolds. Because it doesn't exist outside of me, but is created in the moment. And the suffering, the 'figuring it out', the exploration and discovery, death and birth, the insights, obstacles, wins and losses, highs and lows, the spiritual ego, the normal ego, the destruction of ego, is all part of this epic journey to explore, dance, play, discovery, perform. The nature of this reality is very different to materialism. And its very different to the views of other people. Those other people are in a journey, but unconscious of it. The book 'Crazy Wisdom' by Chögyam Trungpa, came into my grasp at exactly the right time. Time had dissolved, the world felt magical and imaginary, The 3D materialistic world was dissolving, I felt eternity, the impermanence of my existence, life and death, the dissolving of my spiritual views, perspectives and beliefs, the fact that life was a dance without an end. And lastly I felt hopeless, completely hopeless, because I had no experienced this thing called 'enlightenment'. Been trying so much, millions of techniques, teachings, sex, love, money, fame, yoga, caring for the family, hippyism, yet to no avail. That book had a passage, specifically on hope. About how enlightenment transcends hope. Because hope is an egoic attitude. And once you transcend hope... that's it. Once you no longer care about hoping or desiring enlightenment. And you just accept the play that's going on now, that is the goal. That is the leap. To no longer desiring or seeking or trying to attain something. But just to accept the dance the way it is... that was your goal all along. Life happens, it evolves, you achieve things, you evolve. But every single moment is the goal. Not the what your evolution will turn into, but what it already is. And appreciating and loving the changingness of it. You were shooting for the stars, but the stars weren't up in the sky, they were all in your eyes. The truth is so simple, so obvious, so big, so hard to see, so good, that it takes you lifetimes and lifetimes to fully see it. Its the exact opposite of what you think it is. I know the truth because, I truly know absolutely nothing. I'm free because, I have completely let go of control. I'm richer because, I have nothing. I'm immortal because, I have died. I'm the wisest, because I'm always a student. I'm the most passionate, because I have let go of all passion. I'm the happiest because, I fully embrace sadness and tragedy. I'm where I began, because of the journey. I had the journey, because of where I began. The buddha said, the root of all suffering is desire. And he's right, and wrong. Desiring is what makes us believe that the goal is in the future, its a state, something you can obtain, when its none of those things, but rather the opposite. So he was right. But he was wrong because, to not desire, and to accept the world the way it is, also means to accept and include desire. To not accept the existence of desire is to not accept the world. So to end suffering, also means to desire. Becoming enlightened, means to start all over again.

I've got no clue of your personal situation other than your body is getting destroyed(like cancer). Death = Aliveness. End = Beginning. Your chapter as the one who you currently believe you are is coming to an end, but a new, vibrant, exciting chapter is just about to open. A new life, new things to discover, new things to explore, another chance to awaken, another chance to be suprised, excited and happy. And no need to fear, as this has been your nature from the beginning. What else have you been doing in the universe other than beginning?

ooooo that's very similar to what happened. Just had a san pedro trip. Everything was one, then everything divided itself into all objects. Its like seeing spirits but on steroids, all over the place, surrounded. Now im having conversations with the essence or souls of all those objects. Turns out my sink is a comedian. Sounds like you need to reincarnate into a panda. Ive got riturals if you need help LOL. But im half serious. If you wanna be a panda let me know.

Felt like falling through the ground/walls/everything that's solid. And a complete letting go. Felt like being unleashed from shackles. Felt like giving up on all control. Felt like going down really fast in a roller coaster. Felt like everything is virtual. Felt like massive energy. Felt like releasing solidification of the present moment. Felt like unlimitedness. Felt like overwhelming.

Yep awesome.

What are some ways of deeply quenching your intimacy needs, without committing to a relationship? Intimacy needs as in the desire to care for a romantic partner like a child. And also, when dating women casually or in short term relationships, what are some ways of ending the relationships gracefully? Considering they get attached. I've already tried 100% honest communication from the beginning, they don't believe it or hope that things change.