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@acidgoofy yep that's exactly right, focus on God and you don't get any effects.

That's why I'm a mathematician/machine learning engineer. You wont understand my words, but you'll understand my math Or no you wont understand my math, but it will work, and that's good enough for impacting the world. But yeah for you(a youtube video maker) guess words are important for ya. I'm not demonising materialism, but its 1 paradigm out of a trillion, and I don't see any reason to use it other than niche cases. Its so overrated on the planet and even on this forum.

You wont be open to it. That's like an atheist saying "your making a pretty bold claim that the ego doesn't exist. If you can reach a non egoic state then you should be able to explain it easily" You think the atheist will listen? If you truly care to know, go investigate it yourself. I'm showing you that its clearly possible for you. If it interests you. Go investigate psychedelics and see how they work. It wont make you enlightened by doing this, but it will quench your curiosity. You're not aware yet that there's more than 1 'physicality' happening in the present moment right now. Every object in awareness are a million different objects at once. From a tribal/purple stage, a mobile phone is NOT a phone, but an enchanted monolith that has access to the gods. From an orange stage perspective a phone is a clock work, Newtonian machine that is working of logic and order. From a green stage its a disruption of harmony with nature, from a turquoise stage its part of a bigger whole. And that's just spiral dynamics. Now consider what a phone is from the perspective of animals, insects, aliens, different objects (a beer bottle sees a phone in a totally different way to you). What a phone is, is relative to your identity. If you're aware every millisecond that your identity is relative (I.E. you're not a human, you can identify with anything) then you're capable of seeing every object in the room from a million perspectives at once. If you identify with paper, as soon as the paper gets ripped in half, you'll look at that like someone ripping your grandma in half. Identity is very relative. And maya is constructed from it. And then there are perspectives happening NOW where a phone isn't even recognisable, because the concept of phone just doesn't make sense. You can access any of these perspectives now SOBER. You just need to contemplate and question deeply about what's happening you. You can even just dissolve into white light now. Again by question what the fuck is in front of you. And when you take psychedelics, you're altering your identity and therefore altering what's in the room. You alter your identity not because the psychedelics are altering your neurochemistry (all that materialist stuff is an illusion/dream) the psychedelics are a placebo that's tricking you into thinking you're altering your neurochemistry. If you completely stop identifying with being a human, psychedelics stop working, because the placebo of "im a human and taking psychedelics affects my body" doesn't make sense anymore. That's why beer bottles don't get high when they take psychedelics, because that's not what you believe. Not because the materialist paradigm is real and absolute and its a real fact that beer bottles don't have neurochemistry to alter and blablalba... In your next reincarnation maybe you will dream up the possibility of beer bottles able to get high. What's real is what you dream up, and you can dream up anything. And you're dreaming up the idea of a human getting high with psychedelics and that's why they work, because you're dreaming them up. As soon as the dream starts to be revealed, it breaks down, and through contemplation you can actually question and change the dream. That's why Newtonian mechanics was real in the past but isn't real anymore. That's how going up spiral dynamic stages work. You literally change the dream by seeing form in different perspectives. And as for the rest of what you said. A materialist mindset isn't appropriate for the discussion. I suggest you use another one. Trying to figure out what's happening subjectively with shrooms using a materialist mindset is no more effective than trying to figure out the subjective effects of shrooms through looking in the bible for the answers. When you go to a job interview, there's already a trillion different physical dimensions happening NOW! Heck infinity is happening NOW! If you can manage infinity, what's so hard about 10g of shrooms?

Reincarnation is as real as a cup. Its not quite true to say that a cup is false/there's no such thing as a cup. There is a cup. Cups are real, they are just dreams. What's not real is what you think the cup is pointing to, which is some 3D object in a 3D world. A cup is real, but its not what you think it is. A picture of the atlantis is real, but the belief that the picture represents some real thing out there isn't real/doesn't exist. But the picture itself is real. The atlantis is a dream/picture. Likewise, reincarnation IS real, as a dream. But its not real in the sense that it points to some phenomena in the 3D world. Its real as a dream. Here's what I discovered about reincarnation:

Depends what practising seriously means for you. The conventional understanding of what 'serious practice' is, is quite limited. You could get 1000x more results just genuinely being curious all the time as you walk in the park then you can sitting in a cave following yogic instructions. And then there's what 'serious' actually means. Is being serious beneficial to spiritual growth? Or is it a limiting mindset? Seriousness can actually block you from being light hearted with your thoughts and beliefs, and actually cause you to cling onto certain limiting beliefs that prevent the ego from being shed. Most people who 'practice seriously' are actually just building up spiritual ego or an identity around being a meditator, yogi, etc. By saying 'practice seriously', you're already assuming a particular identity archetype. And identity archetypes are again limited and can block you from growth. In my experience, spiritual growth is not caused by doing a particular technique, but by how your life is as a whole/entire experience. Spiritual growth is proportional to career + health + walks in the path + your personality + people around you + etc. And spiritual practice is one of those aspects. And saying that 'you're enlightening or growing spiritually' is again a false notion, because you're not growing spiritually. Life, the present moment, as a whole is waking up. Not just you particularly, but the entire universe is waking up. There is no you waking up. And if spiritual growth is caused by all those things as one experience, then saying that psychedelics cause personal growth to your human form or don't cause growth is a pretty limited way to look at it. Go as far as to say its a red herring. Its completely irrelevant to question whether psychedelics are waking you up or not, because you as an individual are not even waking up. You, as an individual, are part of an entire whole, and your effects off the psychedelics are 1 cog of the entire universe. And that one cog is doing stuff in combination with all the other cogs to wake up as a whole. And the real question is, how are psychedelics waking up the entire universe as a whole? What's their function for the whole? How does you, as an individual help the entire whole wake up? Taking into account multiple lifetimes, multiple identities, etc. What is your story? How does your story work? How is everything in your story contribute to everything in your story waking up as an entire whole? How are your psychedelic experiences, not just taking them, but the process of aquiring them, taking them, and the after effects of taking them affect universal waking up? How does the way you take them, the room you take them in, the time you take them, the day you take them, what you take, the thoughts, music, friends, family, career you have when you're preparing to take them, take them and after taking them affect waking up? Notice that if your room, friends, time period, career was slightly different to the way it is now, your experience and waking up process would be entirely different. You can't just single out psychedelics as a single thing waking you up. Its everything in combination. Your room is affecting the waking up process just as much as the psychedelics. Thats why this notion of psychedelics vs no psychedelics and spiritual talent is just silly, because you're singling out 1 factor out of millions of factors for the waking up process.

question why you are asking this question.

Go study how psychedelics work on a metaphysical level. Take a psychedelic and focus your awareness on how consciousness is changing and WHY. Before taking the psychedelic, notice what your consciousness is like compared to an ordinary day. You'll notice your consciousness is actually heightened before taking the psychedelic purely because you're about to take one. Question why your consciousness increases when you feel bliss, and all the other stuff that happens on a psychedelic. Why is it that psychedelic phenomena = higher consciousness? Whose projecting that? Why isn't the office desk just as high conscious as bliss and being a tv monitor, or the entire universe or dmt machine elves or seeing visuals? What's so special about that stuff compared to your office desk? Its a projection. You're projecting that psychedelic states are higher conscious than your office desk because blablabla and therefore that makes you actually go to higher states of consciousness. You're projecting that as part of the matrix or maya or illusion you're in, as part of the story you're in. Its a way of maintaining your story as a human being. If you were to admit that your office is just as groundless as psychedelic states like dmt machine elves, then your story would be fucked, so you did something clever and projected the idea of psychedelics, mystical states, etc. And projected the idea of the 'normal' world and the 'psychedelic' or 'mystical state' world, and separated and projected a difference between the two. The reality is they aren't 2, they are ONE. They are the same. But your reality would be destroyed by admitting that, so you created the 2 to maintain your lower/egoic consciousness. Its like you're asking, "how the hell are you able to turn off healing yourself when you're given a placebo antibiotic that's actually made of salt rather than antibiotics".

I actually took 10 grams of mushrooms recently as a test, then I did sober stuff, and I reached the same state sober. I've also got the 'ability' to turn psychedelic states on and off after taking them at will. I can literally not feel anything from 10g of mushrooms if I want to. But there's no point arguing here, you guys are just 'out of the loop'.

And yet there's a higher measurement: How capable are you of loving and accepting others' and your lack of humility

I didn't say that at all. They are conscious of the dream.

You mean the waking dream? Because that's where you become a bear in. Not some virtual dream like what happens when you sleep. Why would you make a case against psychedelics? What are you trying to get against? My point was actually more about how psychedelics are still within the dream. I don't really get why you actually think psychedelics are beyond the dream. Enlightened people are beyond the dream, they are God, they are prior to psychedelics. And my point was, by putting psychedelics on a pedastool, and saying these enlightened people don't know what they are talking about in terms of psychedelics, is putting the horse before the cart. Your argument sounds like this: "Lucas Arts has no idea of the power of the death star. Lucas arts are talking about low level understanding that star wars is just a movie. Lucas arts should go to a planet and get blasted by the death star, then they'll see what the death start truly is". If you're enlightened, you're 10000% aware that you are creating the death star, and you remember what it is like prior to the death star. The above sounds absurd because its as if you're not conscious of what you've created. If you're enlightened you're conscious of everything. No pebble left unturned. I know but they did in the past. And spiritual teachings we use today are largely from the past.

+1 bro. That's one of the most useful cases of psychedelics, you're enlightened? Take a kg of mushrooms just to make sure. Its called a samadhi experience m8. Well known amongst spiritual teachers. You can reach salvia/mushroom like absorption with an object through samadhi practice. Shamans have sober practices using drumming to literally BE an animal like a bird, or wolf or bear. I've done it before, you literally forget you're a human and literally BE a bear. That's why in video games like world of warcraft, shamans are the ones that turn into different animals, its based on 'real' shamanic practices. Also I'm not sure how far this particular point is gonna go, but I'll write it anyway. The rigour of spiritual practices in the past was not the same as the rigour it is today. There are stories of students meditating in caves for 40 years, without distractions of mobile phones, computers, scientific paradigm, etc. The potential of the human race to get far with sober methods was much higher in the past than it is today. So psychedelic states that you believe are profound were quite normal for students in the past. You're living in a different time, and its valuable and wise to take that into consideration relatively speaking. Absolutely speaking, what I'm saying is, because time and the ego/psyche is imaginary, there are dimensions in consciousness where sober methods do reach psychedelic states, due to God being infinity/tautology. Some people have transcended the notion of a psychedelic, seen through it, saw how its just a placebo effect, and saw how they were creating it. I've spoken to them face to face, and they were avid psychedelic users before realising of such fact. You have to throw away your dualistic notions of 'psychedelic' on the spiritual path at some point, otherwise you're holding onto a dualistic aspect of reality for no good reason.

Insights Today: 1. Accepting reality does not mean accepting devilry or delusion. It does not mean accepting 'bad', 'evil', 'corruption', 'judgement', 'hatred', etc. It means accepting the thing that causes those judgements. Accept the thing that causes those judgements, but replace the judgements with optimism, love, passion, bliss, 'being proud', etc. For example if you're socially awkward. Accepting reality does not mean accepting that you're a no hoper, or that you're bad with humans, etc. It means accepting the awkwardness that causes the judgements of being a no hoper or bad with humans. Then loving that awkwardness, being optimistic that the awkwardness can be loved by others and can lead you to living a good life (reframing the awkwardness from = lack of prosperity to = lots of prosperity) is beautiful, funny, cool, cute, and you should be proud of it. 2. Handling the macro and micro. Macro = hands off. Micro = hands on. When inventing a solution to a problem, and you're the leader of a team, give your employees the macro tasks, but be hands on and largely do the micro tasks yourself (if you're a creator like me). The micro task being the 'linchpin' or the crux of the whole idea. The important part, the gem, the oracle or the heart of the entire thing.

If you haven't had schizophrenic experiences on this path, then likely you aint doing the practices properly.

After a day I think the ayahuasca I had did affect me more than I expected, because my baseline was a bit lower than it was on the ayahuasca. Orientation for living a good life: Life is a play/dance/story/movie/dream. Its made of magical pixie dust (aka consciousness). Life becomes not fun when you take it too seriously, when you fear death and don't see the bigger picture: which is the entire point of life is to create for the sake of creating, because as God you love your creations and you love creating. Bliss and Love IS creating. When you fear death, and fear other stuff, you start projecting stuff that isn't fun and isn't true, such as your coworkers don't like you, you're bad at blablabla, you're evil, you're a monster, lava and certain items are poisonous and bad, etc. Its so much more beautiful to see lava as a dream, rather than to see it as something that can kill you. Compare the lava in real life vs the lava in legends of zelda. Notice that the lava in legends of zelda is 1000x more beautiful than the lava in real life? That's because the legends of zelda lava can't kill you! Notice that horror movies are so much more fun when you're conscious that they are just movies. Not real. Too much immersion = fear. Not enough immersion = cynicism, nihilism, stupid adviata vedanta traps like everything is an illusion, intellectual detachment. Get the balance right. The bigger picture of life is to create! Create beautiful, amazing awesome things. If you do that, you're in tune with God. If you don't do that, you're fucked, and FYI low self esteem, fear, devilry, self deception, etc. Is not beautiful creation. Beautiful creation is passionate creation. Creation that brings you bliss and love. Instead of life being a 3D world, its actually a language designed for God to communicate to you Truth, Love and Bliss. And God communicates to you this way due to Your love of creation. He doesn't tell you stuff directly, because by telling you stuff indirectly, he can create an epic play in the process of your waking up process.

Spiral dynamics still has you by the balls. Do you even know what values are? Are they even real? Why is stage orange a sin? Why do you judge stage orange? What's so hateful about it? Is stage orange bad in reality? Why are you even looking at the world through stage orange in the first place? Do you even know whether the world is stage orange? Or are you just bullshitting yourself? Do you see stage orange during ego death on a LSD trip? Where's this stage orange stuff coming from?

The fear is coming from thinking about what WILL happen instead of what's happening now. You're confusing the future for truth, when actually the future is a lie/imaginary. Try and let go of the future and 'jump off a cliff' or have a leap of faith.

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Why would someone do night game instead of day game. When is night game better? What personality types does night game suit day game better? Is night game better for introverts or extroverts? Better for people with lots of friends or no friends at all? Better or worse for noobs? Better or worse for getting sex easier? Better or worse for growth? What essential skills does night game teach you that day game can't? If you lived a life where you practiced only day game, what would you be missing out on? What areas would you suck at compared to your peers that did day game and night game. Before seriously getting into personal development, back when i was a "muggle", I went to clubs because that's what college kids do. And I remember at the time hating it. Loud noise and busy(which i hate because I'm an introvet) people are just assholes, they push you over when they pass you, spill drinks on you, the women you pick up are rude, and the men that cock block you are even ruder or physically violent. The rudeness is particularly difficult for me because I have autism and have trouble navigating people's feelings and emotions. Add drunk club people to the mix and it gets 1000x harder. I've been to a club or 2 since then but not much, I've mainly kept to daygame. And I'm wondering if I'm missing out on anything by not getting hardcore into night game.

Routine: 1. Let go and ground yourself in infinite love. Remember the illusion of death, and the multi lifetime plan. Throughout the day, use this letting go, to let go of all ego resistance. Remember that you already have what you seek. And everything done in this life is not to get Love, but to live by it. An expression of it. All effort in this life is to draw yourself closer to God. To deepen your experience of God. To know thyself better. It has nothing to do with the external world. 2. review LP statement. Embody it. 3. drawing and journalling dreamboard stuff for 5-10 minutes. 4. work, with the constant intention of doing it to train yourself for your LP. Put constant effort into honing in your LP through your work. 5. Insight and contemplation about creativity, invention, innovation. Reflect on how you went today at work in relation to your LP. Visualisation exercises. (1-2 hours). 6. Spend some time reflecting, contemplating, meditating on the grand scheme of things: infinite love, multiple lifetimes, death (destruction of the body), knowing and insight, knowing Me or I or Brahman. (1-2 hours).

Those protests are clear examples of toxic libertarianism. That's because you're a libertarian that can't handle giving up your freedom for the greater good, because there's nothing out there more special than your clubbing and house parties. Yes. Because saving the lives of the elderly are more important than sustaining your freedom. Don't go demonising the lower stages just because you're a higher stage. Stage blue is extremely important in society, and will always be. Turquoise builds up from blue. If you want to look at things properly, you should look at the countries that have handled this situation well, and copy them. China, Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia, etc. Have handled it well. What did they do? Enforce laws that suppressed freedom for the greater good. And it worked. So the right thing to do is to shove your freedom bullshit up your ass. Plain and simple.

@cle103 yeah totally raves and festivals are where its at! The clubs I've been to, 90% were men. And its not like women are just freely open to meeting strangers. I remember that lots of them just wanted to have fun with their friends and not get involved with strangers. I find day game way easier than my memories of night game.

This journal is going to focus more on my worldly LP, because my desire to seek, while its still there and I desire waking up and consciousness work, the desire has decreased, and my desire to make an amazing LP has dramatically increased. My new LP: LP statement: I combine and translate technical research into revolutionary inventions, concepts and models that makes the world a better place. DoM: Finding the commonality or 'root' of a bunch of complex problems, and solving ALL of them with 1 solution/invention involving a bunch of highly technical and novel discoveries, methods, practices or research. Other skills: 1) communication and persuasion. 2) understanding people's technical capabilities. 3) making a powerful vision 4) mathematical modelling and setting up experiments. 5) mastery over seeing things from multiple perspectives. 6) mastery over the creative process. What my LP is not: 1) typical engineering work: solving routine problems with standard methods. 2) management: managing people. At this point, my understanding of invention is this: the ability to solve lots and lots and lots of little problems through 1 solution/invention (instead of solving multiple little problems through lots of little solutions). And in relation to technical innovation, this generally means recognising the value and potential of certain technical research projects, and developing a unique and powerful vision/idea on how those technical research projects could be combined and oriented in a way to solve many many many problems in 1 go. As a medium, what I've noticed is I desire clarity. Whatever or however I contribute, I want to develop mastery over it, and that means clarity over and awareness and expertise over multiple distinctions in a niche area, the niche area for me will be the art of invention. Where I distinguish my skills from typical engineering work is, I'll be inventing things not using standard, routine methods, but using unique methods (like new research and ways of thinking about things) and combining things in highly novel ways; the mastery to combining highly unrelated, diverse things in unexpected but powerful ways. Compared to an engineer, I wont be as fast as a typical engineer in solving a typical routine problem, nor will I be able to forecast and produce stuff up to the standards of a typical engineer with a routine problem, but I will be able to invent highly valuable, and novel things which a typical engineer could not. Tasks to do towards this LP: I need to become an expert in the creative process. I need to read and contemplate what 'creativity' means. I need to read and contemplate what 'invention' means. I need to understand the history and philosophy of invention and creativity, how creativity worked in the past, how creative organisations are formed, what makes people great inventors, what are the traps and blunders of being inventive or creative, how to forecast into the future what the most valuable research projects will be, how to forecast what people will need in the future, how to be a big picture thinker. Insight from past week I became conscious of past lives. I developed a deeper knowing of how reincarnation works. When you reincarnate, everything that you identify with, project, dream up, remember, think, believe, etc. Gets thrown away. BUT there are things that persist throughout different lives. Conscious effort towards consciousness work (like contemplation and meditation) actually persists throughout past lives. It gets carried over to your new life. So if you're at a Level B in consciousness work in this life, that same level of consciousness will get passed to your new life and you'll more easily handle consciousness work in that next life. That's because 'waking up' or different states of consciousness are not delusion. They are a 'flavour' of emptiness. And that flavour, while may be covered by projections and delusion, doesn't go away. That flavour doesn't just include how 'awake' you are, it also includes, at a very deep level, what your personality is, because at a very deep level, your personality is basically the way you wake up to god. And the way you wake up to god also carries over. So whether your conscious effort was kriya related OR jnana related, also gets carried over. Your inclination for a particular spiritual path is related to your past life. And I realised this by becoming aware of how identification works on a deeper level. I became aware that 'knowing', while can be covered up by thought, persists constantly at the heart of your consciousness. And that 'knowing' grows larger and larger as you do consciousness work. And that knowing is unaffected by projection, thoughts and identification. So that level of knowing is passed on through reincarnation. And the point of your next life, is to carry on with the progress of that 'knowing' and make it deeper. So all the conscious effort you're doing in this life, goes towards a work in progress for your next life. And so that's the mindset I have right now of my LP and awakening work. I'm not believing in this perspective, I sort of just got it through an insight. That's just how it feels to me right now. And I have no fear of death because of it. I'm actually excited to reincarnate into a whole new world, because I have this sense of optimism that all the 'knowing' that was done in this life will be used to build up on in the next life, so that I can have an even better life in the next life.

Main Sentiment from the past week Over the past week it has really occurred to me that letting go and merging with infinite love is BINARY not grayscale. Its black and white, not a 50 shades of grey. Its this or that, not some of this and that. To fully merge with infinite love means to let go over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and NOT stop anywhere inbetween. To stop inbetween is effectively not letting go at all. And it cannot be figured out, as much as a contemplative, philosophical INTP like me is addicted to doing. You must drop with no reason, purely faith. Purely hope for the best sort of attitude. And further, you gotta let go of the desire to contemplate and understand everything. Let go of the fear of going insane, regret or making the wrong choice, fear of hurting others, fear of 'not coming back'. its complete and utter letting go of absolutely everything. And so that's what I'll be reminding myself of the coming weeks: 1) let go of contemplation and understanding 2) let go of the fear of regretting your decision to let go 3) let go of the fear of hurting others. Because infinite love is TOTAL and ABSOLUTE letting go, any less is holding on just as much as a normal person's consciousness. Letting go is a BINARY thing, its all or nothing.

You know actually its funny. Its way more awkward to try to make friends on the street then to hit on women. Society has been programmed so deeply to mate that society has even provided a framework/social conditioning for handling day game. Women understand and have a social programming script they whip out for when a guy approaches them during the day. If you try and make friends with someone on the street, people a way more confused. They don't know how to handle such a situation and it becomes very awkward. If you try to make friends with a guy on the street, he'll automatically resort to you being gay just so he can use his mating script, as his "making friends on the street" script doesn't exist, and there's nothing scarier for humans than handling a situation that doesn't have a social programming script. Unless you're in the united states. The last time I was there, random people started talking to me in the elevator, theme park lines, etc. And it was super awkward for me at the time. I instantly thought this guy must be hitting on me, because the idea that he wasn't was undefined. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ And for the same reason, its actually way more 'scarier' or 'awkward' to be one of those marketing guys on the street... the ones handing out flyers and stuff. If you hit on a girl, you sort of get a free pass because mating is important to women subconsciously, but those flyers guys... no one wants them. Day game is a walk in the park really compared to most things. And its waay worse to be a homeless guy on the street asking for money then day game. Day game is nothing. You could be enlightened and it would still change your perspective of reality. Like in China, they are very against talking to strangers. Sometimes due to my low energy I'll come off as if I'm trying to make a friend to a girl on the streets. Then I'll ramp up the sexual tension (after realising im being too friend zone ish) and then all of a sudden when she realises I'm hitting on her, everything is fine, talking to strangers is completely ok.