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@Mu_ Thanks! Some tug of war arised from the need to be self responsible and try my best to achieve happiness and therefore actively aiming for something and avoiding something else vs the realization of infinity and how that includes and fully accepts both what I'm aiming for and not aiming for.

Thanks! Helpful! Took a RIMA not a MAOI

@Shin you genius "that must feel really scary and uncomfortable" Don't worry, the uncomfortableness and scaryness dies with the old ego so its fine You could be in world war 2, and it wouldnt matter because world war 2 would die with the old ego and just be a faded memory. Not saying people who go through world war 2 dont matter. They do and my heart goes out to them.

Ooo love this question. For there to be a radical shift, there must be a real prior perspective and a real post perspective. And there must be an I thought or ego that experiences the prior perspective, and the post perspective and can compare them and make an assessment that this new perspective is radically different to the previous perspective. But the ego is actually connected to the perspective itself. So what ends up happening is, the ego dies with the perspective. So as the new perspective arises the old ego isn't there. The old ego died with the old perspective. So you literally can't compare the new perspective to the old perspective because you've forgotten as soon as the shift happens. So I'd say you don't feel like everything is different, because the old ego isn't in the new perspective and therefore can't feel its difference. It just feels like "yep i was pretending to be in that dream and now I'm not, and this is how its always been for eternity and ive forgotten what that old dream was like". Yeah so thats what is meant by subtle shift. And btw, the forgetting part is where the fear comes from.

@WonderSeeker thanks! @Chris365 thanks for that script, that may help. yeah most of the time its the present moment, but whats challenging is the energy feeling because its like an unexpected/unprepared psychedelic breakthrough. Its the unexpectedness of it happening(happens random time of the day) which is the challenging part. But its gone now, it will come back im sure.

he called me a devil to be precise.

A wise man once asked me "why did you dream me up this way?"

what the word infinity points to, has nothing to do with the semantic meaning of infinity.

Whose saying that?

@Ananta You can refer to that?

Identification is an imaginary construct within the dream. Very nuanced point thats probably going to be misinterpreted.

What happened?

Aww thanks, im fond of you too.

Thought you were gonna say something cheesy.

do whatever works for you, I tried that way and it was terribly effective. I'm a typical adviata vendanta guy where practice doesnt work well for me. But on a more broad level, routines work for some things, but doesn't work for other things. Whether routine works depends on your personality type, and the work you're doing. In the creative field, we are strongly against micro managing staff and try to give staff room and space to be creative. If we micromanage, in other words set routines that they must follow, then their work becomes uncreative and manufactured. Also they loose interest because creatives don't like routine. On the other end if I was managing construction workers, or factory workers, I would have a very intense micro managing regime, because what's important there is following routine and doing it as quickly and productively as possible. Its easy to measure productivity (timers for each task). A very spontaneous personality type (sorts of people with messy rooms) tend to go better without routine, while people who love rules (the managers types and christians) love order and therefore routine makes them feel safe and secure.

Agree with the posters on here who are implying meditation is a lifestyle, rather than a system or technique. Meditation as a system or technique is great for those who are still wrapped up in the dualistic mindset and cannot fathom or even see the value in letting go. Its a nice trick to trick you into giving up the dualistic chase, while still seeming like your chasing duality. But soon its limits are met and a negativity or depression arises. Making meditation a technique or system forces you to identify what it is, describe how it works, describe what its meant to achieve, and describe what progress looks likes. All of these functions though are dualistic by nature, and usually produce dualistic results, or at the very least, produce ineffective non dual results. This leads to spiritual ego or spiritual materialism. And the result of that is usually fooling yourself or thinking you're onto this non dual thing a lot more then you actually are, which is quite defeating. Eventually you need to see spirituality as a lifestyle or attitude, rather than a definable technique. This doesn't mean that effort can't be put into spiritual work, or that somehow spiritual work is wishy washy, or airy fairy. Its clear and obvious what needs to be done, and its clear when you're not doing it, but all of this is not on a semantic level, but on a experiential and feeling level.

+1

ok. well if I've got mental issues and dont love myself, then whats the go with you taking me so seriously. btw, still laughing at how you actually took that moose story seriously.

@Nahm thanks nahm appreciate it

From this post alone, I'm gonna bet that cold approach is essential for you.

@Thestarguitarist14 sure when I say hardwired, I'm not talking from a Darwinian context, but rather hardwired from a waking up context. For example, everyone is hardwired to wake up and enlighten at some point.

@Thestarguitarist14 Look you've got a cool idea, but that's not how human psychology works. If you deeply study human sociology, and not just human, but most mammals, there is definitely a hard wired social dynamic whereby men chase women, and not the other way around. Your cool ideas about being an amazing guy doesn't change that. There's deep wisdom to the mating ritual. Its not all social conditioning, there are core elements of it that are hardwired. And what hardwired means is, its what men and women both want deep down. When you take all the social conditioning, ego, etc out of it, there is a kernel of hardwired mating ritual which both men and women want exactly. And that ritual requires men to chase women, and a bunch of other things. Women love being chased for a reason, a healthy reason, and men like chasing for a reason too. Its hardwired. Yeah women want more then just men who chase them, but that's because women want men who have shredded toxic social and egoic conditioning. Who have become and living their real self. The same with men. What that looks like in practice is a guy whose got an amazing life, a life that he loves. A life that he wants. A life that shows his real self. But that doesn't mean that chasing goes out the window. In fact, living a mans real self, for most men(not talking about transgenders or half men half women or very girly guys or gays) means chasing. It means pursuing. Not just women but business opportunities, humanitarian opportunities, it means engaging with the world. You should really be having an amazing life, and building yourself to be a 'high value guy' anyway, regardless of women. Don't do it for women, do it for your own self esteem, gratification, happiness, to fall in love with life. And IMO building an amazing life based on what you think a 'high valued guy' is, is stupid anyway because are those silly beliefs of what a high value guy is, really sync with what you truly want to be, and what life you truly want to have(leave the women out of it). And if you're a guy who doesn't like chasing, and you're a normal guy, not a gay or transgender, then really its because you have conflated chasing with toxic social conditioning. Chasing doesn't have to be toxic or a waste of time. Chasing women in hippy circles for example is great compared to clubs - because its less toxic.

I admittedly don't really understand your OP because you say alot of stuff that's probably true to you, but definitely isn't to me. That's all fine and dandy, now go take 120x of salvia where you literally will experience what its like to be psychotically ill, and tell us the above then. You(real you) are looking at the universe through the finite mind. No matter how enlightened you think you are(which is a retarded statement in and of itself) the physical avatar which is always in experience never changes that much, and the perspective that the present moment is pretending to look through, is always there. Psychotic illness (speaking from experience as this particular incarnation of God has vivid memories of it, and is going through it a bit now) is when that physical avatar changes, or when the perspective in which the present moment is looking through (or looking at infinity through the finite mind) changes, so much that consciousness seems to disrupt itself. In other words synchronicities which we all take for granted, like the fact that we miraculously find a job, the planets are miraculously holding themselves together, the graceful flow of consciousness breaks down and devolves into a disruptive stream. Chaos rather than graceful transition of form. The dream is like a house of cards, yet all of us on here treat it like its not made of cards but made of concrete. And we somehow think realizing the dreamy nature of form will somehow make us immune to suffering if that dream collapses. The dream is flowing extremely gracefully right now. The fact that you can sanely sit here and read this message takes beyond infinite amount of grace. All of your billions of cells working perfectly together, form that the finite mind is looking through is holding its solidity and only changes slightly, your work colleagues call you at paced times, even if you complain, your ego destructs at an extremely peaceful and good pace along the path. Your memories are perfectly in sync with each other and with form. All of this is extremely malleable. You're a nano meter away from all of that grace just crashing and chaotically imploding on itself. Its a house of cards, not concrete. And psychotic people have unfortunately experienced this the hard way. Of course, transition is an illusion and isn't actually happening. But just because its an illusion does not mean it does not exist. It means it does and doesn't exist at the same time/its a dream. You may be in a state of deep realization that transition is a dream, that the past events leading up to present events leading up to future events isn't actually happening, its just pretending to, yet if that transition(which is a dream) stops dreaming a graceful transition, and starts dreaming up chaos, no matter how much you realize its a dream, you'll freak the fuck out. And you may be well aware that you are not the body or mind. And that the idea that you're looking through the eyes onto the world isn't actually happening: its a dream/pretending to happen, yet if the dream stops dreaming that, and starts dreaming that you're looking at the world through a can of soup, or a table, and if the perspective you're in (of a 3D world) changes to be something wildly different, no matter how much you're aware that you're not the body or mind, you'll freak the fuck out. Examples of psychosis from a metaphysical perspective would be, imagine you're doing physics equations that are due tomorrow, and all of a sudden the physics equations LITERALLY stop obeying their laws. Just randomly. Then start obeying their laws again. Can you imagine how freaky that would be. Especially if you have to hand it in for an assignment. The laws didn't just stop in your head, because there's nothing outside of the present moment, the laws are within the present moment, so the laws literally changed. You have no idea why they changed, how they changed, how the fuck you're gonna hand in your assignment when they changed, what if they change again when you hand in your assignment, and you get bad marks and have no idea why or how to solve it. People just think you're retarded. Which it definitely isn't that from your perspective, but from the dream its relatively true. No one else noticed it changed, they all act like nothing changed etc. They don't understand you, you're all alone on this, no one can help you. Again, you could be as realised as a buddha, that will freak you out. Literally the sun changed how it behaved, and no one noticed. And you don't know when its gonna happen again. Another example is you're at the hospital and all of a sudden you forget what a hospital is, who everyone is, etc. You've even forgotten that a hospital is a place to get better, you've forgotten that you're looking at infinity through a HUMAN finite mind, could be a table, cat finite mind. Totally forgotten what a human is. No one can help you because you've forgotten what they and help are, it feels extremely uncomfortable, fear of what's going to happen, etc. These are examples I've experienced, and I've experienced many more. You can say that psychological illness are mental fabrications, are illusions, are made up, are bullshit, are all just in the head, are of a finite self and therefore is just bullshit all you want, but you'll be crying to your mummy hardcore when you actually experience psychotic illness. And talking about it here isn't a genuine way of expressing your intent to understand psychotic illness. Rather go take some salvia and experience what the above is like for yourself. Not saying psychological illness isn't a mental fabrication or an illusion, it is, but saying that doesn't give justice to the experience. You're just talking out of your mouth and playing word games. To really understand mental illness, go through it. You've got salvia, which is the safest psychedelic to experience mental illness(datura and iboga would allow you to experience it too but that's too dangerous for most people). So go for it instead of typing here. Edit: on a relative level, I haven't taken salvia before, but have experienced plenty of psychosis. And the trip reports of salvia remind me of them. Especially Leo's descriptions, he's bang on with psychosis.

Here in Shenzhen, we take drugs all the time? But yeah if you're a foreigner and don't know much about china, better to stay away from drugs.