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Yeah but don't fall into the trap of calling yourself a non dualist either And it will continue to.... But really what I think is going on here, is this observation is making ya stuck I think. And in that context specifically, it may be helpful to contemplate what the actual difference is between different physiological states. Yeah sure they are different, but why? Can you actually grasp what specifically is different about them? I remember ages ago you told me that all rules are imaginary and aren't actually there. You sort of got that the rules are there, but aren't there at the same time, because what's really the difference between different rules? Well are different physiological states actually different too?

Love is everything, but if you want to realise that, follow love.

Well that's very silly, because you don't know what that state is, and therefore cannot know how someone acts from that state. And its even more silly to assume that you (from a state that isn't what you describe Leo's to be) would know more about what wisdom, peace and love is, then what Leo does. Or to assume that you (from a lesser state) knows how a higher state should act lol.

the problem is you don't understand what religion is... you think it started by some person deciding "what valid and non valid religion is". Like its some kind of tribal ritual. That's tribalism. Religion is simple and logical. You read the text, listen to the pope, follow what the text and pope says. That's it. Religion has nothing to day about tribalism or amazon cultures because they don't have a book. Wasted 3 hours of your life.

my bad then +1 I don't think what's really going on here is a competition landscape but more of multiple perspectives complimenting each other. Even if it seems that way on the business end of spiritual teaching. Jed also sets proper expectation by ensuring that you don't chase states of consciousness (through his slapping you in the face mentality) he ensures you don't confuse the map for the territory (like telling you that its about truth not happiness). These things are very useful when your ego starts to get that 15 minute pill, get over excited about it, and then make up a bunch of delusions about what the truth is (well for lsd and ayahuasca and those sort of magic pills). Not for 5 meo, but for other psychedelics, terence mckenna is a great example of what happens when you don't have a slapper on the face. Dreaming up dmt machine elves and new realms and all that stuff which is egoic projection of just a mildly different state of consciousness. EDIT: not necessarily mild, but not as outlandish as what the ego comes up with. And its not to say you don't do these things, but IME Jed aced these aspects.

@Tim R out of pure curiosity, How does it make you feel when people are called dumb?

You wouldn't need to mail that check to God, because once he's finished with all the other 6 billion people, you're screwed anyway.

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fucken legend.

Well even if Jed did tell you its love, that wouldn't help ya. I think your pointers to Love are amazing. And I would be deeply regretful if I lived in a world where they didn't exist. But listening to your pointers doesn't give you the answer of course because its a map. What Jed's doing, is he isn't telling you what the truth is, but he's angling you with the right orientation and attitude so that you find it, which is very powerful even though he doesn't explicitly describe the truth/love.

yeah i was being more abstract and comparing similarities between different approaches and results from different contexts. I was saying that the buddhist approach to the path compared to the tantra approach to the path is that of the 'detaching from friends' and 'not being needy at all' approach to friends compared to being a bit intimate with friends approach. Both former approaches seem safer, but miss out on stuff the latter approaches have.

Nice to know who it was directed at! I find the replies interesting. and I know a few others who will chime in with similar sentiments. I think there's a lot of parallels between these sentiments, and what a monks (buddha) attitude to the path is. A very masculine path like buddhism advocates celibacy, living in a cave and very rigorous discipline to achieve enlightenment. Compare that to the opposite path which is tantra, whereby you can have sex, get drunk, live a luxurious life, but do it consciously. Tantra is a path which balances the femininity and masculine aspects of self, while the buddhist path follows just the masculine part, no mind/no self, but it misses love. Buddhism was way more popular in the earlier days, because with buddhism it seemed wiser. Don't get attached to anything because everything is conditional. Tantra though, that's a scary path because it advocates indulging in life and therefore getting attached to things. But there were limitations to the buddhist approach, and that is it missed out on integration with life. And also it missed out on love - it just fixated on no mind. No mind is peaceful, but you miss out on being the heart of experience, rather than just the observer. You may be a peaceful observer, but you miss out on feeling and being all of the wonderful experiences you can have in life. Its honestly unfulfilling to be in an adviata vedanta no mind state all the time, its just pure emptiness and the craving for love will eventually come. And I think a lot of people on here have been hurt by friends or ex friends, just like how the buddha was hurt by an unfulfilled life, and so to combat it, the approach seems to be to not rely on friends for a source of happiness. Its conditional so therefore don't fixate on it. Now that may seem effective, but just like how the buddhist approach has limitations, so does this approach. To really enjoy friends, you need to get a bit intimate and close to them. Which is scary because you're fixating your source on something that's transient and conditional, it seems better to just be a buddha and keep detached. But if you keep detached, you can't get into the heart of your friends, you can't get intimate with them, you can't get super close to them. And you'll just be empty, like the buddha himself. Devoid of love. There needs to be a balancing between getting attached to them to feel their love, but also not too attached that you go through heaps of suffering - a balance like what the tantra path is. And honestly, as you go deeper into spirituality, what you end up finding is there is no real balance, because they are one thing - No Mind, Love, 2 sides of the same coin, and you can have the best of both worlds - to be attached, but to not go through hell if you loose those attachments. And I think that's what some people on here miss when they approach friends. And I'm saying this as someone who was raped in high school, bullied badly the years before that, and swore an oath to never get attached to humans ever again. And its been about 5 years now of doing that, I've dodged a lot of friendship issues through this approach. All the drama and getting sucked into bullshit, but I felt empty inside, and only 6 months ago did I really see the true value in human connection when I hit a point in my path where I couldn't tell the difference between a good person and a bad person, as they seemed to blur together. And as I've started hanging out with people more, there really is value in getting intimate with people. It really fills up that emptiness.

I have this very slightly underlying sense of mourning. Like feeling of loss and grievance. I wouldnt care at all if the mind body died right now. as far as my experience is concerned. Its not really there anyway, so im not grieving over loosing stuff, im grieving over whats already lost. Im not depressed though. I have a good life. How do i release this mourning? What are some nice ways of getting over this?

No but funny you mention that, connecting with others face to face is the most effective way to alleviate this issue.

hey minimalist friend ?

Exactly what you, and everyone else wants, to realise the entire universe is love.

You think im elon musk or something? Dont have the money for 6 billion people Thanks everyone for the replies. Think i used the word nihilism a bit too quickly. It was really loss that was the issue. Anyhow it was similar to nihilism so its good stuff that others have posted.

@Carl-Richard thats ultra weird dude. Mindfulness throughout the day was the only thing that worked for me. setting a specific time to meditate a day was the most ineffective method I have ever tried. But i dont want to derail this thread though, just was stunned by your reply.

just keep in mind that contemplation (the most masculine thing you could do) leads to love awakenings.

Love the techniques @Fran11 I (along with a couple of others) didn't initially see the value of noticing distinctions between the energies even though they were the same (all ultimately feminine/love) but after practising noticing the distinctions, there was a dozen or so instances of a re contextualisation of certain appearances that I would very minorly reject for a few milliseconds (like say seeing a murderer on television or seeing a fat guy eating mcdonalds) into seeing those rejections as actually masculine energy, and then the distinction between masculine and feminine collapsed. Didn't even realise you could release rejections by noticing distinctions, then going full circle and collapsing them again. I'm personally going to continue diving deeper into this, and definitely think that just because you are in a state of mind where everything is Nothing (like neo adviata vedanta stuff) or in a state where everything is Love (like the love awakening stuff) feeling and clarity on distinctions is still very powerful, because it allows you to break down very sneaky judgements that you may be vaguely labelling as Love or Nothing, but are actually resistance and rejection. Thanks again Fran11 for introducing us to this stuff! Really loved it. Hopeful that more people get on board with it, regardless of the seeming limitations of the practice.

ask women for advice, not men Men can't see their blindspots.

I really feel for you man. Its such an isolating experience to have. I've also got autism and only got into personal development at the age of 19-20. I just wanted to let you know that there are others out there who have had the same issues, really feel your pain, understand what you're going through, and deeply empathise with you. What you're going through is tough, even if others don't understand. And you can and will get through it. I really wish I could help, but I don't know how. I'm so glad to see that there are other posters above who have amazing advice and are helping you along with your journey. And just a little side note, these issues are temporary, always are temporary. In the end the only thing that's permanent is seeing that every situation possible, whether its being far behind, or having autism, or being an ugly uncool guy, etc. the issue in the end IS always divine infinite love. You end in the same place as everyone else, no matter what happened in your life. Truth and Love are believers in egalitarianism, and don't discriminate between different ways of life unfolding, that discrimination only happens while you have a mind.

@randomguy123 I don't know what's going on here, even though its profound and fascinating. So I'd encourage you to take what's being said with a massive grain of salt, as I really don't want to confuse you or anyone through projecting my own delusion and lies onto your situation, and I've got a lot of fear about doing just that with this post, having said that, what I can definitely feel is so much humility in this post. This post feels like a waterfall just spraying it out in all directions. Humility in being sensitive to Leo's wants and needs, humility in being open to not knowing what's wrong with you and the possibility that others know more then you do (like the doctors in the psyche ward). Humility in being honest with what you feel and how that's bothering you, and humility in being open to being 'low conscious' or 'not connected with everything' even though I don't really know what those terms mean. And especially, humility in noticing that 'everything is so unpure'. If you're open to it, and I know this is tough to do, maybe its time to give yourself slightly more credit then what you've done? Maybe its time to recognise just a little bit, that everything "merging" into one (or as you call it, a slit in your head where things blur out and go to a monochrome) IS "connected with everything"ness? Maybe its time to recognise, just a little bit, that this blur IS a noticing that you're not a standard kid that's tall and skinny, and is a thinker? I think there are several problems going on here, but if I'm allowed to blatantly, and deludedly project my past experiences onto this post, I'd bet my money that your in a psyche ward right now because you've tried to be so humble, so damn humble, that you've allowed your humility to prevent yourself from recognising your true being. The fact of the matter is, you are not a skinny, thinking human, but actually a beautiful, perfect, awesome white light that does blur everything into 1 monochrome. Its ok to recognise you're awesome sometimes. Even if you just do it a little bit. And its ok to recognise that, being awesome means you may need to let go of the many distinctions between your emotions and the "3D world" and just admit that they are 1 thing. They aren't turning into 1 thing, you're not going insane, its not like now that this has happened you're going to be mentally retarded and cannot do maths equations or homework or work anymore, you're just recognising what's been happening since your birth. Try letting go of the need to make distinctions. And just see where that leads you. Forget the thoughts that tell you its not a good idea, and just focus on what feels right.

awesome topic! Thankyou a lot for sharing, the work here is amazing. Do you have any exercises for getting in touch with the 'Love' energy? For some background, I've tried kriya yoga, but it was too mechanical and complicated. I felt like I couldn't really control my energies with that technique because it was too forceful and had too many steps, making the energy clunky. Do you have any not overly forceful energy 'mastery' or techniques for growing and getting in touch with the love energy (or feminine energy if that's what its called in this context?). Also do you have any books you'd recommend?

absolutely beautiful.