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im suprised mathew hasnt given his input on this yet

Hey guys, I've noticed on this forum that people on here have a neurotic, almost ADHD like attachment to what others say in their posts. I've seen(and been involved in) like literally 10 post debates about a certain interpretation of enlightenment, as if someone's interpretation of enlightenment is really going to change reality in any impacting way... And the amount of posts I've seen where people have to reply back to a dialogue, just because someone took them too literally, and consequently started accusing them of not knowing what enlightenment is, being a fraud, being too literal, and hence mentally incapable of handling the big boy self inquiry stuff(usually the ones who dont do the work write this stuff). Like seriously, us as a group would get so much more insights, and save so much more time, if we didn't have Mr. Dali Lawyer up our asses, turning our posts into incriminating evidence for "Saying something about enlightenment that doesn't fit my belief of it". Wouldn't we all much rather ask questions, and get answers about insights and advice, rather than trying to defend a position, that really doesn't matter that much anyway? It saves time, eliminates the need to clarify what you have said, it stops off topic and completely useless arguments about which belief is better, and reduces the amount of BS you need to read to actually get to the answer of an OP's question. Whose with me?

@30secs What if your worldview(Chemicals in the brain causing consciousness) was couched in consciousness? And its actually the reverse?

Where abouts can one find find girls to talk to? I've heard on this thread that you can go to shops or coffee place, but isn't it creepy if a guy goes to the shops purely to pick up chicks? Which areas are appropriate for picking up chicks, areas that do not require a lot of money for access. Going to clubs, in my opinion, is a very cost ineffective way of finding chicks, because of the amount of money spent on alcohol, and how clubbing deteriorates your sleeping pattern

How much time per week do you spend socializing with friends: meeting up one on one, going to concerts/clubs/movies, etc? Do you think socializing is waste of time? What are your thoughts on this?

When socializing, its very important to express yourself well. From my experience, half of the meaning in communication is physical expression. I have a series of problems, including: - stuttering - pausing for long periods of time, because I have issues with finding the right words to say. - muddling up my words While these problems may seem small, expression can catastrophically impact the influence within a date, the person may be turned off by it. The second half of the issue I have with verbal expression is my knowledge field(that Leo talks about in his latest video) is radically different to everyone elses, because I am a very weird person, which interests that are rarely shared with others. This leads me to interpret things said by someone on a date incorrectly(take things the wrong way) and generally be very awkward on a date. Are there any specific tips I can take to overcome these issues? Sorry for the overwhelming list of problems, I have researched extensively and found little help on this issue

@Anna It's not about splitting up the community, its about knowing a few more people on a deeper level, and possibly fostering active encouragement from those relationships, independent of the forum.

@Matthew Lamot ive tried Matthew, I re-read all of your posts, i looked at your profile, and i came up with the summary i wrote down, how much more can i really do? Again, you are not cooperating with me, you are helping others who look at this forum, I am not the only one involved here

@Matthew Lamot you're not working hard for me, you're working hard for people who will look at this forum. Remember what you said about how you are trying to negate me?

@Matthew Lamot ok one last time: If you are giving me good advice, its very indirect and construed, I've looked at all of your replys just then, and cannot find ANYTHING that I can actually implement in my meditaiton habit. NOTHING. You have written heaps of shit about karma, and about how karma makes me a lost cause, and about how im the product of the jiva-> niave because im not listening to you, and about how im too gullible, and about how I'm misguided for sitting down every morning for 30 minutes and watching my thoughts(because thats new agey), and about how our enlightenment is half baked, and about how you are already the self, and about how my belief about reality is wrong. Like wtf does Maya and jiva, even mean? ^How the hell is that going to get me higher awareness? Just give me one quote that will help me get enlightened? just one little step. like idk distance yourself from thoughts, then let them go. Just one. Why wont you do that? I've looked at your profile, you dont have shit about self inquiry, just arguing with people on other posts again about your belief. Here ill even give you a template because you are so lofty and airy fairy: True Enlightened leaders: 1. blabla 2. blabla Enlightenment steps to do every morning: 1. sit down and take big breathes 2. focus on your breathing 3. get into the present moment 4. watch all of your thoughts Links and resources for further reading: 1. www.whatever.com 2. www.MatthewIsAwesome.com I know you wont do the above, because if you were really sincere about changing people, you would have already given us this information in the first place. I'm just writing this post to negate you lol

@Matthew Lamot and one last thing before I stop procrastinating on this forum, stop identifying me with the new age movement, because I have never been involved with it. Everything I am saying has been produced by me, and me only. I heard the word new ageism for the first time on this thread. If you really care about helping others, you wouldn't falsely presume things onto other people

this isnt techniques btw, its just your opinion on what the self is. You should watch Leo's videos, he gives actual concrete instructions on how to get to enlightenment. Thats what we are all after

@Matthew Lamot Matthew please, stop misinterpreting what im saying. You have misinterpreted me at least 8 times in this post. and it will take too much to point them all out. I'm after step by step process such as: 1. look at an object and distance yourself from the thoughts of it or whatever your teachings say. I have asked now 3 times for this information, and you just reply with your BS about what your perspective of enlightenment is. Why not give me links RIGHT NOW, instead of showing me how wrong my worldview is, and how right yours is. Give me the links now, give me the steps now! If you can't do that, no one is going to listen to you, because on actualized.org, we care about enlightenment, not being dogmatic. If you don't like that find some 3 year olds to brain wash. and I love that excuse you give, that you are only replying to me to negate me, and to help others. We all know that you are replying to me because you are emotionally stimulated. funny I use to use that BS excuse once too. Reason why I'm replying, is because I am considering your prespective, in case you do have some good information about reaching higher levels of consciousness, but you don't seem to want to give it to us, is it because you don't have any and youre just bluffing? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and if you really need me to prove to you that I HAVE read your stuff, here you go: "if you want to create a 3 Michelin Star meal you use the right materials." -> youre saying your ways are better than anyone elses, see that? That's what you accused me and shamed me of doing. "Non duality means "truth". Its the truth. This means it is not an "experience" of non duality. It means weeding out all the lies from the mind which destroys the binding vasanas. So true non dual teachings ARE the ultimate no bullshit path. Thats what Advaita means, its literally means NO BULLSHIT! So when you say that the jiva (relative self) must learn to accept others, this is a fallacy. It is a fallacy because it is not part of the teaching. Its true that in reality there is no hate, but you cannot give the POV of the Self over to the Jiva to make a belief out of. That is not how it works. How it works is we respect the relative realm and give the jiva Self Inquiry and teachings to Realize the Self." -> I don't know if you realize this, but all of this is dogma, and you are saying that the above ^ is the truth, and what I wrote is wrong, can't you see how this is dogmatic? You accuse me of doing things that you do! "Youre a dreamer, but I post responses so I can negate you. Not because I give a fuck about you, or your liberation. Someone will read this and say "fuck me, he might have a point". Those mature and sincere students are few and far between, but they are around." -> you have a lot of hatred against me for an enlightened person.

@Sultan lol Sultan if you want drama go watch Kim Kardashian. It may be fun to watch, but its also a distraction and an impedement to PD

@Matthew Lamot i dont really want to read enlightenment books because it will add to the dogmatism. Would much rather just see what America looks like instead of wasting time memorising the error prone map of it. Just you seem to do the same as me, and say that my concept is wrong and your concept is right, like on 80% of your replys. Isnt that being hypocritical? So lets say i do take on your advice, where are the resources for these ultimate teachings? Where are the meditation techniques? What religion are you even talking about?

@Matthew Lamot You said that my belief is wrong, if you were truely open minded, you would have said that my belief is an opinion, but you didnt. All words are signposts to the real thing. Words arent the truth itself. You cant accurately say that someone's idea is wrong, after an awareness related experience. All words are stories. I'm willing to explore other teachings, but I'm on a strict no BS diet. And when you say that one POV is more wrong than the other, it shows clearly that you are dogmatic. Ehy would i trust someones teachings if they themselves are dogmatic? You also fail to give step by step techniques, ways in which to get to enlightenment, you just spout out your POV of what enlightenment is. And how evil ageism is. That isnt helping anyone. Your pretty much saying convert to islam because i have experience that islam works. Christianity is bs. Who would listen to that??? Why should we just trust that you have experience? Anyone can say that. This is how religion is formed, by listening to dogma that people like you present, and then just believing it relentlessly.

@Matthew Lamot What's the difference between you and a fundamentalist, dogmatic muslim? Because both of you are 100% certain that you are right, and both of you are 100% intolerant of other teachings apart from your own. Both of you are 100% unaware that misinterpreting a book written 3000 years ago is possible, and that language is ambiguous and have shortcomings when trying to understand spirituality. Both of you have a purpose to spread your ideas to other people. How am I no less gullible listening to you, than listening to the leader of a fundamentalist muslim?

@Matthew Lamot "or stick to your many enlightenment books" you didn't read anything I wrote, didn't you? Pity. What I told you wasn't a belief, it was a fact that my experience proved to me. I'll take you up on your offer to learn and question my beliefs. But I don't want to hear about your pretentious, obnoxious hatred for new ageism, because as many others see, its so egotistical and dogmatic it makes everyone on here cringe. Give us on this forum advice about how to expand our awareness, actual techniques. Not some beliefs about how mighty your crystalized 8 bc book is. Because when I hear beliefs that are backed up by 0 evidence, and sound like they are being told by an old pissed of British man whose soul purpose is to pressure sell his ego, I as many others do, switch off. If you can't present that, your like every other pretentious, dogmatic jerk on this forum.

Well that's strange, because I haven't read any books about enlightenment, or spoken to anyone about meditation apart from Leo's videos. I never said you had to love yourself, all im saying is that you shouldn't hate people because of their egoism. When you hate someone, you're implying that you think they shouldn't be there, like you are arrogantly telling god( or universe if you hate that word) that he should not have created that. Well guess what, god, who is more powerful, and almighty than what you will ever be, did put them there, they are in awareness, and if you want to reach high levels of consciousness, you better get on god's page, and accept them as well. Question why do you believe selfishness is bad? I guarantee you it will come down to some arbitrary belief, that the universe doesn't obey.

@popi People are complex, sometimes they are selfish, but sometimes they are selfless. They may be selfish in relationships, but selfless in their charity work. Its much greyer than what you think. You can't paint a range of people with just one brush.

@popi why is being selfish a bad thing? I know we have been socially conditioned to put shame upon people who are selfish, but why? Why do you hate selfish people? They are apart, and accepted by this universe as much as you are. God created them

what about if one of those reasons are to develop a connection with someone to sequentially care for them? The reason why you want to enter a relationship is to learn about another individual, develop a better understanding about them, and then to help and care for them, to gain fulfillment from helping someone you share similarities with, and know deeply? Yeah your message does sound cynical, but is there really anything cynical about the selfishness of a relationship? Like what a brilliant way of gaining benefits! Use other people and come up with an arragement to do so! Its much more sophisticated and smart than trying to reap those benefits independently. But you make relationships sound like business deals, there aren't quite business deals, there are(potentially) much more deep and fulfilling rewards from being in a relationship, then comming up with a deal with some bank to rip off civillians.

@bloo stop playing your guitar, and write a book about your life, because that was a fucking intriguing story you told there.

@username upload consciousness???????? What the hell does that even mean?

@soniadoll_ I don't know much about you or your situation, but is asking you whether you have a foot fetish that bad of a thing to ask? Why do you take people's words so seriously? He is probably just trying to make a rather boring event fun and quirky. You don't believe in freedom of speech either dont you? The thing precious leftys like you need to understand is that words coming out of his mouth are just sound waves, that's it. You can easily ignore the meaning of those sound waves, and then the problem will disappear. You say your having trouble sleeping at night because of it. I don't know why, what's the worst thing that can happen? He can get upset that you are ignoring him. And besides, have you noticed that the thing that's stressing you out are just thoughts, they aren't even real. Distance yourself from them. People literally ran directly into line of fire back in world war 2, and you can't sleep because of sound waves exiting someone's mouth? You are making too much of a deal out of this, don't listen to those self sabotaging thoughts.