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This hypothetical scenario I posted above is a cultural issue, not a personal issue. It breaks social norms.

@Pinocchio NTO-Dingu this question was a hypothetical scenario that doesn't require advice but just an answer.

@Pinocchio NTO-Dingu so what does non manipulation look like? @SFRL so would you sacrifice your value of freedom for a relationship? I remember Leo saying in his 30 red flags video that you should be exposed to more women otherwise you'll be too needy for the one you have. I think that's a good point.

I value freedom. Not sure if that's problematic or not.... And she's very good at the career im in. She's a very valuable asset to my career.

@Pinocchio NTO-Dingu I see manipulation as an act of changing an environment to achieve a certain mindstate. What else can manipulation be? And I mean internal not just external. So PD is manipulation too. And some forms of spirituality is as well. No I don't understand the problem with treating manipulation as a separate entity, apart from the problem that it doesn't mix well with your authentic desires that much.

@Spiral with the level of consciousness of the human population, I think it's wise to find ways of dealing with the current social norms, rather than try and find that perfect girl who doesn't exist. But I agree, talking about it may be the best solution. I see really successful people, happy gurus, and a lot of them are masters or manipulation. Take a look at sadghuru, ghandi, even Einstein, they are all great manipulators, and so I can't help but think that manipulation is a good skill to have. @Snick I agree. Spiritual answers sound cool on a hippy forum like this, but in reality they just don't cut it.

@Pinocchio NTO-Dingu I'm just pointing out that its illogical to advise me to end my relationship and be celibate, all because im manipulating, when manipulation is unavoidable as long as we are in a society. There's nothing problematic about relationships. Many people have successful ones that last for decades happily, and I know someone on here can advise me with great advice.

@Pinocchio NTO-Dingu I just want to point out that if you think you're liberated from manipulation, think again. The reason why you have a phone or a computer is because you manipulate the fuck out of your life. The reason why you have money is because you manipulate the fuck out of life. The reason why you are alive right now is because you manipulate the fuck out of life. The reason why you found spirituality was to manipulate your happiness levels. Unless you decide to go out into a deserted forest, and live there without human contact, you're manipulating no less than me. And even then, killing an animal to feed yourself is still manipulation.

Tackling your girlfriend is fun, especially when she gives you cheek. You should try it. And I think handling a relationship is a valuable skill to have, even if it does involve manipulation. Hahahahahahahahahaha You sound like a diehard hindu. I get what you're saying though.

@Dodo Yeah I have, 2 people. This forum is a cool place to meet people, but don't forget, the quality of people you get from regular buddhist/spiritual events yoga events etc are just as good.

Anyone else think this song is a quite a beautiful metaphor for a transcendence experience? Just be mindful that the song has been tailored to persuade an audience to be Christian, so the lyrics aren't perfect, especially the "when fear comes knocking, there you'll be my guard" part is especially problematic. But apart from that it seems pretty cool to me.

@kieranperez how about you spend your entire weekend getting to the root bottom of why you love competing so much, contemplate the core of it, and then use that as a way of being a creator, and getting rid of that desire you have to be a hamster on a hamster wheel.

Over the past 2 years, I made it a goal to go partying/a social event 3 times a week, and ive been fairly consistent with that goal over the years. Though I feel like my social intelligence has barely increased from doing this. My goal is to be very social, so that I can carry out career goals, and be a good leader. What are the best ways tof increase your social intelligence? Apart from pickup.

So like use sign language kind of?

@Shin I mean, is there anything for socializing like how there is for pickup? Like will just being yourself teach you how to persuade people to join your company, increase their morale when they realize how crazy your vision is, teach you how to make people feel better etc? Yeah you're right, I do feel tired and drained all the time though. It's a big relief to not have to socialize much a week.

@Veggies your desire to post this question, comes from a deep down desire to enlighten. You don't have a choice, you want enlightenment whether you realize it or not, and its not up to you to decide how useful it is to you.

Systems thinking is so weird and out there, that its very hard to find resources that specifically target what systems thinking is, and how to use it, so if anyone has any resources, including your own experiences and ideas please: - very brief description of the resource - rate the information out of /10 -> pros and cons if possible - share the resource, link if possible.

pickup and a long term relationship, is as different as the night and the day. This person is also 0.01% of the population, if she exists at all. You have to first attract a girl, and then you can do stuff that makes a relationship successful. Like girls wear makeup for a reason. I could tell a girl on here "Don't wear makeup, you'll attract all the douchebags who only care about looks" but you know as well as me that high quality guys also care about looks. And I'm speaking from experience. I'm in a relationship now, and I go there from using certain tactics, and then stopping those tactics after the relationship got serious. Just because you're a decade older, doesn't mean I have no xp with women.

Be ok with being an asshole. Read "the art of war" surprisingly appropriate for the issue you'really going through.

@Emerald It makes sense from your perspective that you 2 would know how to attract women more than us. But that's not the case. Just because you guys have awareness of what is happening inside your skull, doesn't mean you guys know, or are aware of why those things in your skull pop up in the first place, let alone have full awareness of the techniques guys pull, and how that effects your thoughts and desires. This leads to a lot of projection and misleading information, and honestly thinking you know more than you do, hence why guys don't usually want to ask a girl what attracts them. Sometimes it is useful, but often times it is not. The other point you're forgetting is that, to teach someone to attract a girl, you need to be able to organize information in a palatable way, and give him a certain perspective so that he can dualistically think of a way of attracting them. This first person perspective from a woman doesn't even provide a slight tint of this. But guys who have tried these techniques, like Leo and RSD Tyler, have observed things from a dualistic, scientific perspective, which makes it much easier to turn that info into techniques for getting girls. This is a well known problem in cognitive psychology, and is the reason why cognitive psychology was made in the first place. Science and duality is a made up framework. And its not compatible with truth; your first person experience, for it to be useful. The reason why scientists didn't ask Einstein for a reason as to why he was so smart, is because from his first person perspective, he couldn't provide a scientific reason for it, no matter how good of a scientist he was. That's why scientists looked at his brain after his death, and found the centre of it to be 2wice as big as the other parts. The reason why guys don't ask girls for what attracts girls is because their 1st person perspective isn't useful for our dualistic understandings., and hence our techniques. What you guys say(assuming your as aware as the buddha) is more true than what guys say, but our murky beliefs are more useful than your observations. From your perspective, you don't like bad emotions. But the problem here is then you go and assume: - bad emotions makes guys less likely to get a girl - that bad emotions are useless - women will ditch a guy because of bad emotions. Yes you might know more about whether a certain thing we do brings up bad emotions, but let me tell you, guys know more about how those bad emotions make you react. It doesn't even matter what's happening inside your head, as long as we know what behavior yields what, we've achieved our goal.

some monks don't sleep at all

Say someone, a random hunter from Argentina, wants to see a Lamborghini for real. You could draw the Lamborghini on a piece of paper, from all different angles, with different shades and colours. You could even take a real picture of it. But that will never be that same as seeing a Lamborghini in reality. In reality its in your awareness, produced on a slate of consciousness. The Lamborghini in the drawing you made is made of pencil colours and ink, produced on a paper slate. And the argentinian will never understand what its like to see a real lamborghini in real life just from your drawing, because the actual material's properties are just not the same as a real lamborghini. The pencil and ink, and paper fundamentally are limited in what they can show you. Concepts are like the paper and pencil. Its fundamentally limited, by its pure essence. You can produce whatever concept you want for why we have measurement, and it will bring you no closer to understanding the truth. Because concept is the problem here. Anyway the reason why you have to contemplate this question, is because there isn't even a conceptual explanation for what you are asking, even if you are ok with concepts. You're pretty much asking "Why does a picture of a lamborghini kind of look like a real lamborghini?" What drawing is going to give you the answer to that? I'm not saying everything is god -> that's just another concept. See you're looking for a concept and interpreting my answer as a conceptual answer. My answer isn't. My answer is a calling you to go on an adventure within yourself. Its a message saying there is a princess needing saving out in the darkest areas of the woods.

can you see 5 feet long using only your visual field? If not your making BS up and believing in your own BS. And don't think getting a random plank, with a bunch of lines on it justifies 5 feet long as something real. A bunch of lines put together is no real than a word. Evidence???? Who says there even is an objective? Whatever the fuck that is. First real major assumption: There's a difference between what's in your head and what's in the 'external world' Youre assuming there is an external world in the first place. Who says other people are creating thoughts in their head when you look at them? Are players in GTA creating thoughts in their head as well when you look at them? Or are you smart enough to realize that a mind, person, body are all concepts in your head, and what you're really looking at is god, and god only? Your question here isn't about measurement or the physical universe, its about consistency. Heaps of people on this forum have already asked it, confused as hell as to how the world can be so consistent. The fact of the matter is, there is an answer to your question, but you need to contemplate on it for at least a week. No one on here can give you the answer you want. Its not conceptual.

@AstralProjection you just made 1 billion assumptions, and justified this magical 'distinction' using those 1 billion assumptions. Contemplate, then come back to this forum.

@AstralProjection contemplate for a whole day on what measurement is, and see if you believe the same thing