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@Serotoninluv Yes, I've read your story on another thread (I forget which one). You used to teach your students why ghosts are an irrational idea, and now you take time in your classes for your students to meditate and stuff. I don't remember what changed you but I remember how you changed.

(I know this is the thousandth time I have asked this) This is the difference between green and yellow, right?: Green is basically a religion that wants to convert everyone to itself. It is a hive-mind community. Yellow wants everyone to reach their true potential even if its below green. Yellow is okay with an orange being orange as long as he is serving a good function for society. Green just wants everyone to dissolve into the community that it creates. The problem is that people cannot express themselves properly if they are all melted into a community. Yellow rejects the community because it values helping people add the greatest value to society possible in their own personal life purpose way. It's basically the same as the transition from purple to red. Purple melts everyone into the family so that they cannot express their true potential, and red is reacting to this.

@Serotoninluv In that case, I should be spending time with different kinds of people. Rich, poor, gay, different countries, etc.

I don't feel qualified to make this decision. If you forced me to pick, though, I would probably let the 90% starve. It's the billionares' choice whether they want to help or not; I shouldn't force anyone to make a moral decision. However, I have never been in poverty. Before I feel qualified to make this decision, I would have to spend time being very poor. I want to know physically and mentally how it feels to be starving.

I don't know that much about politics; I just put my faith in whoever I feel has good intentions. However these are my views: Gay marriage triggers me (I think it's a perversion) and forcing the rich to pay more triggers me (why should they have to give up the money they rightfully earned?). I think there should be more compassion for criminals; I hate how its hard to get hired if you have a criminal record. Also there should be compassion for them because they can't help the fact that they're criminals. There should be amnesty for them. I think healthcare and college should be free for everybody.

For me it was a scary experience. I don't want anyone to go through the thing I went through on that day.

@Joseph Maynor I think I would benefit more from practical steps to take. There must be a reason why I'm having so much trouble understanding the spiral (aside from the fact that I'm probably deeply stage green).

I think its time that I stop being a spiral dynamics zombie. I'm probably not the kind of person that should be studying it in the first place. I should let myself naturally flow and move up the spiral without actually being aware of it.

@Joseph Maynor If what you've described is yellow, then what is orange? Isn't orange about being responsible for your own wealth? Is it that orange gets trapped in the waves of society, while yellow is moving its piece strategically in search of freedom?

I like using the Hare Krishna chant.

"You can make someone happy just by uttering a single sentence!" This one got me.

You should stick that first video in the yellow examples mega thread.

This is mocking the excesses of green:

@Pilgrim I could have worded it in a way that sounds neutral and intellectual, but instead I chose to be radically honest. Here is my attempt at the neutral and intellectual wording, for laughs: Everybody has a certain "state" that they feel good at. If people are in their state then they feel good and stay the same permanently, because it is basically their purpose in life. Most people's states are mediocore such as being a plumber or a pizza delivery man. They are happy there and that's fine; the world needs plumbers and pizza delivery men (although I would advocate for a vegan alternative). However, there are also people whose states are higher such as a leader of a group or someone important. These people, like everybody else, feel uncomfortable until they reach their state. They need to gravitate towards their state and won't feel comfortable until they get there. They also won't fit in with people of lower states; they need to gravitate towards other leaders and such, which can take a while. It's like a drop of oil at the bottom of a cup of water; it has to gravitate all the way up through the water to the top so it can be with the rest of the oil.

I agree. Dating advice should change the root of the person instead of changing their outside. It should change who you are from the inside out.

I do it too.

There are two kinds of people: the typical people who are basically just walking dead the people who are rejected socially at first and are confused until they start their self-improvement journey and such and end up being the real winners in the end. This group was never comfortable with the normal standard way of living. They always wanted something bigger. That's why they never fit in with others.

Fair enough.

Why would I ever want to transition to yellow? Green seems so nice. It's all love and femininity.

I'm not doing anything besides the little stuff like recycling and being a vegan. Make me the president and I'll executive order convert everyone to solar energy.

Are you talking about pluralistic harmony? You mean that green wants harmony for everybody but only on green's terms (convert everyone to green), whereas tier 2 wants harmony between everyone's stages, religions, political systems etc?

It's been bugging me that I can't distinguish between green, yellow, and turquoise so well. What bugs me the most is that all of them are described as being spiritual, but I can't distinguish what's the difference in their spirituality. Here is my best guess of what they all mean: Orange people value free speech and freedom to do what you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else (mainly physically). They tend to have rationalist, secular, reductionist minds. They tend to have a simple way of viewing the world when compared to Yellow. A yellow person might look at social media and see it as making people addicted to the dopamine hits they get from every notification; an Orange person would think that this theory is nonsense and that people only get addicted to drugs and alchohol - not simple things like social media. A yellow person might see a homeless person and blame multiple factors in his life, such as genetic inclination or poor economy, rather than blaming him directly; and orange person would blame the homeless person directly and not consider such factors. Green people still mainly think in this simple, reductionist way. The main difference is not in how they think, but their values. Green people's values have shifted towards making everyone feel good about themselves and having equal rights. Liberal college students come to my mind, along with cool, hip adults who are friendly with everyone. They are generally just normal people except they're the ones who are friendly to everybody without discrimination. Some green people are open to spiritual things such as meditation and psychedelics now, but not all of them. Lastly, green people mainly work just to pay bills and don't have much aspiration for themselves. They might support equal rights and go to protests and start charities, but they aren't very interested in personal success. Life purpose and self-actualization don't really come to mind for green people. Yellow people want to make the world a better place too, but they do it by making themselves successful. What they want is to grow themselves and to see their growth naturally help the people around them. For example, Leo grows himself by following his dream of raising people's awareness. He is self-actualizing himself by going on this journey, benefiting himself, but it also helps humanity out as a by-product. Success is defined by yellow people as making a positive impact on the world, as opposed to Orange's success which was about having a good job and living comfortably. Like Green, some people are open to spiritual things such as psychedelics and the Law of Attraction, but not necessarily so. Somehow at this stage, Yellow people become open to systems thinking (what I described Orange as lacking), although I don't see the connection between systems thinking and self-actualization. Turquoise people are the ones who say things such as "your only job is to love whatever is presented to you in the current moment" or "true change is within; leave the outside as it is." The boundary between you and the world starts to break down; what goes on inside of you changes the outside world, and the outside world seems to be testing you or playing a game with you. This is my best guess of what Turquoise is like.

I also say that you should test it. You should be in a safe environment with someone you trust to take care of you. You should be in a good place in your life (be careful about lying to yourself when saying you're in a good place).

I did half of it so far and will finish it soon. It looks awesome and advanced. It clearly comes from some advanced thinkers.

@yawning_@starsofclay Holy shit I never thought I would find other people who get this too, where you hear chatter of people as you fall asleep. Mine sometimes say funny things too.