Bernardo Carleial

The issue at hand is vMEME RED, But the Analysis presented in that documentary is very vMEME Yellow

Early vMEME Green talking about toxic vMEME Orange behavior. It is quite iluminating to see how the guest is able to go meta in order to evaluate how far his earlier friend has gone off road. (forget the gossip, let's focus on the discussion)

War and Peace - Leo Tolstoy Although Tolstoy himself I would consider him at early vMEME Green, the novel, from what I could see, covers a lot of the power dynamics within the vMEME Blue nobility/aristocracy, how people with different ranks in the hierarchy interact with one another, and the gender roles and fixed moral values that they all have to obey... Here is an excerpt from the book, which is an exchange of letters between two countesses, talking about Christian Faith: "Yet since you tell me that among some good things it contains others which our weak human understanding cannot grasp, it seems to me rather useless to spend time in reading what is unintelligible and can therefore bear no fruit. I never could understand the fondness some people have for confusing their minds by dwelling on mystical books that merely awaken their doubts and excite their imagination, giving them a bent for exaggeration quite contrary to Christian simplicity. Let us rather read the Epistles and Gospels. Let us not seek to penetrate what mysteries they contain; for how can we, miserable sinners that we are, know the terrible and holy secrets of Providence while we remain in this f lesh which forms an impenetrable veil between us and the Eternal? Let us rather confine ourselves to studying those sublime rules which our divine Saviour has left for our guidance here below. Let us try to conform to them and follow them, and let us be persuaded that the less we let our feeble human minds roam, the better we shall please God, who rejects all knowledge that does not come from Him; and the less we seek to fathom what He has been pleased to conceal from us, the sooner will He vouchsafe its revelation to us through His divine Spirit."

That's actually early Blue(vMEME RED/Blue) And because of that, you might expect a lot of vMEME RED involved.

"It is difficult for members of a modern individualistic society to imagine the extent to which the Canela(tribe) saw the group as more important than the individual. Generosity and sharing was the ideal, while withholding was a social evil. Sharing possessions brought esteem. Sharing one’s body was a direct corollary. Desiring control over one’s goods and self was a form of stinginess. In this context, it is easy to understand why women chose to please men and why men chose to please women who expressed strong sexual needs. No one was so self-important that satisfying a fellow tribesman was less gratifying than personal gain." Sex At Dawn - Christopher Ryan & Cacilda Jethá

I still can't believe this is happening (and I also cannot believe I'm writing this down) the reason why I'm sharing this with you guys it's because I feel myself in a very vulnerable state.... I live in Brazil, and I'm preparing myself for taking an exam called ENEM, which is the equivalent to a SAT test. As I was studying at my school, doing remote studying due to the pandemic, when I've met her(she's a vMEME Yellow Literature teacher), she was substituting another professor, who left the school, the moment I saw her, I immediately started to feel an intense connection, I considered myself in a vMEME ORANGE/Green , but I always had a very deep appreciation towards the vMEME Yellow independence and expertise, also the fact that they are a lone wolf. And she has all that characteristics that were previously mentioned (plus more) I started chatting with her, sharing her some ideas which I thought she might like, and she always replied me with a text expressing her views in a more broader manner, always leaving space for discussion. Until one day I couldn't resist anymore and declared myself to her, that I was in love, and that's when things get weird.... she replied me back, in a very direct and also neutral manner (that's pretty much the moment when I realized how Yellow thinks...) She said that her job is a very important pillar of her life and that she doesn't want to risk losing it , she also said that she could not intervene with my emotions in the sense that she wouldn't say how I should or shouldn't behave, that it is up to me to decide... she also said that if it isn't too much for me that we can continue having the same kind of discussions that we've had before, because she appreciates my point of view on things... I remember I felt devastated, but at the same time she was so honest and neutral that I couldn't blame her even if I wanted to... Until one day, I've had an emotional breakdown (things are getting tough for me these days...) and for some reason I reached out for her once more asking for help, and she was slowly being able to soothe me and to take me out from that terrible state that I was in... She find out I'm an artist... and that immediately sparkled her attention, she wanted to know more about how my creative process actually works. She eventually ended up calling me with a giant list of questions, wanting to know how the world looks like from the perspective of an artist. At that moment I didn't know how to react... but I decided to take her questions, but from time to time, I could resist and started to say how much I'm in love with her and how much joy it would be for me to get to know her better (I felt very vulnerable at that moment...) but again... she remained silent and neutral... and continued asking me questions . The only thing near to what I was hoping for was the moment she said that if it wasn't in that particular context (Professor- Student) she said that there might be a possibility for her to consider because she finds my worldview to be very interesting... and that was it. And every time I try to get her to say something more, she dodges the question, once more, in a very neutral way.... I need some help guys! I'm really desperate . I was always afraid of falling in love precisely because of that. I'm constantly thinking about her, but I don't whether I should talk to her more or try to avoid her for a while... Every answer she does seems more and more ambiguous to me.... and she is very self-sufficient she likes to do things by herself (even travel!) and I can imagine how turn off it might be for her having to deal with a needy guy the way I'm behaving these days... Please guys I need help! If you were able to go that far.... please give me a comment. I appreciate you guys thoughts on things!???

@Leo Gura! DO YOU THINK I'M NOT AWARE OF THIS LEO!!!?? I was a pickup-artist myself!!!! Off course I know that I'm being needy!!! Do you think I'm doing this willingly!?!? I definitely wasn't expecting this!!! For years I thought that I got immune to this, because I haven't experienced that since I started doing pickup... But now it seems to have bitten me in the ass...

"For the primitives, childbirth is surrounded by strict taboos; in particular, the placenta must be carefully burned or thrown into the sea, because whoever might get hold of it would hold the newborn’s fate in his hands; this envelope in which the fetus is formed is the sign of its dependence; in annihilating it, the individual is able to detach himself from the living magma and to realize himself as an autonomous being." An excerpt from the book "The Second Sex" by Simone de Beauvoir

Now THAT is REAL Journalism!!!!

The worldview that this girl has is very vMEME Orange

This is gonna be one of those videos that talks about the notion o NOFAP. I would like to share my opinions towards it because I think not many people talk about that from this perspective. A couple years ago I was into nofap, and I was able to endure one year with very little relapse, until one day I realized that I was very worried about this notion and then I found that I became neurotic about it. Today I'm aware of the benefits of semen retention that he talks about. But I don't consider myself as a "follower " of the NOFAP group. And what ends up happening paradoxically is that it enhances more my sexuality. Because if I wanna watch porn, I watch porn, if I wanna jerk off, I do jerk off. But today I became so conscious of the toxicity and fakeness that porn can bring that I can even stand looking at it. I realized that there are more healthier ways to keep yourself aroused. Just watching a woman enjoying her own body might be sufficient. And if you think you can't do that, so yeah..., try a 6 month nofap and see how it goes, it can give all these benefits that this guys is talking about!???

This video might be hard to watch, viewer discretion is advised

@Hello from RussiaBecause I don't know enough about this particular stage(Turquoise) to make the case.? It is more due to my lack of knowledge other than anything else...as I have written before in my last post on this mega-thread: my spiral wizardry goes until vMEME Yellow . However, I know for sure that he is solid vMEME Yellow because of his Integral Theory. P.S: I realized that I have omitted the word "not" in my last post. Making it seem like I understand vMEME Turquoise, which is definitely not the case... ?I'm sorry for that.?

Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand and the philosophy of Objectivism | Lex Fridman Podcast #138 https://youtu.be/SOr1YYRljV8 This interview is very good for understanding the vMEME Orange worldview. It contains a lot of the references that Leo has mentioned in his video "Why Libertarianism is Nonsense"

A lot of members here put Ken Wilber at vMEME Turquoise. but because I'm not very familiar with that stage, I will put him at vMEME YELLOW/Turquoise. But in this topic in particular he touches on a lot of non-dual principles that is associated to vMEME Turquoise.

Here is an ENTIRE PLAYLIST on the subject. Which covers its fundamental concepts in a very educational manner. Enjoy!??

Sacred Prostitution is actually a very ancient practice, we have evidence that the Babylonians held rituals to the godess Ishtar, which involves giving offerings to her pristesses in her temple in order to have sex with them, because it was said that it gives them blessings. And it seems to me that something similar might be the case with the devadasi women... However, in our modern society, this tradition became completely distorted and is now associated with prostitution and child exploitation. Polarizing even more the social inequality in the lower casts of India.

https://www.amazon.com/Finite-Infinite-Games-James-Carse/dp/1476731713 Before I write anything down, I'll need to clarify that vMEME Turquoise is actually the most difficult stage for me to classify, my spiral wizardry reaches until vMEME Yellow. But this book seems very different from anything I came across so far... it all gravitates toward the notion of reality as it is experienced by us as being either a finite or an infinite game. And the author describes his teachings in very insightful manner(was the most profound book I've read this year), that gave me the impression that he really had access to some timeless principles of The Truth himself. But again... I might be wrong about that... he might be just another New Age Guru. I'll let you guys to decide, that's why I brought to you some excerpts from the book: "Finite players play within boundaries; infinite players play with boundaries. " "If no amount of veiling can conceal the veiling itself, the issue is how far we will go in our seriousness at self-veiling, and how far we will go to have others act in complicity with us." "There are no rules that require us to obey rules. If there were, there would have to be a rule for those rules, and so on. " "What limits vision is rather the incompleteness of that vision. One never reaches a horizon. It is not a line; it has no place; it encloses no field; its location is always relative to the view. To move toward a horizon is simply to have a new horizon. One can therefore never be close to one's horizon, though one may certainly have a short range of vision, a narrow horizon." "... For this reason it can be said that where a society is defined by its boundaries, a culture is defined by its horizon." "Metaphysics is about the real but is abstract. Poetry is the making (poiesis) of the real and is concrete. Whenever what is made (poiema) is separated from the maker (poietes), it becomes metaphysical. As it stands there, and as the voice of the poietes is no longer listened to, the poiema is an object to be studied, not an act to be learned. One cannot learn' an object, but only the poiesis, or the act of creating objects. To separate the poiema from poiesis, the created object from the creative act, is the essence of the theatrical. Poets cannot kill; they die. Metaphysics cannot die; it kills. " "A genius does not have a mind full of thoughts but is the thinker of thoughts, and is the center of a field of vision. It is a field of vision, however, that is recognized as a field of vision only when we see that it includes within itself the original centers of other fields of vision. This does not mean that I can see what you see. On the contrary, it is because I cannot see what you see that I can see at all. The discovery that you are the unrepeatable center of your own vision is simultaneous with the discovery that I am the center of my own. " P.S: sorry for the long post?

This is a very interesting video that describes how the greatest thinkers of history had tried to explain the notion of infinite, it has a lot of correlations with Leo's video "Understanding Absolute Infinity". Although in this video they don't want to arrive at any conclusion, they just want to share what has been written amongst philosophers throughout history with regard to this topic. Enjoy!??