Elysian

You're projecting on to me, I have no attachments or egoic desires. I allow Truth to flow through me, nothing more.

Avoiding responsibility was the whole tone of your first message. You realized something was wrong in your interactions and you posted here to get insight into why. Now you're avoiding your avoidance, and this will only hurt yourself. "People are just constantly becoming angry with me. Is it because they think I'm questioning their knowledge? They are taking it personal? Like I'm attacking them? I'm not by the way." I'm happy that you've recognized the fault in your approach. I'm sure the quality of your life and the lives of the people you interact with will improve.

There's no such thing as unconditional hate.

The idea of Maya itself is the true illusion. It's archaic ideology used to manipulate you into thinking the Absolute Void is what you should strive for. The Absolute Void is pure, unconditional love, in umanifiested form. The Relative, the world we live in, what is incorrectly referred as an illusion, is where that love is given an opportunity to express itself. Do you think it's a coincidence that it hurts in increasing intensity when you resist what is? Resistance is the opposite of love, it's the opposite of your true nature. This life, the Relative, is the most beautiful, important, meaningful, real existence you will ever know. Has life ever suggested to you otherwise? Insight, healing, growth, connection, this is the Truth you've been searching for. That is Absolute love manifested in the Relative, it's pure unconditional love. The demonization of this existence is one of the biggest blunders in humanity's spiritual development, that we're still recovering from. When we should be encouraging people to be radically authentic, being completely honest with themselves, we instead tell them to suppress the way they feel at the deepest depths of their soul. It breaks my heart seeing people torture themselves because of the dogma of men who lived thousands of years ago. If you completely surrender to love, to unbridled honesty, to authenticity, experiencing the Absolute Void will come effortlessly. Then you can start rapidly spiraling up into a spiritual life you never could've even dreamed of. Let love carry you, it's been waiting to catch you your entire life.

I didn't say the Absolute was peace or bliss, if anything it's the complete opposite. It's love, pure unconditional love.

Agree to disagree.

Just nondual dogma that doesn't really help lead anyone to anything, other than back to millennia old beliefs. Once you get further down the spiritual path, if you open up enough to love, you'll burst into tears for not seeing things with more clarity sooner. The true nature of existence is so magnificent, so important, so grand, that even just witnessing a slice of that Truth for a moment is enough to make the most jaded man weep like a child. This is what Sadhguru is referring to when he talks about having tears of love and ecstasy, and everyone around him having the same tears being the greatest gift he could ever ask for in his life. The true nature of the Relative only starts revealing itself when you've begun to surrender egoic attachment to Absolute Truth. Absolute Truth is what people have always been told leads to the dissolution of the ego. That's why it seems so counterintuitive and paradoxical that clinging to ideology around it is egoic. It's only one step in a much longer journey, that's the whole reason the spiritual traditions of yesterday are so outdated. Jesus was the only one who had a clue, embracing his humanity with his Divinity. But his message has been so distorted and manipulated over the years that almost no Christians even realize he was enlightened, or have any understanding of what enlightenment is. Not to mention what lies beyond enlightenment! The Gnostic Texts is a good example of what was intentionally left out of his message to suit more egoic agendas. Christians are so disconnected from the important of Jesus that they would crucify someone with his exact qualities who went on the news today. They would write him off as a psychotic hippy speaking blasphemy by claiming a connection to God. It's extremely unfortunate that the unconditional love he shared didn't permeate further into the world. That unconditional love is what existence is about. The Absolute Void is pure, infinite love. The Relative is the realm where God, where love, where you, have chosen to express itself. But you've confused being shown where love comes from with what you should care or not care about. But the only point of showing you Absolute Truth is to better equip you to radiate that Truth without hesitation. Because you know where intuition comes from, you know this isn't all just some coincidence. If you've seen Absolute Truth you know there is a power at work that is beyond intellectual understanding. Pushing us towards unity, wholeness, and greater degrees of love. Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen describe the mechanism of love very eloquently here. Importance is the driver of love, otherwise nothing would go in any direction. Evolution is love.

We stand on the shoulders of giants, but that means we stand taller than them. Divine pride is a good thing.

I really appreciate you both being open minded enough to receive this information. This degree of Truth is very difficult to convey and lies at the bleeding edge of spirituality on Earth.

Don't listen to this, it's an extremely unhealthy view. You don't want to lie because you know in your heart it's not right, it doesn't resonate with you at all. You've clearly seen what lying leads to. It leads away from spiritual growth, not towards it. Only lie if it is to save someone from undeserved harm, this is a lie for the highest good of all involved. When we're being completely honest, with both ourselves and others, that's called being authentic. It's what love actually is. When you finally surrender to complete honesty, to the reality that you aren't in control, the world opens a path right in front of you to a life you could've never dreamed of. People say enlightenment is so simple, but this is even more simple than that, and this is usually done after enlightenment, and still even rarely then. You might think the world is going to turn on you if you open up and become completely vulnerable, but it's the complete opposite. The universe quickly removes what doesn't serve you're highest good, and fills your life with everything you need for exponential spiritual growth. This isn't just some feel good saying, this how the existence we're in actually functions. It's a mechanism built into reality to encourage evolution. But people are so terrified of being themselves that they never even try to see what would happen if they were honest for once in their life.

Referring to this sort of explanation of the Absolute Truth, nonduality, and it having more importance than Relative Truth. "Dualistically I agree, of course, but it doesn’t appear you are speaking about duality. You are referencing absolute truth, that all is one, and then conflating it with duality: individuality, purpose, moving beyond, importance, “levels”, duality of existence and not, and God “dealing” in perfection. Individuality does not exist, that is duality, illusion. There would need to be two for there to be uniqueness / individuality. Nothing “exists”, and Nothing does not “exist”. If you can move “beyond” absolute truth, then it is not absolute, and was not the Truth. “Enlightenment is the beginning”, is reference to the illusion. In Truth, there is no beginning, and no illusion." If this doesn't clarify what I'm referring to, one good example is the use of the word illusion to describe the Relative. The Relative is as real as the Absolute, and starting off with terminology that suggest otherwise leads people towards nondual dogma and spiritual stagnation. The Relative is the most beautiful, important, sacred form of existence we will ever have. Some refer to the Relative as a video game, but it's the complete opposite of a game. It's the realest thing we'll ever experience. Individuality ties into this because it does exist, it exists on the deepest levels of existence. The further we get down the spiritual path the more important it is to recognize this if we want to bask in our true nature. If we embraced radical authenticity from the start, we could skip a lot of unnecessary growing pains. It's incorrect that we can't regress down stages in SD, and this becomes very obvious when transitioning from Turquoise to Coral. Children are born in Coral. They are born completely authentic, expressing Divinity with ease. It's why people wish to be children again when they grow up. But when someone is several stages above everyone surrounding them, including the people who control their lives, they regress to the stages their society is at, or worse. Social conditioning beats authenticity out of children. And instead of recognizing this phenomenon, and trying to correct course back to our true nature, we've come up with all of these distortions that keep us away from Truth. This is all to say how important individuality really is, it's where we should be building our spiritual practice from, not moving away from. It's crucial for humanity to have people who recognize the flaws made in even our most advanced spiritual traditions, so that we can start correcting for the future generations to come. The amount of resistance or complete lack of interest such mentions of Truth receive even in spiritual circles, should highlight the severity of egoic dogma that needs to be overcome.

It makes me happy to know you feel the same way. I do want to clarify though, that there is significant differences in the way we're speaking about the needed move towards surrender and love. The focus on nonduality that has been going on for 2000 to 3000 years has inhibited the elevation of human consciousness. It's important to have a more integral approach to Truth, if we want to accelerate the spiritual growth that this world so desperately needs. I hope you understand what I mean. I do appreciate your dedication to love regardless.

Do you honestly not desire to not suffer? I did get offended, and I apologize for that. But I wasn't offended at the nonacceptance of a personal truth, only Divine Truth. Still, I shouldn't have been offended, I still have a few energetic blockages to release.

This is something different than sexual attraction. You're talking about unconditional love. You'd be recognizing her innate beauty, which is something different than sexual attractiveness. There are several levels you can connect with someone, but to have sex with someone you aren't sexually attracted to is inauthentic. Explore the other avenues of connection with that person. If you love them unconditionally, you'll likely find that happens effortlessly. That is unless you have severe psychological issues that need to be addressed first.

I suggest using the diffuser when studying, the mist needs to enter your nose, preferably underneath your head. Just a few minutes is enough. A couple times a day would be ideal. Immune system strengthening, developing discipline, facing fears, different things. I don't take them, I take advantage of warm showers as an easy stress management tool. But it's certainly healthy for you if you want to take on the extra stress.

You're very close. Growth and healing is impossible without suffering. Attachment causes unneeded suffering like you said, but there are other forms of suffering that are simply unavoidable. Certain emotions are suffering, and to live optimally, to grow, they need to be felt fully. And the more advanced you become spiritually, when attachment is no longer an issue, you actually suffer more, not less. Your empathy and unconditional love increase, which causes very intense suffering, because there is much in this world ready to break an open heart. I've referred to this a few times today, but it's just filled with so much Truth that it touches on so many different aspects of life. Note: Where he touches on Buddha finding a way out of suffering is incorrect, Buddha simply stopped seeking Truth after realizing Absolute Truth. He still suffered, he just chose not to increase his suffering through further spiritual development. That point he decided to stop at is the least amount of suffering a human can experience. Which interestingly means he still had egoic desire, the desire to not suffer.

"Though we may live in a relative, conditioned and disharmonious world if we are to be liberated from self suffering then cessation of self suffering is a condition and circumstance of our inner life." You saying 'if we are to be liberated', implies a desire to be liberated from suffering. Maybe you should reflect on being honest with yourself, authenticity. I'm beyond egoic desire, so deflect the lessons you need to learn elsewhere. Someone loves you so they make the effort to show you Truth, and instead of opening up you push them away with more egoic masturbation.

The Truth is people become heavily annoyed with you because you are annoying. It happening with many people you interact with makes this even more clear. You're also overly skeptical, in an unhealthy way. What good comes out of questioning things like this even for yourself, not to mention everyone you interact with? If you realize there isnt truth being portrayed in the media, simply stop watching it. If someone brings up something from the news, it's because they want to talk to you. It means they care enough about you to want to connect with you. And what are you doing when they reach out? You're slapping their hand away, trying to force your skepticism on them. Indulge them since they're not looking for a debate. Show that you care in a way they understand. You've also been jumping through hoops avoiding responsibility for the way you affect others. When the outcome is everyone else's fault, you've completely denied yourself the chance to grow.

You've put yourself in an extremely unhealthy situation, in the future it would be best to place your well being above all else whenever possible. But since you're already here, theres a few things you can do. You need to get more sleep, period. It doesn't matter if you have to study less or not, it's dangerous to live on this much sleep, and you're actually less productive overall than if you got more sleep. You need at least 6 hours of sleep a day. Lavender incense or essential oil helps with relieving stress, reduces anxiety, and calms your mind. When you take showers, don't take cold showers. Warm showers are relaxing and reduce stress, and if you are doing cold showers you can't handle the extra stress right now. If you do all 3 of these things you're quality of life will improve significantly, and even still if you're already taking warm showers. This way you only have to spend an extra 2 hours to improve your situation, because you can use aromatherapy while you're studying.

You're overthinking it, and ending suffering is impossible. The desire to end suffering is an egoic desire, and at higher states of development even this egoic desire falls away.

It should be clarified, enlightenment doesn't end suffering. Buddha said enlightenment ended suffering, but what he should've said is resting in the Absolute ends suffering. Which is to say resting in the Absolute Void, which you can achieve through meditation/Samadhi, will end suffering, but only while you're there. In the Void is nothingness, all sense of self is gone. But if you sat in this state indefinitely, you would die if you weren't hooked up to medical equipment. You come back from that eventually and suffering will be waiting for you when you get back. When Buddha came back from the Void he came back to suffering, he said enlightenment ended suffering to encourage people down the Path, which would certainly reduce their suffering and improve their quality of life. He was deceitful, but for the Higher Good of humanity.

It's very difficult to recognize Coral until you are Coral.

It's through pure authenticity. The better question is what does it mean to be truly authentic? True authenticity is surrendering completely to Truth. What is Truth? Truth is love, God is love, you are love. When you surrender to Truth, you are allowing yourself to become a vessel for Divinity, for unconditional love. Intuition, the desire to grow, the desire to heal, the desire for unity, this is God manifesting the Absolute into the Relative. The Absolute is pure love. Authenticity is allowing God, your true nature, to flow freely from your individuality, for love to flow freely. That's what it means to be Coral. And that's why it is so rare. How can you be authentic as an individual aspect of God in the Relative, when you think the Absolute is where your attention should be? God is trying to manifest love, through the aspect of God called you. You meaning the individual. That's how God expresses itself in the Relative. The whole point of the Relative, is for this exact purpose! I have a list of Coral musicians here that I'll try to update daily.

All you need to know about nonduality is that it is the realization on the highest level you are one with everything. Everything within your experience is you, because you are God. Anything your told beyond this is nondual masturbation. It serves no purpose and only complicates your spiritual growth. The real question is, once you reach the pinnacle of nondual awareness, where do you go from there? That's only the second step of the spiritual path, the first being enlightenment. Most enlightened individuals fall into dogma and stunt their growth by assuming nondual is the finish line of spirituality, when they only just started the race. The real challenge comes in the next step, which is paradoxically integrating the nondual perspective with duality. Ken Wilber touches on this, even though he doesn't fully understand how to do it. Absolute and Relative Truth have to be merged, that's the next step in our evolution. Christ was a good example of these two merging, Buddha is an example of getting stuck in a nondual rut. The Integration of Relative and Absolute Truth is Coral. It's beyond nondual dogma and since some of the best teachings for spiritual development only take one to nondual you have very few that ever reach it. It's probably somewhere around .001% of the population. And reaching Coral is only just the beginning, so don't let yourself get stuck down at what 2000 to 3000 year old books point towards. Considering how many enlightened individuals are stuck behind dogma, it makes it even more difficult for deeper Truth to come out.

What they're saying is nondual masturbation.