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"Both the sun creates order in chaos in our solar system." what does this mean? If God is "a force of nature" isn't that just saying that there is no God? You are putting nature before God, so what is God? Many claim that God is indeed personal and orderly, and not an impersonal chaotic force that has no mind. My question to you is: How does order arise out of chaos? How did you, a personal being with a rational mind, arise from a chaotic impersonal force? Where in your experience does order arise from chaos? Does anything orderly in your experience arise out of chaos? Are you comparing God to a dog?

The reason that none of these teachings are satisfactory is because they are evil. They are not the truth. The reason you are suicidal because of them should be a good indicator that you shouldn't trust them. I was confused and hopeless too, I bought into the non dual perception and acted like I understood the contradictory jargon that non dualists teach, until I got off this forum, and stopped watching non dual youtube videos and started living my life away from it all. After a couple of years I finally found the truth, and the truth is that Jesus Christ is the son of the one and true God, and that he died on the cross for the sins of all. The only way to life, is through him, truly. I was not Christian before, and I didn't grow up in a Christian family. Before I saw the truth I was very skeptical of Jesus and thought religious people were far behind me developmentally - how could they see God as something separate from them, I thought, they obviously haven't had an awakening into "God" consciousness or tried psychedelics... We humans are so arrogant it is amazing, and I was the most arrogant of them all. We love to act like we know everything, but if you humble yourself and come to Jesus, you will find what true knowing is, true wisdom. He grants you access to the truth and to the light, and he protects you against all of these spells that are casted by "gurus" and "non-dual spiritually awakened people." "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits." - Jesus - Matthew 7:15-16. You are not God, and I am not God. If you want to get delivered from all of this devilry and you want to see the light, buy a bible and start reading the eyewitness testimonies Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. God bless you!

Okay, yeah, I think they’ll take all the help they can get. Good for you. All of the best. Good luck! 🙏

If Ralph symbolises other human beings separate from you, then I, in this case, would be Ralph, to you. This would mean that the person behind these words and this account called “traveler,” is merely a concept in your mind, and when you stop focusing on me I cease to exist. Please do not stop focusing on me then! “I’m scared” says Traveler. You are making a dangerous assumption when you compare Ralph to human beings. Yes, Ralph is a concept. No, I am not a concept. I can assure you, I am very separate from you, and I have a whole life totally different from yours. I have a family, I have friends, I had a broken hand and got my cast off a week ago after having it on for 4 weeks. Terrible experience, but I learned a lot. I am going on vacation tomorrow. I’m looking forward to it. I packed my bags today. I just gave my friend some of the food from my fridge, because it would go bad anyway when I’m away. I’m laying in my bed right now. Get out of your head. Touch grass. Get in touch with reality. What got me in touch with reality was Jesus Christ. I’d recommend listening to him.

Please interact with me so I stay alive!

My last post before today was July 2023, before that was 2021. I visit here maybe once every 6 months. It is a valid point, but realise I’m not here to argue, I’m actually trying to help you.

Thank you for your reply. Most of my comment wasn’t aimed directly at you, it was more so a comment on the dangers of the “I’m God” or “No Self” framework that exists on this forum. I had the impulse to go off when I read your topic so I did. I don’t know you personally, and I’m not trying to force you to humble yourself; I’m advising it, to everyone. It is impossible to humble yourself if you think you are the only conscious being alive and everyone else are figments of your imagination though. There has to be something above you, for you to be humble; in many cultures, that is God. Many people are humble enough to put God above themselves. In modern spirituality, inspired by Eastern teachings, we call ourselves God, or this happening - God. That is were the cognitive dissonance and mental illness starts; solipsism >>my experience is the only experience because I can’t proof other people have experiences, which means everyone else are NPC’s and I’m the main character <<, the most arrogant and immature conclusion. By believing that, you are basically saying you are the most important person alive. Even worse; the only one 🤣 Also, I’d just like to put this out there, because as I said; I had problems knowing what was mine and what was others’, and I could never know, because I lived under a paradigm that didn’t distinguish were I ended and other people began. Aaron Daughty’s framework technique won’t help as it attempts to heal the symptom, not the cause. I actually tried that technique; evidence that I suffered from the same thing as you. This is not a personal attack but I got to say; spend enough time on a forum like this and you’ll start making pure nonsense claims like:

Also; I have a hard time believing the whole world is against you, so more accurately I should say: who cares about what you think other people think… Obviously you, now stop being at war with imaginary scenarios.

If you wanna practice yoga, go practice yoga… who cares what other people think? Obviously you, now stop that. It is freeing to realise that people don’t care as much about you as you think they do.

First step is to get off this forum. Spirituality is a dangerous thing. I’ve been far down the rabbit hole, and it never ends. I see people on here that I saw years ago when I was active, still discussing the same topics: “Am I real or not?” “Do others have experiences, or am I the only one?” “Are we all one, or are we not? How can I make this make sense?” It is endless, and it is a dark, dark place to be. You are not God. Yeah, God might appear to be hidden in these words, and this message might be interpreted by you to be written by God. I can assure you it is not written by God, but a 24 year old soon to be 25 year old white man from Denmark. But if you are deep down the rabbit hole enough, that assurance will just look like another trick of “the illusion,” a part of the deceiving nature of “the dream.” 💀 It doesn’t help that this place is ridden with other mentally and spiritually ill people who call themselves God and claim to “not be here” either. 😆 I read someone on here referring to people as lifeless bags. That is very concerning. I’ve had a similar problem with empathy as you. I also had a hard time understanding what were my feelings and what were others'. I also had a hard time making sense of the “we are all one, and we are all God.” I had big “awakening” experiences that somewhat proved this to be the case, so I was out and about, shouting the truth from the rooftops, proving people wrong with my bulletproof truth claims. After all; I’d seen the truth with my own eyes, or so I liked to believe, and make other people believe. The problem was that something felt wrong, off; I felt like something didn’t make sense, but my ego convinced me that I had the answer, I just had to realize it “more fully.” The first step to mental health, love, and happiness, is to realize that YOU are NOT God. God created you. This will humble you. Then, you realize, YOU are NOT all-knowing. This will humble you. Then you realize that you SIN; you’ve hurt others and yourself, but there is one who has never sinned, according to history. This will humble you. Then you stop listening to “spiritual teachers” and “gurus”; wolves in sheep’s clothing, and you start listening to him, and you go to him alone for answers. This will fill your heart with love. You are no longer alone in an unknown, uncaring universe; you live here with people that are just as valuable as yourself, with a steadfast knowledge of right and wrong, and that right is right and wrong is wrong. Slowly, the cognitive dissonance goes away as you wake up from “wake up culture.” You step out of the darkness and into life. You get hope back, real hope. The teachings of “no hope” were the blind leading the blind. Humble yourself before him, and he will save you from this hellhole. I didn’t grow up Christian, I just had the fortunate good sense not to let my spiritual ego and preconceived ideas of Christianity and Jesus hold me back from going to the source document to find out for myself what the man claimed and taught. I’m happy I did that. His teachings are miles ahead of every spiritual teacher or guru I’ve ever listened to, and that includes Adyashanti, Mooji, Eckhart Tolle, Tony Parsons, Leo Gura, Jim Newman, Andreas Müller, Rupert Spira, Gangaji, Papaji, and the list goes on.

Look for yourself. There is nothing. Here are words appearing out of that. Here is a screen appearing out of that. Here is the mind trying to understand it. Here is the mind applying language in an attempt to communicate it. How can you communicate nothing, when language is invented to communicate something? It is a dead end. Every teaching you listen to, and every string of words you read, that tries to communicate nothing/everything, is what you are looking for, acting as if it is not. I haven't been on this forum for a couple of years, I just had an impulse to check out what is going on here. I see people from back then still spouting nonsense till this day. No one can really tell you what to do. I can't say that you should leave this forum and forget about all of this, because chances are you can't. I couldn't, until I did. But this is a dead end, and it will always be. Life doesn't come with a manual, you just have to live it. Every person on here is sitting behind a phone screen or computer screen typing in words, and some will think it means something. Some person could say "there is no one here, there is no one typing," alright, but if I tracked your IP address and flew to your house and shouted your name from outside your window. You would stop writing, get up out of your bed and look outside your window. I would then continue to provoke you to come outside, and we would have a street fight right then and there. Then, after I won, I would go inside your house, go to actualized.org on your computer and send a GIF of a monkey dancing to Leo with a link to this song: Then he would reach full enlightenment and we would all be saved!

It’s rational until you step outside of the cloudy haze called fear. With all the fear mongering news that people are bombarded with and freely consume on a daily basis, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that peoples perception of the threat level is totally skewed. Most don’t even do their own research, they just listen to the news and read click bait fear inducing articles without looking further into the matter.

I can actually do almost all of those things without having the vaccine, minus going to clubs which I don't anyway. Luckily it's not as extreme in Denmark as it is in other countries. This does not really apply to anything I've said, so I can't comment on that. Don't really get where you stand.

There has been an increase of young people getting heart related conditions (myocarditis and pericarditis) after getting the vaccine. Medical whistleblowers have claimed that the number of heart related cases are much higher than what is reported by health organizations. This is a risk not worth taking, imo.

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Lmao this can’t be real

“Me” criticising a character called “Leo” is still supreme energy appearing in that form. You start of by stating there is a “fundamental problem here” and end with “There is no problem.” There is indeed no problem here, energy appearing as a critique of Leo is not fundamentally a problem. It arises freely and does not disturb anything.

Appearances are not recorded and stored in eternity's infinite database. All appearance is infinitely unique and empty of substance and reality. It appears and disappears in the same instant. It is "uncapturable"; without reality. So what is happening is simultaneously happening and not happening, it appears to happen but there is no solidity to verify it's existence as "something," no seperation to compare it to. This is just absolutely random and chaotic happening. There is nobody behind it steering it, making it happen.

Sometimes it is very obvious that there is no seperate self, but other times you have to be reminded of the seperate self that isn't there to get that hit/fix of realization. The addiction is actually in wanting to know/see that there is no seperate self, or wanting to know that what is is okay. This search has everything to do with "the dream" and nothing to do with enlightenment. Nothing has anything to do with enlightenment, nothing can be said. Just "enlightenment" Full stop, no description. Every thought that comes after this, are just thoughts. A conclusion in form of a thought might arise and say "oh, yes I see, it is this, it is silence, there is no person" and that is the addiction to knowing that fills/hides silence/emptiness/enlightenment.

Yes, It is okay.

I have a hard time conversing with other people as I now have nothing in common with their way of thought. When I look into the eyes of other people, especially people I'm close with (my parents, the few friends I have left), I feel like there is this invisible thing between our gazing that makes it uncomfortable and unfulfilling to interact with them. I'm not sure if it's the big difference in mind states that create this gap, or if it's the judgements and expectations they have of me and I maybe have of them. I find myself seeking alone time a lot, I almost only talk with my parents as I haven't had a job in a long time. These are always really shallow and unfulfilling conversations though. I haven't had real social interactions in a long time, and find myself getting anxious just of the thought of talking with the cashier at the shop. These are not feelings on inferiority and I'm very aware of these thoughts when they come up. I have lost friends, as I have a hard time participating in ego talk. I feel unfulfilled, and that is probably because of the little ego I have left, but It feels like the only positive thing that have come from my awakening experience, was the experience itself. After that I have been living a pretty unfulfilling and detached life. While I write these things I'm aware that all these problems are illusions made up by the ego, that they aren't real, but I always find myself in that loop. Having these problems, then realizing they aren't real and that it is my ego that is speaking and creating all of these problems which gives me some sort of relief for a very short time, then falling into ego again, and so on. When I read posts on this forum it doesn't seem like that many people are fulfilled, but that is just my interpretation of the things I read on here. I would like to now if you are fulfilled? Please be honest. I would also like to know If you have found yourself being more disconnected than connected in the stages after awakening? Also does anybody else find themselves in the same kind of loop, that I mentioned?

Or go through intense awakenings before they get the desire to sleep.

I tried to speak "truth" to one of my friends a long time ago, he had not awoken before.. then when "we" actually realized God in a split second glimpse together, it was terrifying. It was an undeniable recognition of the truth behind the veil, but none of us acknowledged it because it was too real. You can talk about this as much as you want, and you can try to awaken others and act special and all. But when you really awaken, there is no you and him anymore, there is just God. Then you realize how big of a fool you actually were, to think you were more or less awakened than the fool from the bar. I would probably be annoyed if you came into a bar and talked all of this spiritual nonsense. Words are energy. You trying to win an argument with your spiritual crap is the exact same energy as him with his conspiracy crap.

This plane of existence where we live in time and space is not in time and space. We can disappear forever and come back to where we were to begin with, in time. "Forever" doesn't exist in infinity, unless "forever" is identical to infinity. You have to have a concept of time and of being alive for a "forever" to exist. Forever is right now, this is forever, and if you disappeared forever, were you ever really there? Maybe it is backwards: you made forever disappear. The separate me is afraid of dying, when it dies there is no problem, but when it resurrects, oh you bet ya it is going to make a fuss about it. There is no one here, right now, this is the glimpse. The glimpse is a glimpse in to what always is, and this is it.

I was sure I would die or go crazy many times, but never did. I was sure I was going to leave my body and merge into an infinite spiral, but never did. I was 18 when this started happening, I had no clue how to handle it. And I didn't. I didn't handle it, but I sure tried too. It ran its course. Many days, months, years of suffering, trying to escape. Couldn't. No lasting answer from any Guru, teacher or speaker. Fatigued from seeking and doing. Nothing left. No possibilities for escape, totally hopeless. Helpful? No. There is no prescription here, no advice. This will mean nothing to the sufferer but: Suffering is infinite love. We suffer in time, so it feels never-ending. Time feels longer than eternity, after all time is eternity. When we in time wake up from time, we are met with the most beautiful realization. Our whole life was a divine love song. All of our suffering was Love, and we are grateful for all of our suffering. We love it. The suffering feels real, and the fact that it feels real is what is so fucking beautiful about it.