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I think we derailed this thread enough. PM me.

@mandyjw I'm sensing the collective female trauma incoming. No, we don't have this figured out. It all works until it doesn't and we suffer to wisen up.

What can I do for you? Do you have any questions?

Oh yeah. She absolutely loves and yearns it. I'm just not too fond of the Titanic sinking in the background, that's all.

I want to help you because I can see myself in you. I want to spare you my own suffering. Still, I know that I wouldn't have listened to myself when I was your age. Just please take good care of yourself. Love yourself. Don't make yourself suffer any more than you absolutely have to.

You're both incurable romantics. There is a reason why romantic love stories end in death of tuberculosis instead of 'they lived happily ever after'.

Hahahaha

...and that story is what makes you suffer. Like I said in the beginning: only your own suffering can cure you. You just haven't suffered enough to give up. Don't worry, you will get there. You're on the right track.

The solution is: stop obsessing about having sex. Give that shit up. Are you involuntarily celibate? Start being voluntarily celibate and reap the benefits. Still your monkey mind that keeps bringing your failures up, start meditating regularly. Focus on things that will serve you 15 years from now instead of focusing on what has been happening for the past 15 years. When you're successful and happy, girls will find their way into your bedroom if that's what you want. I'm glad that you've calmed down a little. You will get through this whether you like it or not.

God fucking damnit, why do we have to do this?

You're 20. None of this will matter in 10 years from now. All you will remember is the fact that you suffered tremendously because of lack of perspective. Loving yourself as an 'objectively ugly person' means that you simply do not do stupid shit that makes you suffer. The list of stupid shit starts with calling yourself an 'objectively ugly person' and hanging around people that do. That includes incel communities and hot girls that make your dick hard and your mind soft. In the meantime, you cure the porn addiction that you likely developed and gain some perspective on what's truly important in your life. When you get the two straight and start doing what matters to you, this is the proper place to start thinking about women. Truth is always simple. Do you need to hear my sob story to take care of your suffering?

No, I'm just saying your thoughts out loud. We all suffer because of reasons we chose for ourselves.

How could anybody ever be in your shoes, @arlin?

@arlin Is there anything I can do to make you feel better?

I'm not saying that your experience is bullshit. I can't point your bullshit out to you, you can only do it yourself and you haven't suffered enough just yet.

This is exactly how hurt you are. Keep doing that and you will lose your shit one day.

Remember that you can only observe people that interact. Willingness to compete, argue, change are masculine traits. I do not think that convincing women to bravely wave the flag is the way to go. We don't need women that are masculine. We need men that make space for femininity. You cannot elbow this space into existence by pointing fingers at men that misbehave because that only stirs the pot. The MGTOW/Redpill/Incel men are just hurt, but not hurt enough to wisen up. That's why they're boiling themselves alive.

This is awesome. Thank you for sharing and good luck! ? Quick Google didn't show up anything on your technique (bi-lateral symmetry). Do you mind sharing any resources?

If I may suggest something: problems that persist and are seemingly unsolvable are usually a form of codependece that can be fixed by changing either of the two parties involved.

It's alright. Would you mind writing something more about what it means to you to be in touch with your heart? I just watched Leo's latest video about survival and I think that the movie can be treated as an artistic expression of what he was saying. For the past day my heart chakra was hyper active and I feel much more in touch with my body. If the mind speaks in words, the heart speaks in movement. My own facial expressions and gestures are like a second stream of understanding that goes unnoticed because I don't know how to read the language from the first person perspective. I need to read myself from these videos and expand my awareness to accommodate this stream.

@Zigzag Idiot I appreciate your commentary on the I-ching. Didn't have a reading in a while. I never studied the Bible in any serious way, but the original sin in relation to nakedness always struck me as a metaphor for awakening from spiritual sleep.