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The existence of your mom and your dad is contingent on other things, and ultimately upon Truth. They do not exist independently, but they are ignorant (they ignore) of this fact. This blindness to the nature of truth allows them to be the truth. The truth within truth. This is the trick that allows them to be the creation and create their own, independent creations. Ignorance is the key component of this brilliance. Knowing how to live your life as an enlightened human being. Recognizing the divine spark within all creation and paying its due respect without abandoning your intellect.

@Truth Addict See? Daddy talks about about the truth! Woof! Yes yes yes YES! Y E S! I'm sure that I read exactly what I wanted to read. Great post man.

There is not a single thing in your existence that can be disposed of.

Why not communicate power instead? This is now getting too silly and I have plenty of that in the company of my own ego. Good day to you.

What is the point of having a mind that broken open to the point where no paradigm can lock you, if you cannot see anything behind those paradigms to communicate? The world is orderly and this order is not bound by human thought or paradigms. Power is grounded in freedom, freedom is not grounded in power. If you cannot see that, then there is nothing more to discuss. You are committing a pre/post fallacy. Your mind is broken open, your heart or belly is not. The world has order and meaning that is not bound by thoughts. Being free from thoughts captivity is the place from which you may see it.

Thank you, it hits home. I wrote an essay describing that cycle from the point of view of a drop of water that when I was a third-grader.

Which means that love is more fundamental than power. Notice that this is a hierarchy. It is not merely a linguistic game - this is how the world works. You can parent your child with power and you can parent your child with love. Which way is far superior? The problem with your understanding is that you frame your relationship as fundamentally equal, as if there were nothing else on top of love. You can exert your power upon your child, but your child can't exert its power on you if you're not willing to yield. That makes the two of you fundamentally different despite your choice to be a loving parent. That does not mean that you are better than your child, it means that you are more capable and choose to burden yourself with the responsibility to take care of it. That is the hierarchy of consciousness. This letting go of power as an expression of your free will is to burden yourself with responsibility for others and take their suffering upon yourself. That is the spiritual practice that is taught by Christianity and is embodied by Jesus. It is symbolized by the four nails that pin his limbs to the cross. You can choose this path of rejection of power only if you have power to begin with. That is why Christians reject the idea of dissolution of ego through meditation etc. If you don't have the power to give up, it's just spiritual bypassing. Jesus was an insanely powerful occultist. The one that is above serves the one that is below, the one that is below obeys the one that is above.

I'm going to say it until it clicks with you, alright? Freedom is at the bottom of power. Freedom underlies power. Power is grounded in freedom. Without freedom, power would be impossible. The opposite is not true. There is a hierarchy between power and freedom and this hierarchy is not based on human perception. Repeating myself again, Woof! All power is grounded in freedom. Without freedom there would be no power. Without absolute freedom, there would be no relative freedom. Yet another solipsistic perception. I was stuck conflating the relative with the absolute for a very long time. The fact that the relative and the absolute are one does not invalidate the relative. The relative world exists. And yet, God/devil has created the ego that deludes itself in its finitude. This ego is important. It is important what you think and what kind of person you are. If you claim otherwise, this is a form of spiritual bypassing. Being an ego that is doing its best to be a good ego is better than being an ego that is indifferent towards itself. Egoic suffering and the release of it is a genuine form of spiritual practice. The ego is what allows you to experience God and have a personal as well as transpersonal relationship with it.

The posts are getting long and I've grown tired of this conversation, so I'm going to make this as short as possible. I am not denying the existence of power and its place in the relative world. What I am saying is that freedom is what underlies power and you can relate to freedom directly to establish hierarchies. This very conversation is based on power only indirectly. We may argue, but the underlying incentive is to open up (free) the limited mind of the other person. No. Saying that world is what it is, means that the relative world is in a certain way. You may shift perspectives all you want, but you won't shift out of the need to feed your body if you intend to live. You may also convince yourself that you are less conscious than your dog, but that only proves your genius. Hierarchies exist within the relative world and they do not originate in the person's mind. The world is only absolutely relative for a solipsist.

No. The world is what it is. What it could possibly be is irrelevant. Dogs aren't more powerful/smarter (or rather, more conscious) than humans and that is the fact your absolutely relative ego has trouble coping with. You may claim that hierarchies of consciousness (not power) are hierarchies of dominance, but that simply means that you are alienated from life. You, as a factually more evolved ego, that has greater capability than dogs, can take upon yourself a responsibility towards them. Yes, dogs can take care of themselves and they wouldn't need your help if there were no humans, BUT THERE ARE HUMANS AND THAT IS A FACT YOU'VE BEEN BORN INTO! By taking this responsibility, you are taking the mantle of a servant towards something that is lower than you. Power, even if it is used, IS NOT THE BASIS FOR THIS RELATIONSHIP. Your choice is. You can be the shepherd of this world simply because you are more conscious than other beings and this possibility becomes a necessity at a certain point in development of the ego. You need a more evolved understanding of ownership you brute . The dog does not care about your desire for connection, but you do. Your ego is just another being among other beings that needs to be cared for. The dog also has needs that even it itself is not conscious of. That does not mean that it does not suffer because of those needs and it does not mean that you should not care about them. Turning away from your aunt's request hurts your aunt, hurts the dog and hurts you. It is an act aimed to preserve your passive attitude towards life and rejects your human spirit, which is bound to your ego (its fragility). It is not your power and it is not the basis of your relationship. The ego the thing that gets you to truth. Woof! Woof!

@Jkris The way I see it, enlightenment is not merely an inner game. It is something that occurs when the 'objective' circumstances relating to survival are met. While it is certainly possible to get it through rejection of life, that kind of realization is incomplete (it is through negation, not affirmation). Monks in monasteries meet these criteria and their discipline is the cohesive that keeps it in place. For an enlightened householder, I would expect the inner peace to be something that is instantly re-established after being disturbed. The things that would disturb an enlightened householder's peace would also be different from what a regular person finds disturbing (motivations, sphere of concern, etc).

There are days when I'm having so many mind-blowing realizations that I find it impossible to write them down in the journal. There are also days when I'm lost in peculiarities of everyday life and suffer because I shoulder the responsibility for all of the world's problems. That is usually when I forget that I really am amazing and suffer because I want to be better than I already am. Ego in its finitude is just absurd. Woof! I feel like everything I'm saying about the world, all of my deepest understanding turns to ash in my mouth. That does not, however, going to stop me from speaking any longer.

Hey Leo, my question is: Why is it important for us, egos, to blind ourselves to absolute love through survival? What purpose, function, does this blinding serve from the "point of view" of absolute love? How does this blinding serve the egos and absolute love itself?

Equating attention with narcissism? I am very sorry for your ego, man . You are an ego. The story you live out is important, and you are important too. The meta-narrative you're providing is no more valid than living out the story of being a loving person from the point of view of the absolute. Your aunt that is dying of cancer gave you the dog you've been playing with as a child. That dog has been severely mistreated and can't function properly among humans. You don't need that dog for anything because it so happens that you are a functioning, but lonely individual. Don't talk about other people. It's your dog. You are not talking about anything. You are playing neti-neti with me. Talk, for once. Woof!

Fortunately, when it comes to absolute truth - there is an end to seeking.

Don't give me that, you know a lot about me, I've been around for a while. Why don't you give me your best shot at describing truth for a change? It's easier to hide behind smoke screens and deny the stories of others. I know from experience. Any hierarchy that is built based on difference in consciousness. For example: you teaching your dog to navigate the human world safely. While it is certainly true that it may be necessary to resort to force in extreme situations, the force is a mean of communication and not the basis of hierarchy. The dog could easily kill you, but it isn't conscious of this possibility if it has been raised in captivity. You on the other hand teach the dog out of concern for its safety despite its misbehavior. You serve, it obeys and yet - you are equals despite being different and both of you preserve your dignity. And yes, the dog teaches you how to teach it, but it is not the point of the teaching. You could do pretty damn well without this knowledge, but the dog wouldn't. If it is the main paradigm from which the ego operates, it can easily become pathological. Even if your animal instincts kick in when you are in immediate threat and won't get yourself killed, it has the potential to create a lot of psychological distress and decline the quality of your life. It is true that disidentification from negative emotions is a great skill, but it is even better if one can prevent them by solving problems for the benefit of everybody involved. That requires active effort.

Thank you. Did realizing that open up the possibility for trust instead? Vulnerability and surrender are important, but sometimes you need to do the right thing. Pretending like everybody is absolutely equal denies that possibility, or at least creates a lot of inner conflict.

Why are you afraid of me?

I was just baring my throat.

You are very preoccupied with the fact that I'm 'creating dualities'. My suspicion is that you're trying to show to me that egos do that and therefore I am an ego. Bingo. You are an ego too and it is not an insult. Nondual truth cannot be communicated by creating dualities, but dualities can show you something you don't understand. It's like dropping a stone into a well and hearing no splash. Did you hear the splash of my post? That is not a difference. The idea that one can love people only if there are no ranks or hierarchies is mistaken. The one that is above serves the one that is below, the one that is below obeys the one that is above. You only think that because you think that all hierarchies are established through power and dominance. They are not. The absolute relativism you're swimming in leads to passivity. You can do things for the benefit of others despite their protests. I will ?. This comes right back to your passivity in absolute relativism. The end of the path is not a negation. Once you've negated all worldviews and doubted everything - you are exactly the right person to notice something undoubtable.

I'm sorry. It was very irresponsible of me. I'm blaming myself because I should have foreseen the consequences even if I didn't know any better. You, as the ego, do not stop in stillness for the sake of being still. You do so because you are enchanted with what you see. The contact with the Divine is like that. Even if Ego dies, it returns revitalized. You're defending your love from an imaginary adversary. Take your love and go for God, but God ain't it despite how amazing love is. There are cutthroat egos and there are loving egos, but enlightenment isn't that.

No. By talking to someone I can tell his blind spots, so can you. If that weren't the case, development wouldn't be possible. For example, your blind spot is that you are a solipsist. Enlightenment is not random, but people/egos don't cause it. Going through it feels like the whole world was precisely engineered for this very moment when you realize it. You feel like the chosen one, but you have given up everything that is special about you already. That is why it is called grace, but it is grace that is given to you from yourself because you can't distinguish yourself from the world. No. God does not use power to control what is already present. God has used his omnipotence to create the world out of love and this very love is the law that it obeys. It took its own power away in the act of creation. God's authority is freedom. It is up to you seek it and to recognize it. Seeing it is so difficult precisely because it is so fundamental that it is unthinkable for the truth to not be. Nonduality is not a philosophy of connection between beings. It is not a moral imperative to be a good person. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the two of you, you are some of the best people that I know of. Keep being that person, we need more of you. That isn't, however, enlightenment. Recognizing that fact lets you seek somewhere else, without losing what you already are. That is the most profound thing about God. God is more you that you are yourself. Seeking it only enhances you.

That is why there should be teachers teaching other teachers. There are people that find 'you're not conscious enough' triggering and there are those that don't. If the chasm between the teacher and a student is too great, religions get started. See: Jesus.

Say what you have to say clearly. And what does Mandy think?

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