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@Faceless @Sevi @Arkandeus Now I understand. Answering questions is not an answer. Thank you for bringing me back to this place.

How to understand understanding? Why thoughts think? Why why?

It is strange how you speak of not making distinctions while talking about 'time' and 'center' and their relation to each other. Language is a strange thing indeed. You will have to tell me more about this relation, as I'm not familiar with your personal philosophy of timelessness. I may be aware of things you speak about, but my words for these concepts may be different and we will miss each other. I remember talking about these things with you in the past ( ), but what you say now seems more nuanced, so I'm not sure that I understand you.

If methodology for understanding understanding was different from understanding 'things', then it would imply that it 'lies' in another realm of being than ordinary things that are subject to it. We would then have two different kinds of understanding: the one for understanding things and the other for understanding understanding. I think that it's a big problem for self-actualization. Aren't we trying to understand ourselves here? How do we suppose to achieve that if we have different kinds of understanding for different kinds of beings? How are we supposed to understand ourselves if we can't even understand what we're trying to do? I'm posting to find my own stupidity. Ignorance. Dumbness. Writing your thoughts down and really trying to see how stupid they are is not a waste of time. I do not have a position to defend. I genuinely don't know. Writing my thoughts down helps me clarify and understand my position so that I can transcend it. It is how I grow. Yes, but I don't think that it is more important than knowledge. Let me explain: I'm a mechanical engineer. Understanding how things work keeps me fed and clothed. The problem is that if I understand too much, I'm blind to things that never happened before. I never know what I don't know. Knowing is important, but so is openness to novelty, Calling this feeling of not-knowing surprise may have not been the best move. Sometimes it's fear. Sometimes it's surprise. Sometimes it's curiosity. Sometimes it's anger. When I don't know things happen. Things that I couldn't have foreseen. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad. I prefer not to make such distinctions. Here, have a flower:

@Sevi The only thing that I know about understanding is that it results in knowledge/experience/memory. What these are is in direct experience is simply lack of surprise that a certain occurrence happened. It is the root of obviousness and normality of everyday situations. Knowledge/experience/memory is unawareness of novelty. It is unattentiveness to what is. To understand understanding is to make it obvious, unattractive for the mind. Understanding does not come from observation. it is a spontaneous shift that lets you act (speak, think, do, interact, etc). With understanding, inaction stops. Direction is known.

Haha, that's a good one. To think that you can stop thinking. Nice. Thanks! What do I win?

In my direct experience there is no difference between yes and no, so I'm unable to answer.

I honestly don't know how to answer such a question. Without thought I don't know what time is. The moment I stop thinking, there is even no now.

@who chit Huh, I just understood that you asked a 'When when?'.

@who chit I know the answers! There is no next now. Now is all there is. The problem with such formulation of this phenomenon is that there is no point in discussing it once there is nothing to contrast it against. You need yang to see yin. There is no past. The past is made of memories. Memories are indistinguishable from plans/fantasies. Future is made of fantasies. The difference between memories and plans is that memories are true, and fantasies are possible. The difference collapses when you notice that when you plan, you live plans as you make them up. You are them. They are true, now. You can also notice that memories are questionable. They are also only possible in the sense that you don't really know what happened. They happen now. The real question is what is a perception? Your question arises from perceiving a perception. Perception became self-referential. These questions are linked. Asking about the future of now is a strange thing to do. Now is all there is.

@Arkandeus I really like your answer. You say that the point of questions is enjoyment. Don't all questions come down to one proto-question: what is the point of something? Where does it lead? The problem starts when you ask: what is the point of having a point? This is the moment when questions become self-aware, like we are. Am I the understanding of things? Can I not understand myself? Do I understand things that are whatever they are, or is it that all there is is what I understand? Or is it both, at the same time?

Are you saying that instead of 'Why why?' it should be 'Where where?' Interesting. Isn't it the same question?

@Ether A map is yet another clue. How do you know that the map is correct unless you walk it? When you walk it and it proves to be incorrect - how do you know that you didn't take a wrong turn? How many walks does it take it for you to get pissed at it and find yourself a new map? How many pissing off does it take you to decide that your temper is too short for this maze? There is no exit. The only exit you can get is to appreciate the gruesome beauty of this maze. Sit down and be content with it. We call it meditation. Did I mention the Minotaur?

Well then, read on. You found yourself in a maze. You are trying to get out, looking for an exit. The maze has clues. Many of them mention God. You know that God must be another clue, so you try to solve it and know the Truth. The secret to the maze is that 'exit' you seek is yet another clue! Solving riddles is just SO FUN! There is no exit. The maze is all there is. Clues are things that keep you occupied while you wander it. The funny thing is that you are the one that plant them! You are the thing that makes the maze a perfect contraption. You know EXACTLY what clue to place so that you find it interesting. Irresistible. Go ahead, chase your own tail. It's fun. There were many answers in this thread. Read them carefully to see the other people's mazes.

Only if you're certain that you know how to read. Are you?

How would you know that another person's answers are the truth? Words are symbolic. They refer to something that they are not. How would you know that your understanding of my words is the same as my understanding of my words?

Why do you need other people's answers?

Why Doesn't God God? Why Doesn't Existence Exist?

Are you going mad, or are you starting to notice our inherent madness? You are right to fear your reflection. God only knows what you may see if you look closely enough...

@yasaidasai You have a very rich imagination. Have you ever tried to draw your fears? You are scaring yourself. What do you need that fear for? What do you need that answer for? It is not useful in attaining any goal.

Your trust in your thought-stories about absolute infinity is what makes your neurosis and anxiety worse.

@SolaceThis post is more directed to myself than to you, as I somewhat agree and disagree with what you've written. Inauthenticity of other people has been a big struggle for me my entire life until... I understood how to be authentic myself. Suddenly, a whole bunch of unexpected people opened up to me and it was a really humbling experience. There are a few points that I came to understand through my experience: Your perception of inauthenticity is exactly that - a perception. The other person is what he/she is. It is you who is being suspicious of their ulterior motive, or self-agenda. What is your self-agenda for judging other people? Inconsistency is not a measure of authenticity. It is perfectly possible to love and hate a person at the same time. Emotions are not logical sentences and seeming contradictions are within your interpretation of emotions, not in emotions themselves. Emotions are, what they are and they are not bound by your understanding of them, or words that you associate with them. You are every bit as fake as people you perceive as fake, or perhaps even worse. You deny your masks. What is the facial expression you make as you evaluate other people's faces? It is a mask of stone. You are being judgmental. There is no other person beneath the mask you are facing. This person IS this mask. You are made of such masks yourself, but you are not aware of them. Your default mask is the mask of judgement that is blind to itself. Grow up. Sorry if that seemed harsh. Like I said - I'm not sharing wisdom, but looking for my ignorance.

No, sorry. It is not compatible with my personal understanding of nonduality. From what I understand from your post, you are trying to validate your cosmology. If you don't free yourself from assumptions of what reality is, you cannot see it properly. Reality simply is. There is no understanding of it other than raw awe. It cannot be explained with a story. Why do you need to explain us? Why do we need to be transcendent beings that cannot 'expire'? This wordy chain of cause and effect is ego talk. You should contemplate its importance to process your emotions, but it is not the answer. At least I think so, while I produce this story.

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